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Re: Climate protesting tossers
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Because they're the real polluters.
My point is, if they want to make a noise, take on the real polluting countries not ours , fly into China, Russia or India ,they won't though as they know what they will get (and it won't be softly, softly policing )
They pay the wages of the people who make policy here in this country. What business do they have protesting in China or Russia?
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William Treseder
I’d say the main reason the poll tax was scrapped, was the sheer volume of numbers who refused to pay it.
well observed and a fact
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Eric Cartman
They pay the wages of the people who make policy here in this country. What business do they have protesting in China or Russia?
We've had a 16 year old Swedish woman who has been speaking out in London, Rome and I believe a number of other cities. We've heard of a woman from L.A. travelling over.
If people believe in Globalisation, which personally I don't believe is ultimately a good thing, then ultimately they 'should' by right be able to protest where the worst protagonists are.
It's not as though the pollution from China or Russia or USA or any country doesn't affect the rest of the world.
We all have a duty to try enforce change, but for change to happen, we the consumers have to make compromises in the way we buy, spend, and dispose. We need to change our shopping habits.
Brazil's new president is actively encouraging Amazonian deforestation in the name of economic growth. Why, because of Western gluttony.
Just step back in time and look at how things were 40 to 50 years ago.
There were different forms of pollution from coal, etc...
The number of cars have dramatically increased, the number of trips abroad, the number of flights all around the world massively increased. The use of plastics and polystyrene in all sorts of packaging from multi pack foods that most families throw away to the insatiable consumption of electrical goods, along with the throwaway society that we have become.
We have to play our part and demand the supermarkets reduce ALL packaging to its absolute minimum, food and electrical manufacturers to reduce their packaging, to buy what we need rather than what we see as 'keeping up with the Joneses'.
The mugs who are the paying public, pay their 5 or 10p for carrier bags that advertise the supermarkets, yet with their billion £ profits, they could invest in the technology that would create biodegradable single use bags that they should give for free.
In California, a number of the large stores use recycled strong paper bags, that are then able to be recycled again.
A lot of the rubbish from the utter crap food outlets such as McDonald's is just thrown on the floor or out of consumer's cars, because they're too lazy to walk a few yards to throw in a bin. Their bins could be improved with what they claim to be food waste, plastic and paper/cardboard waste in seperate bins.
The corporates get away with so much and we keep feeding their profits without thought or conscience.
The throwaway of sweatshop bought clothing, because 'we can' afford to do so, yet many who do throw away so much, don't spare a thought for the good causes where that money could be better spent.
We need to empower our Government's to act against these and to enact many other changes for the better of our country and our world.
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Re: Climate protesting tossers
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Because they're the real polluters.
My point is, if they want to make a noise, take on the real polluting countries not ours , fly into China, Russia or India ,they won't though as they know what they will get (and it won't be softly, softly policing )
It may seem unfair to some developing countries that pollution is being clamped down on when other countries already have the advantage of their industrial revolutions and reaped the benefits accordingly - although we know that something has to be done, of course.
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Taunton Blue Genie
It may seem unfair to some developing countries that pollution is being clamped down on when other countries already have the advantage of their industrial revolutions and reaped the benefits accordingly - although we know that something has to be done, of course.
Developing countries?, China, Russia, India are nuclear powers and are key space race powers, I do get what you are saying but these countries have enough wealth to be putting their wealth to making this earth a better place. I don't think its unfair at all to clamp down on China India and Russia.
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Everyone knows China et al need to do more for climate change. I don’t know why this is seen as a legitimate argument against those thinking the also U.K. needs to do something.
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Re: Climate protesting tossers
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Croesy Blue
Everyone knows China et al need to do more for climate change. I don’t know why this is seen as a legitimate argument against those thinking the also U.K. needs to do something.
The UK produces about 1% of global CO2 and that amount is falling quite quickly, year on year
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47121399
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Even if we in the UK reduce our CO2 emissions to zero it would have a vanishingly minuscule effect on “climate change”.
Therefore these protests are a mix of virtue signalling and pissing in the wind.
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The UK’s population is 4% of China’s though. So again I don’t see why getting the U.K. to improve its carbon emissions is a bad thing.
Everyone knows China needs to improve but so does every country.
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Re: Climate protesting tossers
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Croesy Blue
The UK’s population is 4% of China’s though. So again I don’t see why getting the U.K. to improve its carbon emissions is a bad thing.
Everyone knows China needs to improve but so does every country.
Why would China bow to anyone elses pressure if those countries aren't making big changes and improvements themselves?
We can't all pass the buck. Climate change, or "climate change", needs everyone mucking in.
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lardy
Why would China bow to anyone elses pressure if those countries aren't making big changes and improvements themselves?
We can't all pass the buck. Climate change, or "climate change", needs everyone mucking in.
The UK has made big changes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47121399
Do you agree with all three demands of the Extinction Rebellion group?
https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/
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Im not sure how feasible they are but they’re good aims.
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Re: Climate protesting tossers
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Originally Posted by
severncity
We've made changes, arguable whether they're big enough. From that article:
"Overall, the UK has a target of cutting CO2 emissions 80% by 2050. Ministers are on track to meet their short-term goals, but the advisory Committee on Climate Change (CCC) says they are still short of policies to achieve long-term targets.
The CCC warns there’s also a big difference between the current UK target of 80% cuts and the increased ambition of virtually 100% cuts that ministers are likely to embrace."
Demands 1 and 2 seem fair. Not sure what 3 involves.
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lardy
We've made changes, arguable whether they're big enough. From that article:
"Overall, the UK has a target of cutting CO2 emissions 80% by 2050. Ministers are on track to meet their short-term goals, but the advisory Committee on Climate Change (CCC) says they are still short of policies to achieve long-term targets.
The CCC warns there’s also a big difference between the current UK target of 80% cuts and the increased ambition of virtually 100% cuts that ministers are likely to embrace."
Demands 1 and 2 seem fair. Not sure what 3 involves.
So for Demand 2 - reducing carbon emissions to net zero by 2025 - the UK would have to either cut all carbon emissions or cut some and offset the rest within six years. How will this be achieved? There are no firm, achievable policies being proposed as far as I know.
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severncity
So for Demand 2 - reducing carbon emissions to net zero by 2025 - the UK would have to either cut all carbon emissions or cut some and offset the rest within six years. How will this be achieved? There are no firm, achievable policies being proposed as far as I know.
That’s their job not ours isn’t it? They must have an idea if they’re planning on cutting it to 80% by 2050.
I assume all fossil fuel power stations replaced by nuclear and renewables is a start.
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Croesy Blue
That’s their job not ours isn’t it? They must have an idea if they’re planning on cutting it to 80% by 2050.
I assume all fossil fuel power stations replaced by nuclear and renewables is a start.
That’s whose job? You’ve lost me there. And reducing something to zero in 6 years sounds a lot less achievable than cutting something to 20% in 31 years.
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Re: Climate protesting tossers
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severncity
So for Demand 2 - reducing carbon emissions to net zero by 2025 - the UK would have to either cut all carbon emissions or cut some and offset the rest within six years. How will this be achieved? There are no firm, achievable policies being proposed as far as I know.
You asked if I agreed. The UN said the world needs rapid and unprecedented action, that's what this is.
How to do it? Don't know, that's the problem but if we're working in that direction, as you say we are, then we need to continue but more quickly. I doubt we will as it's not a vote winner.
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severncity
That’s whose job? You’ve lost me there. And reducing something to zero in 6 years sounds a lot less achievable than cutting something to 20% in 31 years.
The governments job. They’re cutting it by 80% in 31 years. I’m sure it is a lot harder to achieve, does that mean they shouldn’t try?
When a protest has a demand they don’t expect them to definitely all be met, but ask for extreme things because it’s likely a compromise will be made.
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Croesy Blue
The governments job. They’re cutting it by 80% in 31 years. I’m sure it is a lot harder to achieve, does that mean they shouldn’t try?
When a protest has a demand they don’t expect them to definitely all be met, but ask for extreme things because it’s likely a compromise will be made.
Ok so you’re as clueless as to how this demand will be met as I am - or the virtue-signalling buffoons who think that getting arrested to save Gaia is cool or productive.
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severncity
Ok so you’re as clueless as to how this demand will be met as I am - or the virtue-signalling buffoons who think that getting arrested to save Gaia is cool or productive.
I work in alternative energy so not completely clueless but I’m not sure how they’d get 0% but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible.
Im clueless how end homelessness too but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible or should be ignored.
It sounds like you’ve just decided you don’t like the protesters and will take the counter point. I think a lot of how they’ve gone about things is the wrong way but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a point or aren’t championing a worthwhile cause.
It’s like having a go at the suffragettes for ruining horse racing.
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Might save having to buy a holiday home in the South of France or Spain, a caravan in Tenby will be just as warm and easier to get too
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When America stops taking the piss, maybe I will take the ‘environment’ a bit more seriously. Until then, I’m not making myself a martyr when we already do quite a lot for what’s currently reasonably practicable
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WJ99mobile
When America stops taking the piss, maybe I will take the ‘environment’ a bit more seriously. Until then, I’m not making myself a martyr when we already do quite a lot for what’s currently reasonably practicable
The schoolchild they are exploiting today is recommending we stop shale gas exploration.
Err surely that can’t be right.
Did she walk here. No she came by train.
Ridiculous.
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By train? I thought she is Swedish.!!
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AlwaysAway2
The schoolchild they are exploiting today is recommending we stop shale gas exploration.
Err surely that can’t be right.
Did she walk here. No she came by train.
Ridiculous.
I do agree with fracking but wouldn’t be happy if it was right next to my house.
It is the future but they should do it rurally
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AlwaysAway2
The schoolchild they are exploiting today is recommending we stop shale gas exploration.
Err surely that can’t be right.
Did she walk here. No she came by train.
Ridiculous.
That is a monumentally poor attempt at making a really stupid point.
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Eric Cartman
That is a monumentally poor attempt at making a really stupid point.
She is a child being exploited by adults.
What don’t you understand.
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Aren’t trains the most environmentally friendly ways to travel long distances?
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WJ99mobile
I do agree with fracking but wouldn’t be happy if it was right next to my house.
It is the future but they should do it rurally
Why do you think it’s the future? Do you not believe all the negative things that come with it?
Surely the future is nuclear and renewables.
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WJ99mobile
When America stops taking the piss, maybe I will take the ‘environment’ a bit more seriously. Until then, I’m not making myself a martyr when we already do quite a lot for what’s currently reasonably practicable
Do you have to wait for another country to do something on a local level? What do you think we're doing now that's unreasonable?
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Croesy Blue
I work in alternative energy so not completely clueless but I’m not sure how they’d get 0% but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible.
Im clueless how end homelessness too but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible or should be ignored.
It sounds like you’ve just decided you don’t like the protesters and will take the counter point. I think a lot of how they’ve gone about things is the wrong way but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a point or aren’t championing a worthwhile cause.
It’s like having a go at the suffragettes for ruining horse racing.
You work in alternative energy, yet don't have anywhere near the answers to their demands.
Surely, they need to have some ideas as to how to achieve their goals, otherwise they're unrealistic pipe dreams.
My goal might be to have a villa in the South of France with a yacht. If I have no idea as to how I'm going to achieve that goal, then it's absolute nonsense.
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Re: Climate protesting tossers
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Originally Posted by
AlwaysAway2
She is a child being exploited by adults.
What don’t you understand.
Exploited how?
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Re: Climate protesting tossers
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Croesy Blue
Aren’t trains the most environmentally friendly ways to travel long distances?
No, she should have walked and foraged for berries along the way otherwise her point is invalid. Don't you know how this works?
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JDerrida
You work in alternative energy, yet don't have anywhere near the answers to their demands.
Surely, they need to have some ideas as to how to achieve their goals, otherwise they're unrealistic pipe dreams.
My goal might be to have a villa in the South of France with a yacht. If I have no idea as to how I'm going to achieve that goal, then it's absolute nonsense.
Your analogy is complete shit, other countries have cut down massively. We’ve got elected officials who could plan a huge reduction easily. I don’t know because it isn’t my ****ing job to lower our emissions by 80% :hehe:
At a high level it’s easy to say how to do it, it’s how you implement it that’s tricky and that’s why we have elected officials. It isn’t impossible at all.
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Croesy Blue
Your analogy is complete shit, other countries have cut down massively. We’ve got elected officials who could plan a huge reduction easily. I don’t know because it isn’t my ****ing job to lower our emissions by 80% :hehe:
At a high level it’s easy to say how to do it, it’s how you implement it that’s tricky and that’s why we have elected officials. It isn’t impossible at all.
The US has seen the biggest reduction in carbon emissions over the last 20 years, with the UK not far behind. In the EU, carbon emissions are increasing
http://www.aei.org/publication/chart...-this-century/
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WJ99mobile
When America stops taking the piss, maybe I will take the ‘environment’ a bit more seriously. Until then, I’m not making myself a martyr when we already do quite a lot for what’s currently reasonably practicable
But we're (collectively as the UK) are not doing enough. No point waking up to hear about more aggressive flooding this winter and saying it's America's fault for not doing enough.
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Re: Climate protesting tossers
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JDerrida
You work in alternative energy, yet don't have anywhere near the answers to their demands.
Surely, they need to have some ideas as to how to achieve their goals, otherwise they're unrealistic pipe dreams.
My goal might be to have a villa in the South of France with a yacht. If I have no idea as to how I'm going to achieve that goal, then it's absolute nonsense.
But you're a damn sight closer to that dream than myself who walks around saying there's no point trying because China is too big to compete with.
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Croesy Blue
Your analogy is complete shit, other countries have cut down massively. We’ve got elected officials who could plan a huge reduction easily. I don’t know because it isn’t my ****ing job to lower our emissions by 80% :hehe:
At a high level it’s easy to say how to do it, it’s how you implement it that’s tricky and that’s why we have elected officials. It isn’t impossible at all.
You don't like my analogy, but your opinion and attitude is shit.
Someone disagrees with you or has a different opinion to you, you become a typical abusive keyboard warrior. It's quite humorous 🙄😉
Britain and USA have cut down more than most.
I wasn't talking about 'just' reducing emissions, but by 80% or to net zero in 5 years is unrealistic and even if we did somehow reduce it as much as that, then as severncity has shown China, Russia and India emit ridiculous amounts.
It's like someone trying to put out a raging fire with a glass of water.
We do our bit and feel good about ourselves, while the big players destroy the planet.
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If we stop cows farting we can win this .
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Re: Climate protesting tossers
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JDerrida
You don't like my analogy, but your opinion and attitude is shit.
Someone disagrees with you or has a different opinion to you, you become a typical abusive keyboard warrior. It's quite humorous
Britain and USA have cut down more than most.
I wasn't talking about 'just' reducing emissions, but by 80% or to net zero in 5 years is unrealistic and even if we did somehow reduce it as much as that, then as severncity has shown China, Russia and India emit ridiculous amounts.
It's like someone trying to put out a raging fire with a glass of water.
We do our bit and feel good about ourselves, while the big players destroy the planet.
Reminded me of this.. :hehe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z987UziusrA
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Croesy Blue
The UK’s population is 4% of China’s though. So again I don’t see why getting the U.K. to improve its carbon emissions is a bad thing.
Everyone knows China needs to improve but so does every country.
China’s carbon emissions per capita are higher than the UK’s and have been for a decade. China’s emissions per capita are increasing while ours are falling.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...C?locations=SE