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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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Baloo
I’ve no idea what Mumsnet is. Perhaps you could explain,
Sludge might know…
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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Originally Posted by
The Hooded Claw
Sludge might know…
he wouldn't know how much a ticket is to watch CCFC ..........
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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tforturton
And another thing....how long will it go on for? Say the damage costs £10,000. That means it's paid for once 10,000 people go to away matches. Say 1000 at Barnsley, 2500 at Millwall, 1200 Huddersfield, 2500 at QPR, 1000 Middlesbrough, and 2500 at reading should see it done. If it goes on any longer than that, then they're saving up for something...
I hope someone keeps track.
if they keep it going though they will be in credit for the next Time :thumbup:
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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Nobody's Rep
Disagree with the clubs decision on this but we have other measures in place for away games put in place because of the mindless few that cause inconvenience and have down the years
I live about 7.miles from the liberty but it costs me time and money when I have gone (don't bother now) due to it being a bubble, various rv. points etc for some games and surely part of the reason we see some high prices for our away support due to added costs of hosting us e.g. More stewarding bigger police bill etc.
Quite right. I expect the £33 Bristol charged had potential damage priced in.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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Jimmy the Jock
We are all in it together ...
I will reimburse anyone who feels they shouldn't pay for their fellow supporters :thumbup:
They're not fellow supporters, they're ***** who can't behave and smashed up a set of toilets.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
Still it's the bloody ar*eholes who caused the damage we should be directing our anger at.
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I appreciate the board don’t have a clue how to run a football club but this really is stupid even by their standards. Their most loyal supporters, who had absolutely nothing to do with the vandalism, now have to pay for the damage on behalf of the “anti-social and criminal actions of a minority” who won’t be turning up until the next high profile hooligan game!
These vandals are not supporters and are highly unlikely to be members of “Cardiff City Supporter Bodies”. During their “consultation” with the club did these supporters groups really think their members would agree it’s fair that after supporting their team away and having their toilets smashed up they should then be told its their responsibility to pay for the damage on behalf of the criminal scum who did it?
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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J R Hartley
Shouldn’t be up to fans to self-police drunken idiots. That’s what the police and stewards are paid for.
^^^this
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that a huge amount of additional money was spent on a large police presence for the visit of Cardiff.
What the feck were they doing when all this was going on?
Not only should the police have been around to nullify the vandalism but they should be around to safeguard the public from these drugged up louts.
IMHO the police should pay at least half the bill for their poor performance :shrug:
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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Bogota Blue
What an odd reply
I'm just saying you're complaining about having spending a fortune travelling away, overnights in Liverpool etc. No one's making you do that, you're choosing to spend money on a pastime you enjoy. You're making a weekend on the piss in Liverpool watching football with your friends sound like some heroic act :hehe:
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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Jimmy the Jock
More than just threats..
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What’s the point moaning about this on a MB? It’s always been the way, throughout history. It’s the easiest and laziest way, to make the majority pay, for the actions of the minority.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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William Treseder
What’s the point moaning about this on a MB? It’s always been the way, throughout history. It’s the easiest and laziest way, to make the majority pay, for the actions of the minority.
If you are not happy with the club's idea then write to them - no point in whining on this MB. Of course that requires effort which some might find a little too difficult if used to just firing off a few sentences electronically.
I should imagine if Dalman and/or Choo suddenly received a few thousand letters in the post then they might just get the message!
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
while of course the idea is wrong, and the club have a bit of a cheek to do it, it is only £1 , thats not even a can of coke, I am sure it is a very very small % of the cost of a away day outing
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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J R Hartley
The same Gwyn Davies who made threats to supporters who challenged the rebrand? I’m not sure he’s best example to use or some of the peanuts who used to travel on the valley rams coaches. I used them a couple of times and it was an eye opener and I’m not easily shocked.
I hear you Hartley, I was coming more from the principle than the personality so the way I see it is if these dickheads are not challenged by our own fans then they think it's the norm. I pulled a guy for driving like a fecking idiot down my street last night- sure it should be down to the old bill but you never see one when you need em.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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Whisperer
I hear you Hartley, I was coming more from the principle than the personality so the way I see it is if these dickheads are not challenged by our own fans then they think it's the norm. I pulled a guy for driving like a fecking idiot down my street last night- sure it should be down to the old bill but you never see one when you need em.
I hear what you’re saying mate I just think to ask the average Joe to confront these morons is asking for trouble. They are full of lager and gear and being aggressive. I’d say the majority of people on here and social media saying “why did the ones standing around / filming not do anything?” wouldnt have done anything themselves.
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Delbert
I appreciate the board don’t have a clue how to run a football club but this really is stupid even by their standards. Their most loyal supporters, who had absolutely nothing to do with the vandalism, now have to pay for the damage on behalf of the “anti-social and criminal actions of a minority” who won’t be turning up until the next high profile hooligan game!
These vandals are not supporters and are highly unlikely to be members of “Cardiff City Supporter Bodies”. During their “consultation” with the club did these supporters groups really think their members would agree it’s fair that after supporting their team away and having their toilets smashed up they should then be told its their responsibility to pay for the damage on behalf of the criminal scum who did it?
How do you know that those people aren't regular supporters or wont be going until the next ‘hooligan game’ ? Its called collective responsibility anyway. Its up to the majority of loyal fans to help stop this type of thing happening, instead of just standing by, watching and laughing, which in itself helps give them the recognition and publicity they crave.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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J R Hartley
I hear what you’re saying mate I just think to ask the average Joe to confront these morons is asking for trouble. They are full of lager and gear and being aggressive. I’d say the majority of people on here and social media saying “why did the ones standing around / filming not do anything?” wouldnt have done anything themselves.
Exactly. If a fan confronted these morons and was attacked, leaving them potentially needing hospital treatment and taking time off work to recover, I doubt the club would stick a pound on the ticket price to cover their loss of earnings, or to pay privately for any treatment. They'd soon distance themselves from it.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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blue matt
while of course the idea is wrong, and the club have a bit of a cheek to do it, it is only £1 , thats not even a can of coke, I am sure it is a very very small % of the cost of a away day outing
It’s the principle no one gives a shit about the actual cost. A company with a billionaire owners that’s just sold an asset for a few million asking normal working people to shell out for something they didn’t do.
And people saying about self policing must be ****ing high, who’s going into a toilets being smashed up by 20 dick heads and asking them to stop?
They have a culprits on video, why not extort them instead?
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dml1954
How do you know that those people aren't regular supporters or wont be going until the next ‘hooligan game’ ? Its called collective responsibility anyway. Its up to the majority of loyal fans to help stop this type of thing happening, instead of just standing by, watching and laughing, which in itself helps give them the recognition and publicity they crave.
Tory voter wants socialism for toilet smashing. You thick c*nt :hehe:
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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The Bloop
Exactly. If a fan confronted these morons and was attacked, leaving them potentially needing hospital treatment and taking time off work to recover, I doubt the club would stick a pound on the ticket price to cover their loss of earnings, or to pay privately for any treatment. They'd soon distance themselves from it.
I agree. The disappointing thing for me is the way it's 'dismissed' as anti-social behavior (ASB). What I mean by that is that for all ASB there are victims. The club and the EFL don't talk about these aspects and the impact of the behaviour on other people. Even the ticket price increase has an impact and creates victims of ASB. It shouldn't be dismissed as a mere financial problem to be solved.
The club and the EFL should highlight what something like the trashing of toilets does to people. The impact on disabled people for example. The degradation and humiliation of piss*ing or sh*tting yourself. They should humanise the impact and not dress it solely as a financial problem to overcome.
They should consult properly with the supporter's clubs and disability groups and get statements and publish them on the club website and give WOL a press release.
There are other things that just don't make sense either. The footage. Facial recognition software? The fact that many ST holders couldn't get tickets (I wanted to go but couldn't) clearly tickets ended up in the wrong hands. Why isn't the club investigating this aspect? Why aren't they naming the fans who have been issued bans? How long are these bans?
I went to Wembley for a match a few years ago and there were sniffer dogs checking the ticket lines. JR quite rightly highlighted that cocaine use is a societal problem. If it's a problem at football then shouldn't the police and clubs be doing something about it?
This was a massive Health & Safety issue and requires a thorough investigation. Self-policing is not an option and shouldn't be encouraged. The police and stewards are there for OUR protection and ensure events like this don't happen. Who is asking the questions as to why this happened the way it did?
This is so much bigger than whacking a few quid on the price of an away ticket and really needs to be challenged by the groups I've mentioned as well as fans on an individual basis. I'm going to send a copy of this post to the club. Mrs C will do the same. I suggest others let the club know that they're creating victims of this ASB and making innocent people pay for it. I'm totally against it.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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jon1959
Trust statement on club statement and decision to charge a £1 supplement on away tickets:
https://www.ccfctrust.org/trust-back...ial-behaviour/
From what Enoch said above, neither the Trust nor the Supporters Club were really consulted on the decision - just given an opportunity to comment on an advance draft of the press statement.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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jon1959
Trust statement on club statement and decision to charge a £1 supplement on away tickets:
https://www.ccfctrust.org/trust-back...ial-behaviour/
From what Enoch said above, neither the Trust nor the Supporters Club were really consulted on the decision - just given an opportunity to comment on an advance draft of the press statement.
This isn't directed at you Jon.
I think that statement's weak.
"It is hugely unfortunate that because of the substantial cost of repairs to the toilets at Ashton Gate an additional charge of £1 will be added to ticket booking fees for those attending future away games."
If fans accept this then we'll be forever asked to foot the bill for the 'small minority. Where does it end?
"It is hugely unacceptable that because of the substantial cost of repairs to the toilets at Ashton Gate an additional charge of £1 will be added to ticket booking fees for those attending future away games" is the statement that should be there.
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The club or the innocent fans shouldn't have to pay a penny. Once the culprits are caught they should pay for all the damage caused.
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Croesy Blue
It’s the principle no one gives a shit about the actual cost. A company with a billionaire owners that’s just sold an asset for a few million asking normal working people to shell out for something they didn’t do.
I understand the principle of it, maybe someone at the club thinks the principle is that VT shouldn't have to pay it either :shrug: and why should he ? ? ?
as JtJ has said he will pay the £1 for you, just let hm know, he doesn't do online banking though, so just message him your address and he will chuck a quid in the post for you :thumbup:
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Alfresco
The club or the innocent fans shouldn't have to pay a penny. Once the culprits are caught they should pay for all the damage caused.
Just seen on the local news ( its Bristol news here ) and they said Cardiff have banned 3 fans for life
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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blue matt
I understand the principle of it, maybe someone at the club thinks the principle is that VT shouldn't have to pay it either :shrug: and why should he ? ? ?
as JtJ has said he will pay the £1 for you, just let hm know, he doesn't do online banking though, so just message him your address and he will chuck a quid in the post for you :thumbup:
Because he owns the football club, why should I have to pay it? Im going to millwall but wasnt at Bristol, why should I have to pay for knuckle draggers when they are known to the club? The club has them on video and their names from buying tickets. We aren’t school kids don’t try and make people behave with this ridiculous behaviour.
£1 is nothing I’d gladly pay it for all 1000 rather than this ridiculous load of nonsense. Why can’t you understand it’s not about the money? from a PR standpoint and for the principal it’s about as stupid as it gets.
Do you honestly think this is a good thing for the club to be doing?
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The football club didn't cause the damage why should they pay?
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Alfresco
The football club didn't cause the damage why should they pay?
That’s how it always has been. Track the fans down and make the pay is how it should be.
I don’t want the club or Vincent tan to actually pay it but it makes less sense asking other fans to foot the bill.
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blue matt
Just seen on the local news ( its Bristol news here ) and they said Cardiff have banned 3 fans for life
Bless 'em. They should man up and try and protest against anything environmental or disability discrimination, they'd be locked up by now.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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Croesy Blue
That’s how it always has been. Track the fans down and make the pay is how it should be.
I don’t want the club or Vincent tan to actually pay it but it makes less sense asking other fans to foot the bill.
I just think the club are sending out a message that there will be consequences if you don't behave. It's a minimal penalty.
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Scenario 1:
Some nutters trash the toilets in St Davids Centre.
Every time you want to shop in the centre, you're charged before they let you through the door in order to pay for the damage.
Scenario 2:
I buy a business.
I take out insurance.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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Alfresco
I just think the club are sending out a message that there will be consequences if you don't behave. It's a minimal penalty.
Sounds like there are consequences for going to a match whether you behave or not
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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Croesy Blue
Sounds like there are consequences for going to a match whether you behave or not
Even if you didn't go to Ashton Gate but go away again this season you'll get punished. The club could have restricted any future extra charges to those whose purchase history includes a ticket for Bristol, but thought it a wise move to include those who didn't go aswell.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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Croesy Blue
Because he owns the football club, why should I have to pay it?
you dont have to pay it, just dont go, you are not forced to go and pay it
Im going to millwall but wasnt at Bristol, why should I have to pay for knuckle draggers when they are known to the club?
see above
The club has them on video and their names from buying tickets. We aren’t school kids don’t try and make people behave with this ridiculous behaviour.
maybe they dont know who they are, even if they did, not sure how the club is going to make them pay for the damage ? ? maybe its easier to make everyone pay
£1 is nothing I’d gladly pay it for all 1000 rather than this ridiculous load of nonsense. Why can’t you understand it’s not about the money? from a PR standpoint and for the principal it’s about as stupid as it gets.
I understand its not about the money, not sure why you appear to think I dont, if it bothers your principles that much, dont go
as for the PR of it, it wasn't a good look that some of our fans trashed the place either
Do you honestly think this is a good thing for the club to be doing?
Ive never said its a good thing for the club to do either, Im not getting as worked up about it as you though, that maybe thats why you think that
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Surely it would be beneficial to employ a few security guys to look after a few bogs at away grounds than risk this reoccurring?
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Dave Blue
Surely it would be beneficial to employ a few security guys to look after a few bogs at away grounds than risk this reoccurring?
Who would apply to be a shit house sheriff:shrug:
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But I want to go and I will, that doesn’t stop it being stupid.
I didn’t think the lads smashing up the bogs had a pr team advising them and ceos telling them what to do and had a customer base to keep happy either but I suppose you learn something new every day.
They’ve got their faces on camera and everyone had to be a season ticket holder to go. So isn’t that a failure of the club if they don’t know who they are too?
So if you also don’t think it’s good what is your actual point?
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Croesy Blue
But I want to go and I will, that doesn’t stop it being stupid.
I didn’t think the lads smashing up the bogs had a pr team advising them and ceos telling them what to do and had a customer base to keep happy either but I suppose you learn something new every day.
They’ve got their faces on camera and everyone had to be a season ticket holder to go. So isn’t that a failure of the club if they don’t know who they are too?
So if you also don’t think it’s good what is your actual point?
“Don’t go then”
It’s like getting an answer out of Nadine Dorres.
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Tell you what - why don't we all back a ban of any of our fans attending away games for the rest of the season. That would be the likely outcome if anything like this happened again anyway. It would solve the problem and avoid the need for the club to charge a massive £1 surcharge.
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Re: Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.
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dml1954
Tell you what - why don't we all back a ban of any of our fans attending away games for the rest of the season. That would be the likely outcome if anything like this happened again anyway. It would solve the problem and avoid the need for the club to charge a massive £1 surcharge.
How is the £1 charge stopping that?
Why not do something like this instead and just get the guys who did it to pay for it.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...ey-lowery/amp/