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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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The Bloop
Threads develop, or get hijacked? You were the first to mention Bristol in the 3rd post in the thread. A reply which criticised Cardiff's food, music, transport, development, lack of a beach and have done so throughout the thread.
Thats because I don't think Cardiff is a great as people seem to think , for the reasons I outlined
This oh cardiff is a multi cultural oasis thing is trumped by the good and great but tiger bay was flattened , the community dispersed to estates all over the city
But I suppose we have the rugby 🏉
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
How does being different mean that having a chilled out bohemian district isn't possible ?
Did that sort of vibe and alternative lifestyle and liberalism begin in 1830 ?
Plymouth has the St Judes District which is alternative in its own way
The street art , urban music scene and left of centre politics started in the nineties
Not 1890 !
A bohemian district is possible if the people of Cardiff want to make it possible.
As you’ve pointed out, Cardiff and it’s citizens are very different to Bristol and the people there, so for whatever reasons a bohemian district hasn’t materialised because there isn’t enough of a want for one.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Canton Kev
A bohemian district is possible if the people of Cardiff want to make it possible.
As you’ve pointed out, Cardiff and it’s citizens are very different to Bristol and the people there, so for whatever reasons a bohemian district hasn’t materialised because there isn’t enough of a want for one.
So that's not a very good advert for Cardiff then ?
Poor music scene , very little alternative politics but we have a great rugby stadium in the city centre where a few times a year people get pissed up watching a sport that is insignificant to most people
Christ
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
So that's not a very good advert for Cardiff then ?
Poor music scene , very little alternative politics but we have a great rugby stadium in the city centre where a few times a year people get pissed up watching a sport that is insignificant to most people
Christ
About 10.05 to 10.20 a Sabbath influence ? on Sabbath bloody Sabbath.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIVwafpYgqE
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Heathblue
Definitely
Plenty of King Crimson , Yes as well and Genesis Lamb era
He's got a good voice
Bit of a Gabriel copy
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Canton Kev
Rubbish. The Millennium is a huge bonus to the city and has events on all year round.
Cities like Milton Keynes, Coventry, Derby, Hull, Swansea, etc would kill to have an asset that brings in 50k-100k+ people multiple times a year. Even bigger cities like Bristol, Newcastle, Leeds and Liverpool don’t have an asset quite like it.
There’s not many cities of similar size and stature in Europe let alone the UK than can boast about hosting Olympic events, the Champions League final, Rugby World Cup, Euros finals and some of the biggest musical acts in the world.
Newcastle is smaller than Cardiff
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TWGL1
Newcastle is smaller than Cardiff
Only technically, if Gateshead and other urban clusters are included (which they most certainly are culturally) Newcastle has a concentrated conurbation population of approx 475k as opposed to Cardiff's 360k.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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TWGL1
Newcastle is smaller than Cardiff
Technically that's correct but the Newcastle urban area which consists of a continuous built up area along the river Tyne......Newcastle, Gateshead , North Shields etc is 800 000
Cardiff is also bigger than Nottingham ......but again Nottingham has a continuous urban build up .....Nottingham, Carlton , West Bridgeford ....which again makes it twice the size of Cardiff
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Dorcus
Only technically, if Gateshead and other urban clusters are included (which they most certainly are culturally) Newcastle has a concentrated conurbation population of approx 475k as opposed to Cardiff's 360k.
You said it so much better than me
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
Only technically, if Gateshead and other urban clusters are included (which they most certainly are culturally) Newcastle has a concentrated conurbation population of approx 475k as opposed to Cardiff's 360k.
The current metro area population of Cardiff in 2023 is 488,000, a 0.62% increase from 2022.
Barry , Penarth ,is within this figure.
I’d argue it’s bigger again than Newcastle and Gateshead if you include Caerphilly some of the towns bordering Cardiff in RCT and the like.
Cardiff Council population for 2023 is getting very close to 400k. The urban population is around 1.3m
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
[QUOTE=TWGL1;5446348]The current metro area population of Cardiff in 2023 is 488,000, a 0.62% increase from 2022.
Barry , Penarth ,is within this figure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyneside#Settlements
This is the greater Newcastle urban area
Newcastle , Gateshead, North Tyneside etc
A continual , joined urban area about 9 miles along the river Tyne to the sea
It's one of the uks biggest urban areas and has a population of 800 000
Cardiff doesn't have a metropolitan area really , it's just Cardiff
If you look at a similar map as the above with regard to Cardiff it's 8 miles till you get to Barry , 12 miles till you get to pontypridd and 12 miles to Newport
Clearly these are not part of Cardiffs built up area and are not joined at the hip like Newcastle is joined to Gateshead and North Tyneside
For administrative and investment purposes it's said Cardiff Metro is 1 million people but that includes Newport, Barry , Pontypridd , Caerphilly etc
Which are obviously not thought of as Cardiff by most people down this way
If you go to Newcastle you can tell its a bigger place than Cardiff by its railway station , arts , music and entertainments scene , the fact it has an underground trains system and driving around the place its clearly a big city with lots and lots of districts
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[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5446362]
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
The current metro area population of Cardiff in 2023 is 488,000, a 0.62% increase from 2022.
Barry , Penarth ,is within this figure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyneside#Settlements
This is the greater Newcastle urban area
Newcastle , Gateshead, North Tyneside etc
A continual , joined urban area about 9 miles along the river Tyne to the sea
It's one of the uks biggest urban areas and has a population of 800 000
Cardiff doesn't have a metropolitan area really , it's just Cardiff
If you look at a similar map as the above with regard to Cardiff it's 8 miles till you get to Barry , 12 miles till you get to pontypridd and 12 miles to Newport
Clearly these are not part of Cardiffs built up area and are not joined at the hip like Newcastle is joined to Gateshead and North Tyneside
For administrative and investment purposes it's said Cardiff Metro is 1 million people but that includes Newport, Barry , Pontypridd , Caerphilly etc
Which are obviously not thought of as Cardiff by most people down this way
If you go to Newcastle you can tell its a bigger place than Cardiff by its railway station , arts , music and entertainments scene , the fact it has an underground trains system and driving around the place its clearly a big city with lots and lots of districts
Coincidently, I have family in Whitley Bay. I’ve been going to Newcastle since 1976 and the city itself is considerably smaller than Cardiff.
Just like you say people from Barry and the like are not thought of as Cardiff , the same is definitely said regarding the areas around Newcastle. If you ask anyone from my family in Whitley Bay they definitely will say they are not from Newcastle.
Many of those areas are also full of Sunderland supporters.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
The current metro area population of Cardiff in 2023 is 488,000, a 0.62% increase from 2022.
Barry , Penarth ,is within this figure.
I’d argue it’s bigger again than Newcastle and Gateshead if you include Caerphilly some of the towns bordering Cardiff in RCT and the like.
Cardiff Council population for 2023 is getting very close to 400k. The urban population is around 1.3m
If you included the Rhondda, Powys, Monmouthshire and Llanelli you could increase the urban population twofold but of course it doesn't work like that.
The Newcastle figure is just for its local environs. I can assure you it's population is much greater than Cardiff's.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5446362]
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
The current metro area population of Cardiff in 2023 is 488,000, a 0.62% increase from 2022.
Barry , Penarth ,is within this figure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyneside#Settlements
This is the greater Newcastle urban area
Newcastle , Gateshead, North Tyneside etc
A continual , joined urban area about 9 miles along the river Tyne to the sea
It's one of the uks biggest urban areas and has a population of 800 000
Cardiff doesn't have a metropolitan area really , it's just Cardiff
If you look at a similar map as the above with regard to Cardiff it's 8 miles till you get to Barry , 12 miles till you get to pontypridd and 12 miles to Newport
Clearly these are not part of Cardiffs built up area and are not joined at the hip like Newcastle is joined to Gateshead and North Tyneside
For administrative and investment purposes it's said Cardiff Metro is 1 million people but that includes Newport, Barry , Pontypridd , Caerphilly etc
Which are obviously not thought of as Cardiff by most people down this way
If you go to Newcastle you can tell its a bigger place than Cardiff by its railway station , arts , music and entertainments scene , the fact it has an underground trains system and driving around the place its clearly a big city with lots and lots of districts
I'm from Caerphilly. I support the City but I don't consider myself a Cardiffian and I don't know anyone up here who does either. We live in a medium sized town totally distinct from Cardiff with a pretty large hill separating the two.
I for one wouldn't want to suggest to people living in Barry that they're actually from Cardiff. At least not to their faces.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
so to sum it up, yes Cardiff is a nice city, it's just a bit small, but sometimes small is good
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
If you included the Rhondda, Powys, Monmouthshire and Llanelli you could increase the urban population twofold but of course it doesn't work like that.
The Newcastle figure is just for its local environs. I can assure you it's population is much greater than Cardiff's.
Absolutely Newcastle and its urban area is far bigger than Cardiff and its urban area
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
[QUOTE=TWGL1;5446386]
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Coincidently, I have family in Whitley Bay. I’ve been going to Newcastle since 1976 and the city itself is considerably smaller than Cardiff.
Just like you say people from Barry and the like are not thought of as Cardiff , the same is definitely said regarding the areas around Newcastle. If you ask anyone from my family in Whitley Bay they definitely will say they are not from Newcastle.
Many of those areas are also full of Sunderland supporters.
Newcastle and its suburbs and integrated urban towns and built up areas are a true metropolitan area .....like Leeds , Birmingham , Glasgow
Newcastle joins and serves as the urban centre for Newcastle, Gateshead , North Tyneside , Jarrow , etc .......its a big place and it's all one big population
Cardiff is on the next rung down and only if you include urban populations 8 to 12 miles away .....eg pontypridd .....separated by fields of grass and cows ......does its population hit the big league
It's not a big place like Tyneside , Leeds , Greater Manchester , Greater Glasgow etc
Its not a small city but its not big .....for example It's not as big as the Bournemouth urban area , I think that says it all
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
The current metro area population of Cardiff in 2023 is 488,000, a 0.62% increase from 2022.
Barry , Penarth ,is within this figure.
I’d argue it’s bigger again than Newcastle and Gateshead if you include Caerphilly some of the towns bordering Cardiff in RCT and the like.
Cardiff Council population for 2023 is getting very close to 400k. The urban population is around 1.3m
The urban population includes Newport, the South Wales valleys , the Vale of Glamorgan
These are not Cardiff , clearly , that's used to attract industry , for planning purposes , health authorities , roads , provision of services
The population of Tyneside......Greater Newcastle.......not Sunderland etc .....is 800 000 ......considerably bigger ......almost twice as big ......as Greater Cardiff at 488 000
Newcastle , Gateshead , North Shields , North Tyneside are big , all one continuous urban unit .....look on the map..... and twice as populated as Cardiff , Penarth , Llandough , Dinas .....you could even throw Barry and Llantrisant in if you want .....geordieland is huge
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The urban population includes Newport, the South Wales valleys , the Vale of Glamorgan
These are not Cardiff , clearly , that's used to attract industry , for planning purposes , health authorities , roads , provision of services
The population of Tyneside......Greater Newcastle.......not Sunderland etc .....is 800 000 ......considerably bigger ......almost twice as big ......as Greater Cardiff at 488 000
Newcastle , Gateshead , North Shields , North Tyneside are big , all one continuous urban unit .....look on the map..... and twice as populated as Cardiff , Penarth , Llandough , Dinas .....you could even throw Barry and Llantrisant in if you want .....geordieland is huge
As cities go , ( which was what the thread was about) Cardiff City population is larger than Newcastle City, but the Urban Area isn't, sorted.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
As cities go , ( which was what the thread was about) Cardiff City population is larger than Newcastle City, but the Urban Area isn't, sorted.
Cardiff .......the place people know as Cardiff ......is nowhere near the size of Newcastle
Newcastle Central Station is a big station because Newcastle serves a big place
Look at a map of Newcastle and its suburbs and feeder towns ......Look at a map of Cardiff ...its suburbs and feeder towns
I am happy to stick them up , our city is a third of the area and half the population
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
As cities go , ( which was what the thread was about) Cardiff City population is larger than Newcastle City, but the Urban Area isn't, sorted.
The population of the city of London is smaller than the city of Cardiff
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
Friendly city. One of the friendliest in the UK. Great independent businesses outside of the city centre. Very green city - Bute Park is a huge asset, it feels pretty safe to me.
The main con for me is that if you live in the suburbs, public transport can be terrible. One bus route to serve an entire area of population, one bus an hour that sometimes doesn't show up.
Also, not exactly a con, but I've been thinking about how Cardiff could embrace smart technology, and I'm really drawn to the idea of having such smart solar benches in our cityscape. They're made of stainless steel, which means they're durable and low maintenance, perfect for our Bute Park. And they have a solar-powered setup, wireless charging capability, and Wi-Fi connectivity. Yes, I'm all for eco-friendliness and technological advancement.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Heathblue
Have a week off this week with Doris, decided we wouldn’t contribute to any more pollution with a much needed holiday, and decided to do a few jobs about the house, as the weather was decent yesterday said f**k it to the paint brushes and had a very pleasant walk into town, walked to western avenue to pick up the Taff trail, and walked along the river, crossing over at the weir to the cricket ground side and then back across just before the boat taxis to the bay, did a bit of shopping had some lunch in the madeira washed down with a couple of beers. With the sun out early again this morning we walked to Roath Park then on through the Rec, then past Roath court funeral home, then on to Dunelm, the intended target, a couple of purchases, a further trek along Newport road to get a bite to eat at Greggs 😊 , bus back to town which terminated in Churchill and which got me thinking a little, our two walks along the Taff and through Roath Park bring some nice scenery & wildlife, Roath Park this morning with the swans out in force, biggest firm of jacks I’ve seen in Cardiff, the other ducks and wildlife was nice,
Churchill way Canal,
I’m all in favour of this project as it’ll add another nice attraction to IMO, is a more than decent City, I think we are fortunate in having a compact city with plenty of things to see and do, however, I’m presuming that the canal exposure is being funded by the taxpayer? I’m sure this isn’t a cheap project, is it the best use of the money ?, as previously said I think it will be great for the City but I cannot help thinking maybe a better distribution of the money throughout the city might have been better use, my immediate thought being the City public transport. Any views ?, oh and a couple of pints in the birch coming back from town so the 14,000-step calorie burn (both days) was totally wasted!!!!
It is often unappreciated until you have to live away from Cardiff how F’CKING GREAT it is. Most of the UK is miserable as sin, with overserious folk and a general lack of happiness. For a city of near half a million the pubs, restaurants, sports stadiums, open spaces, and youthfull laid-backness and passion of Cardiff people shines like a beacon.
Love it. I luvs The ‘Diff
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Keyser Soze
It is often unappreciated until you have to live away from Cardiff how F’CKING GREAT it is. Most of the UK is miserable as sin, with overserious folk and a general lack of happiness. For a city of near half a million the pubs, restaurants, sports stadiums, open spaces, and youthfull laid-backness and passion of Cardiff people shines like a beacon.
Love it. I luvs The ‘Diff
Agreed.
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That Churchill way canal re-opening though is a joke, what a waste of money and I bet it’s cost the council millions? Yet they struggle to afford to pay rufuse collectors? Bins once every three weeks but a large puddle opened up on a pretty insignificant city centre street?…I can’t believe how small it is, it used to be really wide and much longer.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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goats
That Churchill way canal re-opening though is a joke, what a waste of money and I bet it’s cost the council millions? Yet they struggle to afford to pay rufuse collectors? Bins once every three weeks but a large puddle opened up on a pretty insignificant city centre street?…I can’t believe how small it is, it used to be really wide and much longer.
I couldn't disagree more. That end of the city centre has been dying a slow death as the centre of gravity shifted towards the southern end and the Bay. This will undoubtedly rejuvenate it. Of course there are other things that, in theory, money could be spent on, there always are. But local government finance doesn't work like that. You can't simply transfer money from one expenditure head to another. And if you could, it would mean all the money would be all spent on absolutely essential services and nothing would ever be spent on making the city a nicer place to live and visit.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Robin Friday's Ghost
I couldn't disagree more. That end of the city centre has been dying a slow death as the centre of gravity shifted towards the southern end and the Bay. This will undoubtedly rejuvenate it. Of course there are other things that, in theory, money could be spent on, there always are. But local government finance doesn't work like that. You can't simply transfer money from one expenditure head to another. And if you could, it would mean all the money would be all spent on absolutely essential services and nothing would ever be spent on making the city a nicer place to live and visit.
I agree, it’s a forgotten part of town that needed rejuvenating. I’ve read that a few new outlets have opened or extended in the area providing more choice and bringing more revenue into the city. The hospitality industry has been through a tough time as well as us punters with many well loved establishments disappearing off the face of the earth. If it brings business to the city it has to be a good thing, something needed kickstarting in that area. Better than leaving the area to rot.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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Originally Posted by
Robin Friday's Ghost
I couldn't disagree more. That end of the city centre has been dying a slow death as the centre of gravity shifted towards the southern end and the Bay. This will undoubtedly rejuvenate it. Of course there are other things that, in theory, money could be spent on, there always are. But local government finance doesn't work like that. You can't simply transfer money from one expenditure head to another. And if you could, it would mean all the money would be all spent on absolutely essential services and nothing would ever be spent on making the city a nicer place to live and visit.
Nonsense, it’s tiny, I couldn’t even see water walking passed it. We shall see how it works out in 5/10 years time. I do agree that that end of town needs something, it could be a lot better as there are lots of flats, lots of students but no where really to hang out as everything seems to have shut including most of the capitol centre.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
Our city is filthy !!!!!!
Gutters full up with leaves, drains blocked, lanes full of rubbish, and as for the city centre, it gets cleaned about 6 times a year ( that’s after EGG games)
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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BLUETIT
Our city is filthy !!!!!!
Gutters full up with leaves, drains blocked, lanes full of rubbish, and as for the city centre, it gets cleaned about 6 times a year ( that’s after EGG games)
Are you as miserable in real life as you are on here. Your posts always seem to be moaning about football, the council or Mark Drakeford.
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
[QUOTE=RichardM;5495065]Are you as miserable in real life as you are on here. Your posts always seem to be moaning about football, the council or Mark Drakeford
WHO ?:hehe::hehe:
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
Having lived in London for ten years, IMHO Cardiff is by far the better city. The only thing that lets it down is public transport.
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bobh
Having lived in London for ten years, IMHO Cardiff is by far the better city. The only thing that lets it down is public transport.
This
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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bobh
Having lived in London for ten years, IMHO Cardiff is by far the better city. The only thing that lets it down is public transport.
And no top flight football or any decent clothes shops
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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goats
And no top flight football or any decent clothes shops
Isn't Cardiff City and M&S good enough for you😃
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Re: Cardiff, how nice is our City ?
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bobh
Having lived in London for ten years, IMHO Cardiff is by far the better city. The only thing that lets it down is public transport.
By far the better City? you really need to elaborate on that statement. London is a Mega city, Cardiff is a village in comparison.
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Rjk
I was in St Louis, Missouri the other day, and the baseball park is absolutely the focal point of the city.
it's relatively new but built in the style of an old stadium and is absolutely stunning.
also in the centre, about 20-30 minutes walk from that is a brand new football stadium (soccer) for their new MLS franchise, and that looks really nice as well. not an identikit bowl.
St Louis is a pretty dull city though. If there's no baseball game, downtown it's dead after 5pm. I'd much rather spend an evening in Cardiff.
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course and as someone who's lived in Asia since 2006 and went home last November for the first time in nearly 10 years, mine is that Cardiff is brilliant.
And I honestly think it's going to get better and better: https://www.cardiffwalesmap.com/CardiffDevelopments.htm
If I HAD to say something bad about the place I'd say that the Bay is a little overrated as it is but no doubt that'll look different too by my next trip home. There's so much potential there.
The thing that stuck out the most for me is how nice the people are. I had heard that everyone's miserable and it's all doom and gloom but that's just not the impression I got. We'd go to a bus stop looking lost and peopled helped us out every single time, then we'd chat for ages. People are so easy and nice to talk to. Sat next to a great bunch at the CCS, chatted and laughed the whole time. No idea who they are. Every day was a different conversation with a nice stranger.
I'm a bit of a pussy but never felt unsafe. Although my family did drop me off at my hotel down the Bay after a Tuesday night game because I was planning on walking through Grangetown alone with my new City away shirt in my hand. They didn't think it was a very good idea.
I admit I didn't go down that end of Queen Street but town is still great. The arcades are great. Cardiff Market is great. If that market was in Perth or Adelaide it would be all over the travel blogs. I grew up on pub food and a cone of chips. Now I can eat good Greek food and Polish dumplings? Maybe it was always there but there does seem like a lot more quality options nowadays.
My only hope is that house prices don't go through the roof before I get the chance to move back. Fingers crossed!
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NYCBlue
St Louis is a pretty dull city though. If there's no baseball game, downtown it's dead after 5pm. I'd much rather spend an evening in Cardiff.
That’s because it’s dangerous as.
Back to the thread, comparing Cardiff to any City is daft.
I read an article in National Geographic comparing Cardiff to Baltimore.
A merchant shipping history with the docks done up and stadiums which could be considered as focal points is fair enough, but the reality is chalk and cheese.
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Tuerto
By far the better City? you really need to elaborate on that statement. London is a Mega city, Cardiff is a village in comparison.
Size isn't everything.