There's not much left to privatise either!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 07:11
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There's not much left to privatise either!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 07:11
good griefQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 08:46
we have seen the term 'swingeing' being used when referencing the cuts - that is synonymous with decimate. cuts may have been made but not all services have diminished. you short change the workers in the public sector. they are more than capable of delivering more for less even and perhaps you should consider this as it comes across that you think the solution to everything is more money and more workers this is not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 08:43
You do amuse me Mr Feedback. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You seem torn between attempts to convince others (and maybe yourself?) that you're not a free market ideologue and then the mask slips and it's clear to everyone that you're a slave to your ideology. A man on the political fringes every bit as much as those on the hard left.
Keep it coming though. Your contributions are comedy gold. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Time and time again we see the least well off and the vulnerable being at the sharp end of cuts, but people who do not have to deal with the problems often deny they exist because they do not impact on them directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 10:49
where have I hinted at that? I'm all for the free market, its what drives innovation, prosperity and improves living standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 12:46
before we go any further can you define swingeing please?Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 12:57
So, I take it your 'Damascus' moment that saw you open your eyes to the nonsense of ideology driven free market dogma was short lived, yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 15:11
the two aren't mutually exclusive here. You can appreciate the best option is somewhere between capitalism and socialism whilst at the same time wishing to see a market that is free to establish what the people want rather than what others wish the people to wantQuote:
Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 15:50
I'm not asking you whether you believe that a free market is overall the best economic model. I'm asking you whether you are a free market ideologue. Because today you indicated that you are but very recently you made it clear that you favoured practicality over ideology. So, are you are pragmatism? Or are you wedded to ideology?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 16:00
I'm not wedded to any ideology in the slightest.
It was you who first referenced free market ideology on this thread and not me. But since you raised it (I don't know why) let me make my position clear.
The free market allows humans to freely determine worth and value and exchange goods and services. The state will intervene on occasion through regulation and taxation to provide corrections to the market that are deemed counter to the overall benefit of society. As an example a pollution factory could be legislated against or taxed to ensure the environment is cleaned accordingly.
The free market in this instance will determine the value of what the factory produces and society will decide via taxation or legislation whether the cost to wider society is fair. That cost is then passed on via the market and if the cost is too great then the market dissappears.
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Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 15:16
"Over 10 years we will have lost about 70,000 posts and I don't think it's possible to carry on doing what we've always done, as we will just fail the public but also cause unacceptable stress among our officers and staff," she said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 07:11
droll. The definitions are very similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 17:41
That's a cut to budget. Whilst the article says they don't think they can carry on delivering the service, that doesn't mean that's a givenQuote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 17:55
My point was not to argue about the defintions, merely to suggest that arguing about the definitions is well --- you work it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:10
If you are going to use that sort of logic, you cannot blame people when they say you defned the tories no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:11
I used the term decimated. You said no such term had ever been used. I said swingeing had been used suggesting swingeing and decimated were synonymous. You're arguing for the sake of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:14
I'm drawing on my experience as an accountant having worked through many M&As where budgets have halved but service levels maintained.Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:16
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Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:29
More worrying is that George Osbourne seems to share your right-wing libertarian agenda! You just sound off on messageboards whilst dismissing the damage of his austerity programme - he ruins real lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 15:16
Yep, you're not wedded to any ideology in the slightest http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 17:38
I can see the benefit of regulation and legislation. That's against the free market ideology.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:01
The point I'm making is that we are not seeing swingeing cuts to services as claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:44
Not sure of your point, if indeed you have one?Quote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 18:37
Even free market ideologue loons like Hayek, Friedman and Thatcher believed in some regulation and legislation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:09
Well, I work in the private sector in a commercial capacity but I deal primarily with the public sector and believe me you are talking complete bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:11
Just becasue you refuse to acknowledge the cuts, even when demonstrated by evidence, it does not mean they are not happening. By dismissing cuts that have a massive detrimental impact on the vulnerable, you most certainly give the impression that you dont care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:11
Really? Are you talking about the entire public sector or just the bit you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:17
What evidence? All that has been posted on here is comments from a few left wingers. All you need to do is show me a list of every public sector department pre and post cuts and the level of services thry provided in each case. That should state quite clearly once and for allQuote:
Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:20
Britain is still a very wealthy country but it's idea of adequately funding vital public services is laughable and it's only going to get worse. A couple of thousand years of human evolution and we have a bunch of wankers running the country who, to their core, still believe in survival of the fittest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:33
Alfie
There may be tough budget decisions to make, but there are also better use of spending money. The nhs could save billions if it coordinated it's procurement. Until it gets its house in order then can be no complaints about budgetary pressure
There you go, that is my rant for the night. I bid you good evening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 19:35
Hang on, you said every aspect of the public sector had cuts so I said where is the evidence? That's not unreasonable. Jon also wrote what he thinks are cuts but hadn't provided evidence. I'm not saying he is incorrect, but just saying libraries have closed isn't providing evidence.
Whilst we are on the subject of libraries, their use has declined and whilst I appreciate they form a service to some people, in times of reduced budgets tough choices have to be made. There is also the changing behaviour of the majority who no longer use libraries.
I do totally acknowledge that the health service should employ more business savvy people when it comes to negotiating T's and C's of contract minutiae with industry but one of the fundamental problems remains inadequate funding. To ignore that just shows a lack of any real understanding of the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 20:53
Alfie
As a starter for ten, how much would you say the nhs is short of funding?
These are just figures to ensure the basic functionality of the NHS, before we even get into detail around funding drugs that will significantly improve QoL and survival rates, desperately needed hospital modernisation etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Col Kojak Slaphead III wrote on Tue, 28 July 2015 21:26
30bn over 6 years is 5bn per annum.
et voila