Yesterday's attendance - some facts and figures

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:27

Whilst from a data integrity perspective I'm interested in how many you know personally, your estimates in this response add no value as they are unsubstantiated.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:27

Indeed. So it was a waste of time asking for them, really.

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Only after clarity pal. Sort of renders the original comment meaningless as well eh?

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:38

Only after clarity pal. Sort of renders the original comment meaningless as well eh?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:35

Better crowd than I expected.

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I'm too far away to return with any regularity now, but hope to catch a few and join in the noise. I've missed that.

Blue is clearly not working.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:53

Here's a prediction- if we start playing great football and winning I think crowds will go up. If we are not doing well then I think crowds may go down.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:06

It really is as simple as that- and was always the case regardless of the colour we played in. Surely there is nobody who thinks otherwise? So what's the debate here?

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As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 15:49

As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.

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For many the evidence is fairly personal - from both our own decisions to attend or not or those we know. From this perspective it suggested to me that the club has lost a considerably percentage of their fans over the rebrand - some who have lost interest completely, whilst others just have less enthusiasm. Of course, I could be an exception in that regard though.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 15:49

Here's a prediction- if we start playing great football and winning I think crowds will go up. If we are not doing well then I think crowds may go down.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:53

It really is as simple as that- and was always the case regardless of the colour we played in. Surely there is nobody who thinks otherwise? So what's the debate here?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 11:06

I wasn't aware there was a debate. Personally, I just find it interesting that attendances have now seemingly dipped to the lowest point in a decade. So much for Emperor Tan's 'vision', huh?

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Perhaps the measure that most shows that it did have an impact is posts like Jimmy Jimmy's - fans who are there now aren't going through the motions and stay behind the team when it isn't going so well, which you certainly didn't get during rebrand years.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:39

Only after clarity pal. Sort of renders the original comment meaningless as well eh?

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:38

Maybe, pal. But then most of your comments are meaningless if the truth be told.

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Its fairly easy to understand

Gloaters love to Gloat

When we are doing sh1t, crowds will be down, lets be honest here, we knew crowds would be down, its hardly earth shattering news is it ? ? ? BUT as I said above, Gloaters love to Gloat, if we have a poor start, you can bet your last quid, up will pop a " this is the worse start for X amount of years " or " this is the 6th worse start for the last 20 years " you get the picture

Now if we have a good start, we will have silence, no posts about anything positive, thats just the way it is

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:34

Perhaps not but we are now a lot clearer on the fact that everything associated with the last few years has possibly cost the club as many as 50 people you know personally who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with it anymore. (Apart from those who can't stay away from commenting on it... Obviously)

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:32

That's nonsense.

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No loss

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 15:49

It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.

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Why do you think 3,411 fewer fans attended yesterday's game than attended the 2007 fixture? Any ideas?

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:21

So you were lying about the number of people you knew then. 50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.

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No. You were lying when you said I know as many as 50 people who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with the club anymore. I've never said any such thing.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:21

50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.

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This is also nonsense.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:25

So you were lying about the number of people you knew then. 50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:21

No. You were lying when you said I know as many as 50 people who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with the club anymore. I've never said any such thing.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:31

50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:21

This is also nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:31

"Ooh, let me see now....

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You'll note there is no mention of an "absolute maximum" of 50 people who have stopped attending matches and no mention of anyone who is no longer interested in anything to do with the club anymore, as you have suggested.

"Of the 50-100 people I know personally who boycotted the club during the re-brand, I'd say about 25-50 of them have been to the occasional game since it was reversed, but only one or possibly two have bought season tickets again"

So up to half of them haven't totally abandoned CCFC. Whilst I'd agree that 50 is not an 'absolute' number ( sorry I got carried away with the frivolity of your words) I am still drawn to the conclusion that you are indeed a liar my friend.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:34

"Ooh, let me see now....

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:31

As an estimate I'd say I personally know more than 50 people who either stopped attending matches immediately following the re-brand or stopped during the first season, but less than 100."

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Oh, that's ok then. Thanks for clearing it up. Back tracker

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:37

So up to half of them haven't totally abandoned CCFC. Whilst I'd agree that 50 is not an 'absolute' number ( sorry I got carried away with the frivolity of your words) I am still drawn to the conclusion that you are indeed a liar my friend.

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Incidentally, it would be unwise of you to refer to me as your friend again. You'd be lying if you did so. After all, I'm not your friend. You just wish I was.

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:38

Oh, that's ok then. Thanks for clearing it up. Back tracker

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I haven't back-tracked at all. It seems you simply have difficulty in understanding plain English.

Just my conclusion based on the available data.

Why would it be unwise by the way?

Surely you see it's just a figure of speech old fruit

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Originally Posted by Toronto wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:43

Just my conclusion based on the available data.

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What I see is somebody desperately attempting to appear clever but failing dismally. That's my conclusion based on the available data.

A very good attendance all things considered, as someone sad the atmosphere was a lot better.

For reasons that should be fairly obvious, TLG's analysis is missing one vital element.

Whilst I agree that the published attendance was down, imho the actual number of people in the ground was consistent with last season.

Clearly many ST holders last season, for whatever reason, didn't actually show up for games. It would appear that this season's ST holders actually turned up.

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Originally Posted by Tandy wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:49

A very good attendance all things considered, as someone sad the atmosphere was a lot better.

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As someone else who is sad, the atmosphere made be feel better too.

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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:51

For reasons that should be fairly obvious, TLG's analysis is missing one vital element.

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I imagine the rugby knocked a couple of thousand off too.

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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:51

A very good attendance all things considered, as someone sad the atmosphere was a lot better.

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Originally Posted by Tandy wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:49

As someone else who is sad, the atmosphere made be feel better too.

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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:52

For reasons that should be fairly obvious, TLG's analysis is missing one vital element.

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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:51

Whilst I agree that the published attendance was down, imho the actual number of people in the ground was consistent with last season.

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As did the bastard 12pm kickoff, holidays and the ashes.....and Golf http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:55

For reasons that should be fairly obvious, TLG's analysis is missing one vital element.

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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:52

Whilst I agree that the published attendance was down, imho the actual number of people in the ground was consistent with last season.

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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:51

Clearly many ST holders last season, for whatever reason, didn't actually show up for games. It would appear that this season's ST holders actually turned up.

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It was also the final day time trial in the Tour de Pologne.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:23

It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 15:49

As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.

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I'm guessing the Wolves game will get an even lower attendance due to it being on TV.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 14:35

Better crowd than I expected.

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^^^^^^^^ This.

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Originally Posted by BlooDevil wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 17:02

I'm guessing the Wolves game will get an even lower attendance due to it being on TV.

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Don't know how many Fulham brought, but I'd imagine Wolves will sell their allocation. That should give the crowd a bit of a boost.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 17:29

I'm guessing the Wolves game will get an even lower attendance due to it being on TV.

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Originally Posted by BlooDevil wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 17:02

Don't know how many Fulham brought, but I'd imagine Wolves will sell their allocation. That should give the crowd a bit of a boost.

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A Fulham lad came back to the Cornwall with us, he said when http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif he got his ticket Friday it was about 800

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:23

It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 15:49

As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.

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Simples

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Originally Posted by Kiffa wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 17:52

It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:23

As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 15:49

In 2006/07, Cardiff City finished 13th in the Championship. The team endured an abysmal end to the season which saw a run of 9 games without a victory.

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12 o ` clock kick off ,plus up against the Eggchasing free on TV and back then Stoke was a big fixture for us especially our nutters!

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 16:23

It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 09 August 2015 15:49

As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.

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Nice try. A lot of that was to do with people hoping to see robbie fowler and jimmy Floyd haselbaink. The next crowd was 16k then a 13k then a 12k. This time we signed 1 player on loan with a poor reputation who will likely be no more than a squad player

The bitterness just doesn't go way..

Ah well, I think everyone has got what they wanted from this thread.

Roll on the 22nd, we may even lose that one.

so so ****ing sad is Dave must spend hours researching meaningless
figures and writing meaningless blogs

the lone gunman is the voice of reason even though im a leeds fan. there was 15,000 there yesterday.

tan got you up to the premier league and it was a miserable failiure, it wont happen again anytime soon, and even if it did you would come straight back down again get real ffs. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/malky.gif