Cameron in the kacky?

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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN

Whose he?
Why don't you get back to work now and let me go through my offshore portfolio-I'm bantered out for now Josef.

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Jacob Rees mogg

Until next time

The right hon j. Stalin

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Originally Posted by Vimana.

Ooops, its not going away ... Cameron really under the cosh now.

I'm sure the lines of 'right and wrong' are a little blurred, but nevertheless the guy has found himself in a situation where he now reeks of hypocrisy, and also appears to have been avoiding telling the full truth. Not good for a PM...

I bet he wishes everyone just went back to talking about him with his todger that pigs head again ..

Will be interesting to see how/if he gets out of this one.
And terrifying as to what might follow if he doesn't. Frying pan .. fire.
Lucky ol' Britain ..

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One of the unusual things about this story is the way the Tory press are giving Cameron a shoeing. All about Brexit innit.

He must be reeling after a decade of fawning press support. Getting a small taste of what Milliband, Corbyn etc have to put up with.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Jacob Rees mogg

Until next time

The right hon j. Stalin

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I'll send you a card from the BVI.

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Originally Posted by Vimana.

Ooops, its not going away ... Cameron really under the cosh now.

I'm sure the lines of 'right and wrong' are a little blurred, but nevertheless the guy has found himself in a situation where he now reeks of hypocrisy, and also appears to have been avoiding telling the full truth. Not good for a PM...

I bet he wishes everyone just went back to talking about him with his todger that pigs head again ..

Will be interesting to see how/if he gets out of this one.
And terrifying as to what might follow if he doesn't. Frying pan .. fire.
Lucky ol' Britain ..

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I'd love to know what Cameron had to do to get that story to go away. Clearly he had made an enemy of someone he shouldn't have. There was talk of releasing a picture of the incident at one point, but now it's all quietly gone away.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I'd love to know what Cameron had to do to get that story to go away. Clearly he had made an enemy of someone he shouldn't have. There was talk of releasing a picture of the incident at one point, but now it's all quietly gone away.

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Perhaps the fact that was probably a load of junk helped!!

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Originally Posted by Barry Dragon

Not sure why this gets much attention. His father created a vehicle to invest in USD stock, not an illegal tax avoidance scheme.

There are so many more newsworthy stories where things are very wrong. This is not one of them. Seems to me to be a distraction technique by the press that are owned by people who are doing dodgy tax deals. Don't get distracted from the real story.

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If it wasn't set up to avoid tax, why set it up in a tax haven?

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I'd love to know what Cameron had to do to get that story to go away. Clearly he had made an enemy of someone he shouldn't have. There was talk of releasing a picture of the incident at one point, but now it's all quietly gone away.

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The pig made a complaint.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Perhaps the fact that was probably a load of junk helped!!

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Christ its Maggie rushing in to defend the pig stuffer , what a surprise

Be very afraid of pip by the way , I did say pip not pig elwood

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Christ its Maggie rushing in to defend the pig stuffer , what a surprise

Be very afraid of pip by the way , I did say pip not pig elwood

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Oh dear God I was not defending him.

Calling me Maggie was a bit pathetic my politics are not hers.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Oh dear God I was not defending him.

Calling me Maggie was a bit pathetic my politics are not hers.

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If you disagree with Sludge by his definition that makes you a Maggie or a Norman lol.Humour him!!Nice enough so they say.:hehe:

On a purely party political level, I've enjoyed seeing the Conservative Party squirm since Monday, but I can't help thinking that a lot of what she says in this piece

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...over-up-labour

is true.

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Originally Posted by Barry Dragon

I dont speak for myself. I am not ignorant enough to claim what I would do if I had loads of money.

And your right plenty of rich people donate to charity.... to avoid paying tax. Its a common tax avoidance measure. Dont trust those that donate loads to money, they are normally doing it to make themselves feel better for other dodgy practices.

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I'm shocked so many people know all the intrinsic details of uk tax law but not the difference between 'your' and 'you're'

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Oh dear God I was not defending him.

Calling me Maggie was a bit pathetic my politics are not hers.

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You vote Tory

Watch out for pip

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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN

If you disagree with Sludge by his definition that makes you a Maggie or a Norman lol.Humour him!!Nice enough so they say.:hehe:

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A Tory is a Tory , never trust a Tory , ever

And who thinks it's just a) Cameron who has been hypocritical on this or b) profiteering off a scheme which would and should be described as "morally wrong"?

Getting Cameron to resign will not be the same as getting those in Westminster to treat this as a serious issue when it's a serious possibility that they and so many of their friends are doing exactly the same thing. We can stop those tax havens under UK sovereignty though and demand a greater transparency as we were the ones who prevented it.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You vote Tory

Watch out for pip

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Yes I am worried about PIP.

But which party breached the dyke by changing Incapacity Benefit into ESA and bringing in the whole concept of interviewing virtually all recipients and all the angst that has caused.

If Labour hadn't done that I reckon the coalition would have found it much harder to convert DLA to PIP.

Anyone on here know Croesyblue's thoughts on the Cameron scandle?



If so please keep them to yourself.

Prime minister admits to cashing in some shares and paying all taxes due. He also admits to having no offshore investments. Shame on him!

But it's good fun watching him squirm.

Well .. yesterday he seemed to be in a very tight corner.

Today he has said ' hey .. these poor responses of mine and the other stuff, y'know being a hypocrite and stuff - well ...umm...err blame ...me! '

And that seems to have alleviated that spot of bother.
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Originally Posted by Vimana.

Well .. yesterday he seemed to be in a very tight corner.

Today he has said ' hey .. these poor responses of mine and the other stuff, y'know being a hypocrite and stuff - well ...umm...err blame ...me! '

And that seems to have alleviated that spot of bother.
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Once a wanker :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Yes I am worried about PIP.

But which party breached the dyke by changing Incapacity Benefit into ESA and bringing in the whole concept of interviewing virtually all recipients and all the angst that has caused.

If Labour hadn't done that I reckon the coalition would have found it much harder to convert DLA to PIP.

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Well you are wrong mate as the Tories brought in incapacity , and tribunals and interviews have been going on for years , I should know , I have helped loads through the process.....ESA under labour was merely a name change

As for pip even if you are a Tory and by voting for them you have helped them bring this in to replace DLA , if you need an experienced advice and welfare benefits worker to help get the person involved through just drop me a PM and I will give you her number ....believe me you are going to need her help , I am no longer up to date and this woman is top notch on the legal aspect

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well you are wrong mate as the Tories brought in incapacity , and tribunals and interviews have been going on for years , I should know , I have helped loads through the process.....ESA under labour was merely a name change

As for pip even if you are a Tory and by voting for them you have helped them bring this in to replace DLA , if you need an experienced advice and welfare benefits worker to help get the person involved through just drop me a PM and I will give you her number ....believe me you are going to need her help , I am no longer up to date and this woman is top notch on the legal aspect

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Thanks regarding the PIP person Sludge. I may well do this. Looking at the forms they are very similar to the last set of DLA forms I did nearly 10 years ago,but those took me weeks trying to get the phraseology right.Found a very good web site which was invaluable.


Regarding ESA,yes I am aware that John Major brought them in, and yes tribunals and assessments were always there but Labour brought in the Work Capability Assessment in 2008 which was far more stringent than the All Work Test introduced with IB in 1995 and meant that everyone had to go through the face to face Assessment which had been far from the case with IB.

This widening of the assessment process was brought into the DLA replacement PIP by the coalition, which is why I said Labour breached the dyke.

Non story, he has not done anything wrong.

How many normal people have got their parents to put properties into their childrens names to avoid healthcare costs or taxes?

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Originally Posted by DP1

Non story, he has not done anything wrong.

How many normal people have got their parents to put properties into their childrens names to avoid healthcare costs or taxes?

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EXACTAMUNDO.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

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Originally Posted by DP1

Non story, he has not done anything wrong.

How many normal people have got their parents to put properties into their childrens names to avoid healthcare costs or taxes?

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First of all. There is a difference between an individuals moral compass and what is illegal/legal. Many things are legal which I deem to be wrong, and vice versa.

Secondly I think it is important for the country to know what they are voting for. The Tory party and current government claims to be fully against and tackling aggressive tax avoidance but their leader grew up in a family where avoiding UK tax was seen as a sensible decision.

This 5000 shares thing is very convenient for DC because it allows him the opportunity to draw a line under this whole issue, when in reality the story was never about his own dealings but his fathers and how they may have affected DC's life chances/moral compass with regards to tax avoidance.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

First of all. There is a difference between an individuals moral compass and what is illegal/legal. Many things are legal which I deem to be wrong, and vice versa.

Secondly I think it is important for the country to know what they are voting for. The Tory party and current government claims to be fully against and tackling aggressive tax avoidance but their leader grew up in a family where avoiding UK tax was seen as a sensible decision.

This 5000 shares thing is very convenient for DC because it allows him the opportunity to draw a line under this whole issue, when in reality the story was never about his own dealings but his fathers and how they may have affected DC's life chances/moral compass with regards to tax avoidance.

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Best post on this subject so far:thumbup:

So a new edge to this story today. £200k gift from his mother after his father's death. Now using gifts to avoid inheritance tax is a tax avoidance measure used by even some lowly earning individuals. Interested to see if the Tory haters find this wrong aswell.

Remember its not his fault he has wealth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36007718

And his 2014-15 tax return shows he paid nearly 38% tax on his income. Would struggle to find many that pay as much as that.

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Originally Posted by Barry Dragon

So a new edge to this story today. £200k gift from his mother after his father's death. Now using gifts to avoid inheritance tax is a tax avoidance measure used by even some lowly earning individuals. Interested to see if the Tory haters find this wrong aswell.

Remember its not his fault he has wealth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36007718

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Spot on mate. Who among us can honestly say we haven't received £200,000 tax-free from Mater?

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Originally Posted by Barry Dragon

So a new edge to this story today. £200k gift from his mother after his father's death. Now using gifts to avoid inheritance tax is a tax avoidance measure used by even some lowly earning individuals. Interested to see if the Tory haters find this wrong aswell.

Remember its not his fault he has wealth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36007718

And his 2014-15 tax return shows he paid nearly 38% tax on his income. Would struggle to find many that pay as much as that.

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None of these stories are being peddled by the Tory haters but by the Tory supporting press. Certainly something fishy going on. Someone somewhere has flicked a switch to say Cameron is suddenly fair game after years of protection.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

A Tory is a Tory , never trust a Tory , ever

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Nor anyone who is left of Lenin!!!!:tumbleweed:

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

None of these stories are being peddled by the Tory haters but by the Tory supporting press. Certainly something fishy going on. Someone somewhere has flicked a switch to say Cameron is suddenly fair game after years of protection.

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Brexit is going on. Most of the right wing press are Brexit supporters.

The Press and the Tory Party know that Cameron is going to leave meaning the knives are out for an early departure especially if he loses the referendum. The odd thing is that Cameron has done nothing wrong and seemingly is being criticised for the tax practices of his father.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Thanks regarding the PIP person Sludge. I may well do this. Looking at the forms they are very similar to the last set of DLA forms I did nearly 10 years ago,but those took me weeks trying to get the phraseology right.Found a very good web site which was invaluable.


Regarding ESA,yes I am aware that John Major brought them in, and yes tribunals and assessments were always there but Labour brought in the Work Capability Assessment in 2008 which was far more stringent than the All Work Test introduced with IB in 1995 and meant that everyone had to go through the face to face Assessment which had been far from the case with IB.

This widening of the assessment process was brought into the DLA replacement PIP by the coalition, which is why I said Labour breached the dyke.

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Benefits and work is a very good website run by Steve donnison

I will PM you this ladies number if you need it

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Spot on mate. Who among us can honestly say we haven't received £200,000 tax-free from Mater?

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Pmsl

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Originally Posted by Barry Dragon

So a new edge to this story today. £200k gift from his mother after his father's death. Now using gifts to avoid inheritance tax is a tax avoidance measure used by even some lowly earning individuals. Interested to see if the Tory haters find this wrong aswell.

Remember its not his fault he has wealth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36007718

And his 2014-15 tax return shows he paid nearly 38% tax on his income. Would struggle to find many that pay as much as that.

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St Tony of Benn

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...se-it-too.html

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Originally Posted by Vindec

The Press and the Tory Party know that Cameron is going to leave meaning the knives are out for an early departure especially if he loses the referendum. The odd thing is that Cameron has done nothing wrong and seemingly is being criticised for the tax practices of his father.

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Perhaps Cameron should have kept his gob shot then instead of rushing into criticise Jimmy Carr's tax affairs. Besides when our PrimeMinister insists we are all in it together and is then implicated in morally dubious activities it leaves a sour taste especially at a time when money is being clawed back from the disabled and foodbanks are growing in numbers.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Spot on mate. Who among us can honestly say we haven't received £200,000 tax-free from Mater?

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Not me or you. But it is far more common than you would think. There are 715000 millionaires in the UK.

With regards to the tax planning, I think it is wrong that you can buy your way out of tax. Know the right Accountant and he will save you a good chunk of money. These schemes should either be common place or outlawed, not for those with the money and the nous. Not a little trick for people to use

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Perhaps Cameron should have kept his gob shot then instead of rushing into criticise Jimmy Carr's tax affairs. Besides when our PrimeMinister insists we are all in it together and is then implicated in morally dubious activities it leaves a sour taste especially at a time when money is being clawed back from the disabled and foodbanks are growing in numbers.

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Guy who pays 38% tax on his income criticises someone who only paid 1% on his income. Think that is a fair criticism. Even if he had used some schemes before, there is a difference between tax planning and aggressive tax avoidance.

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Originally Posted by Dénia Bluebird

In which case yiu should be grateful. 5 years of Corbyn's Trotsky fiddlings would have buried Britain. Labour will never return to poeer with that jerk at the helm.

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Couldnt agree more. Britain needs to be ruled with a right wing iron fist not some lefty ponce.

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Originally Posted by kingbillyboy

Couldnt agree more. Britain needs to be ruled with a right wing iron fist not some lefty ponce.

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