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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
I'm thinking that they only know what they are told the same as us, if I'm 100% honest (and this will probably be taken the wrong way as usual) I really do not care if we will be financially better off or not, I care if people will be better off, I couldn't care less if Cameron is up there sharing the stage with the worlds top ten leaders, it means jack shit if behind the scenes people are still having to use food banks and sleeping on the streets of this country, I would rather us be a nobody in the world and a bit worse off if it means the interests of people are considered before large corporations ect
I agree with most of that but what evidence is there that our society will be a better place under a right wing Tory Government who don't have to adhere to EU regulations which as our scientists,midwives,environmentalists say has made our country a better and safer place.
I also share your cynicism of establishments by the way. However if we leave the EU the right wing of he Tory party will take control of our Government. They are a scary heartless bunch of shits who do not give a toss for the homeless and others who are also poorly off. They would certainly sell off the NHS and privatise the air that we breath.
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az city
I could (just about) vote but I'm not going to because it wouldn't be right because I have no dog in the fight. I read through this thread and I think your position is you want what's best for everyone both socially and economically. I hope I'm not paraphrasing horribly. The things is, to me, that means you should vote to stay and accept the status quo is pretty good and gives you the stability and prosperity and individual rights you crave. Leaving is just one huge jump in the dark. The EU is not perfect but it has delivered in terms of peace, prosperity, and human rights. Why vote to leave when nobody has a goo idea what awaits?
You left !!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
You left !!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by
TruBlue
:hehe:
You just couldn't make it up could you!!,
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
If the vote was the other way around would you vote to join, join the Euro and also Schengen ? - not sure I would to be honest.
Hannan would be great as PM - not so sure about Gove or Fox.
And to someone who said imagine what damage the Tories could do with 4 more years - maybe true - Im sure we can all remember the damage the last Labour govt did - Corbyn and McDonnell would be much worse
so vote for someone else?????????????
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Originally Posted by
waynekerr55
Will that show up on my bill?
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Originally Posted by
Claude Blue
. Now you probably distrust the IMF, OECD, IFS, HMT, BoE, etc.
NQAT
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Steve R
NQAT
PMSL STFU FFS
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
That's what everyone is going to end up doing as you wont get 100% truth and facts from either side.
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Originally Posted by
az city
I could (just about) vote but I'm not going to because it wouldn't be right because I have no dog in the fight. I read through this thread and I think your position is you want what's best for everyone both socially and economically. I hope I'm not paraphrasing horribly. The things is, to me, that means you should vote to stay and accept the status quo is pretty good and gives you the stability and prosperity and individual rights you crave. Leaving is just one huge jump in the dark. The EU is not perfect but it has delivered in terms of peace, prosperity, and human rights. Why vote to leave when nobody has a goo idea what awaits?
She won't mate and believe me, I've tried. I think it's because I wouldn't go to see ELO with her.
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When Gorbachev dismantled the USSR he could not understand why we, in western Europe wanted to create a EU SSR.
Brendan Barber states that if we leave wages will go down. What a bare faced lie. The fact is that millions of eastern Europeans have come to this country, and are willing to work for half the rate that Brits are willing to do the job for. They have in fact held back wages, which is why big business is in favour of staying in. If they believed staying in was going to reduce labor costs, they'd be in the Brexit camp in an instant.
I don't want to live in a colony of the EU, I want to get home rule back for The UK.
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
You left !!!!!!!
So? Don't resort to informal fallacies.
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Originally Posted by
az city
So? Don't resort to informal fallacies.
:wave: Aye, you possibly should worry more about what is going on in your Country at the moment or perhaps you will be voting for Donald :wales:
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If you are undecided then the fact that two dull right wing Jacks want to leave the EU should persuade anyone with a modicum of decency to vote to stay in!!
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ZZ Jack
When Gorbachev dismantled the USSR he could not understand why we, in western Europe wanted to create a EU SSR.
Brendan Barber states that if we leave wages will go down. What a bare faced lie. The fact is that millions of eastern Europeans have come to this country, and are willing to work for half the rate that Brits are willing to do the job for. They have in fact held back wages, which is why big business is in favour of staying in. If they believed staying in was going to reduce labor costs, they'd be in the Brexit camp in an instant.
I don't want to live in a colony of the EU, I want to get home rule back for The UK.
Jesus Christ :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Claude Blue
If you are undecided then the fact that two dull right wing Jacks want to leave the EU should persuade anyone with a modicum of decency to vote to stay in!!
Why when not fitting in with your utopia, does everyone have to be right wing?, I note you tried to put Mrs R in that bracket the other night but basically when challenged had to withdraw, can people not come to their own conclusion regarding Europe without being labelled anything ?
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Steve R
She won't mate and believe me, I've tried. I think it's because I wouldn't go to see ELO with her.
:hehe: I would rather vote to stay in the EU than go to see Status Quo.
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Originally Posted by
az city
I could (just about) vote but I'm not going to because it wouldn't be right because I have no dog in the fight. I read through this thread and I think your position is you want what's best for everyone both socially and economically. I hope I'm not paraphrasing horribly. The things is, to me, that means you should vote to stay and accept the status quo is pretty good and gives you the stability and prosperity and individual rights you crave. Leaving is just one huge jump in the dark. The EU is not perfect but it has delivered in terms of peace, prosperity, and human rights. Why vote to leave when nobody has a good idea what awaits?
I have an idea what awaits, that's why I want to leave.
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
I agree with most of that but what evidence is there that our society will be a better place under a right wing Tory Government who don't have to adhere to EU regulations which as our scientists,midwives,environmentalists say has made our country a better and safer place.
I also share your cynicism of establishments by the way. However if we leave the EU the right wing of he Tory party will take control of our Government. They are a scary heartless bunch of shits who do not give a toss for the homeless and others who are also poorly off. They would certainly sell off the NHS and privatise the air that we breath.
I see it as a choice between voting the Tories in for 4 years or voting the Tories in for life, neither would be my first choice but I can't change the options, (sent you a pm) :thumbup:
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Here she goes with her 'Multi-Quote' shit again.
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
Why when not fitting in with your utopia, does everyone have to be right wing?, I note you tried to put Mrs R in that bracket the other night but basically when challenged had to withdraw, can people not come to their own conclusion regarding Europe without being labelled anything ?
It was a joke you silly boy.
But, seeing as you asked, if you look at their posts you will see that they are right wing so my assertion stands.
As for Mrs. R. I did not accuse her of being right wing just that the vast majority of the leaders in the Brexit camp come from the right of British politics.
For the record I don't see her as right wing at all, just very anti-establishment and a tad paranoid!!
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Claude Blue
It was a joke you silly boy.
But, seeing as you asked, if you look at their posts you will see that they are right wing so my assertion stands.
As for Mrs. R. I did not accuse her of being right wing just that the vast majority of the leaders in the Brexit camp come from the right of British politics.
For the record I don't see her as right wing at all, just very anti-establishment and a tad paranoid!!
On the condescending side as well old man.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Will that show up on my bill?
Tungsten tip screws?
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Originally Posted by
Claude Blue
It was a joke you silly boy.
But, seeing as you asked, if you look at their posts you will see that they are right wing so my assertion stands.
As for Mrs. R. I did not accuse her of being right wing just that the vast majority of the leaders in the Brexit camp come from the right of British politics.
For the record I don't see her as right wing at all, just very anti-establishment and a tad paranoid!!
Do you not remember saying that anyone wanting to leave the EU is aligning themselves with their views in this thread? I'm a woman, you should know I wouldn't forget :hehe:
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...ghlight=Brexit
I'm not anti-establishment, I'm anti-corrupt-establishment and I'm not paranoid, if I was I would think people were out to get me personally and I don't, many things I moan about don't even affect me so how does that make me paranoid?
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Mrs Steve R
I'm not paranoid, if I was I would think people were out to get me personally and I don't, many things I moan about don't even affect me so how does that make me paranoid?
'If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to worry about.' ©TruBlue
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Mrs Steve R
Do you not remember saying that anyone wanting to leave the EU is aligning themselves with their views in this thread? I'm a woman, you should know I wouldn't forget :hehe:
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...ghlight=Brexit
I'm not anti-establishment, I'm anti-corrupt-establishment and I'm not paranoid, if I was I would think people were out to get me personally and I don't, many things I moan about don't even affect me so how does that make me paranoid?
I do indeed remember!
You may not like the association with such characters but if you read into their reasonings for leaving the EU then you will perhaps understand what I'm getting at. I respectfully suggest that you also look at their neocon policies with regard to economic policy, welfare, the NHS, climate change, etc.
When you put these together you see the leaders of Brexit advocating distasteful policies in virtually all areas and are typical small-minded nationalists and isolationists. FWIW and judging by your posts on here I don't see you espousing such policies and beliefs, hence my surprise that you wish to leave the EU.
On your penultimate point you say you're anti "corrupt establishment" which I would suspect we would all agree with. Except those who are benefiting of course!
I'll withdraw the paranoid comment.
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Claude Blue
I do indeed remember!
You may not like the association with such characters but if you read into their reasonings for leaving the EU then you will perhaps understand what I'm getting at. I respectfully suggest that you also look at their neocon policies with regard to economic policy, welfare, the NHS, climate change, etc.
When you put these together you see the leaders of Brexit advocating distasteful policies in virtually all areas and are typical small-minded nationalists and isolationists. FWIW and judging by your posts on here I don't see you espousing such policies and beliefs, hence my surprise that you wish to leave the EU.
On your penultimate point you say you're anti "corrupt establishment" which I would suspect we would all agree with. Except those who are benefiting of course!
I'll withdraw the paranoid comment.
Pity, as it was the only thing you had right. :biggrin:
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Originally Posted by
Claude Blue
I do indeed remember!
You may not like the association with such characters but if you read into their reasonings for leaving the EU then you will perhaps understand what I'm getting at. I respectfully suggest that you also look at their neocon policies with regard to economic policy, welfare, the NHS, climate change, etc.
When you put these together you see the leaders of Brexit advocating distasteful policies in virtually all areas and are typical small-minded nationalists and isolationists. FWIW and judging by your posts on here I don't see you espousing such policies and beliefs, hence my surprise that you wish to leave the EU.
On your penultimate point you say you're anti "corrupt establishment" which I would suspect we would all agree with. Except those who are benefiting of course!
I'll withdraw the paranoid comment.
I understand where you are coming from, I'm actually surprised that certain people I know want to stay in, I can only assume that the press has done a good job on them, why else would they want to stay in and be stuck with a bunch of self serving, anti-democratic, power mad, corrupt scumbags who are hell bent on owning and controlling everything? beats me.
Corruption across EU was described as 'breathtaking' by the EU Commission in their anti-corruption report, I searched for the story on the bbc web site (just for you)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26014387
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs...cr_2014_en.pdf
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, thanks for withdrawing the paranoia comment though, one less thing for me to worry about. :hehe:
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TruBlue
Pity, as it was the only thing you had right.
:hehe: Don't you start.
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TruBlue
Pity, as it was the only thing you had right. :biggrin:
:hehe:
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stuck with a bunch of self serving, anti-democratic, power mad, corrupt scumbags
Are you not aware of the U.K government?
In or out won't make a bit of difference to that.
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Croesy Blue
Are you not aware of the U.K government?
In or out won't make a bit of difference to that.
Indeed. Worse still. The logical conclusion of leaving the EU is that Cameron resigns and the Tories lurch even more to the right. Scotland has another independence referendum and this times votes to leave. Let's not forget they near!y did in 2014 with 45% wanting to go their own way.
That would mean England and Wales could be stuck with the Tories in power for decades.
Mrs SR. Is it that what you want? What you really really want? So tell me what you want? What you really really want?
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Pearcey3
Indeed. Worse still. The logical conclusion of leaving the EU is that Cameron resigns and the Tories lurch even more to the right. Scotland has another independence referendum and this times votes to leave. Let's not forget they near!y did in 2014 with 45% wanting to go their own way.
That would mean England and Wales could be stuck with the Tories in power for decades.
Mrs SR. Is it that what you want? What you really really want? So tell me what you want? What you really really want?
Scotland won't get another referendum until the UK government lets them so in or out makes no difference.
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goslow
Scotland won't get another referendum until the UK government lets them so in or out makes no difference.
They will be gone in the next 10 years, regardless of an in or out vote in june.
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goslow
Scotland won't get another referendum until the UK government lets them so in or out makes no difference.
They'll definitely get one if we leave the eu
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goslow
Scotland won't get another referendum until the UK government lets them so in or out makes no difference.
I think the UK Government will bow to the inevitable. It's difficult to see how they could deny the Scots another referendum if the Scots voted to stay in the EU but we pull out. The outers can't have it all ways. It would turn very nasty and the SNP could rightly argue that there had been a fundamental change brought about by the English voters fully justifying another independence vote.
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Pearcey3
I think the UK Government will bow to the inevitable. It's difficult to see how they could deny the Scots another referendum if the Scots voted to stay in the EU but we pull out. The outers can't have it all ways. It would turn very nasty and the SNP could rightly argue that there had been a fundamental change brought about by the English voters fully justifying another independence vote.
If you watched the question time episode on thursday (would recommend it, was good), theres a guy on there who when questioned about a scottish out vote after brexit, replied with 'I see it as the best of both worlds.' What made it funnier was Alex Salmond was sat next to him :hehe:
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That hedge fund manager was an absolute pillock
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tommy31
If you watched the question time episode on thursday (would recommend it, was good), theres a guy on there who when questioned about a scottish out vote after brexit, replied with 'I see it as the best of both worlds.' What made it funnier was Alex Salmond was sat next to him :hehe:
I saw some of it but not that part. The Question Time panel seems to get more and more right wing these days.
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tommy31
They will be gone in the next 10 years, regardless of an in or out vote in june.
What happens if 55% of them vote to stay in again...now that oil prices have ruined their argument that they can live off the stuff.
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Ainsley Harriott
What happens if 55% of them vote to stay in again...now that oil prices have ruined their argument that they can live off the stuff.
They'll want to leave because they've been forced to do something they didnt want to do. Economics won't come into it
