the rise of ukip

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

NinianClark is spot on. The Senedd badly needed UKIP to inject some spice into the debate but people won't be happy unless it's full to the brim of leftie luvvies like Charlotte Church.

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Do you seriously think the likes of Neil Hamilton and Mark Reckless give a toss about Welsh people? Seriously?

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Originally Posted by tommy31

FPTP works well for 2 party politics. Fortunately we've grown up and it's a thing of the past. If we took the 40 FPTP seats and allocated proportionally we'd have had: Labour 14, Cons 8.5 PC 8.5, UKIP 5, LD 3, Greens 1. much more representative parliament rather than a party getting half the seats with 33% of the vote

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We agree on something!!! :-)

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

By the time the next Welsh Assembly comes around you will have had 21 YEARS of Labour - dont even you think we need a change ? , Welsh Labour dont a toss about Welsh people as they know full well they can do what they want - feck as many things up as they want and they will STILL be voted back in.

Reckless has a brain , not sure about Hamilton. Edwina Hutt and Jane Hart are 2 of the most dullest people I have ever seen in Welsh politics - and the list for that accolade is a quite long.

Just like people on here say they despise ukip voters (I was not one of those voters) - I despair of the welsh voting electorate , what was it a 43% turn out and they all , like sheep vote Labour because they always have done.

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I think that you will find the truth is not usually appreciated in these parts.

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Do you seriously think the likes of [insert name of almost any politician] give a toss about [ ] people? Seriously?

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FYP ? :ohwell:

I had maybe 8 choices on my ballot paper so wanting to oust Labour (or elements of the Labour party) is not a good enough reason to vote for UKIP.

Give me a dull politician who cares and has a plan to deal with the issues over someone who is different and "not boring" any day.

Some may be sheep (like some may be racist) but that doesn't mean Labour have nothing to offer Wales nor that they may offer less than anyone else. That's your decision but voting UKIP should be done on believing they offer more than the others and yet no one has mentioned a policy, it's always been about being "not Labour " or "not dull".

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Originally Posted by Elysium

I think that you will find the truth is not usually appreciated in these parts.

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If you ever discover truth you might be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

If you ever discover truth you might be appreciated.

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The same applies to you, Eric.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Rather than be argumentative for the sake of it, I reckon you are 100% correct in that ukip voters just wanted Labour out, however regarding policy, I wonder how many Labour voters knew what they were voting on, you know the saying in Wales, put a red ribbon around a turd and it'll get a resounding victory. I wonder how many voters go to the poll voting on policy ?

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Well this is clearly the problem with politics in the UK in general. To provide a little bit of balance. I live in England, my MP is MArk Prisk. I would prefer if his party were nowhere near government but he's always seemed like a decent guy to me (helped my family with a couple of things). Down the road is Grant Shapps territory. He is incapable, thick as shit, happy to **** anyone over for a few pence and a complete ****. Yet, because he is Tory candidate, he wins his seat by a country mile.

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Originally Posted by Elysium

I think that you will find the truth is not usually appreciated in these parts.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

If you ever discover truth you might be appreciated.

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Why did you have to bring up that betting slip again? It's just cruel! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Why did you have to bring up that betting slip again? It's just cruel! :hehe:

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Jon, I'd appreciate a response to the other post rather than just pathetic, childish diversion.

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Originally Posted by Elysium

Jon, I'd appreciate a response to the other post rather than just pathetic, childish diversion.

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Jon?

I think it's checking great that despite all the doom and gloom at least alun cairns lovechild Ross England failed to beat labour by a few hundred votes ......and as for that bloke from torfaen munching on a Gregg's sausage roll blaming labour for his failed life , you couldn't make it up

I like corbyn but the disaster of losing so many seats to the SNP and all the Tory lies on balancing the books means socialists need to look elsewhere

This country is burnt out and the Tories are doing a great job of ****ing anyone but themselves

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Originally Posted by Elysium

Jon?

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Croesy ?

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Originally Posted by Elysium

Jon, I'd appreciate a response to the other post rather than just pathetic, childish diversion.

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You'd appreciate it if someone doesn't do what you do then?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Croesy ?

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I'm just awaiting a response from Jon, sludge. Calm down.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

You'd appreciate it if someone doesn't do what you do then?

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No I'd just appreciate a response from Jon, that's all.

Mate.

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Originally Posted by Elysium

I'm just awaiting a response from Jon, sludge. Calm down.

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He would tie you up in knots , he's probably having a cuppa

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well that's because it's not the truth , basically

**** all you right wing clowns , your time in the shit storm will come

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Care to explain?

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Originally Posted by Elysium

No I'd just appreciate a response from Jon, that's all.

Mate.

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Any reason for being in such provocative mood ce soir? Maid ran off with the cooking sherry again?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

He would tie you up in knots , he's probably having a cuppa

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Probably a million better things to do than waste time arguing with Elysium/Croesy.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

He would tie you up in knots , he's probably having a cuppa

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No, Splodge, it's because he has no answer whatsoever to what I have said.

A little like you actually.

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Originally Posted by Elysium

No, Splodge, it's because he has no answer whatsoever to what I have said.

A little like you actually.

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Yet you come out with answers, accurate replies and educated responses on a regular basis. I am in awe.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

As abhorrent as it is to yourself and others,
what have the other lot done for, in your words, for the Jeremy Kyle fan club ?
perhaps the Jeremy Kyle fan club have voted for UKIP on other issues other than your perception, I haven't seen the interview.
I'm glad I live in a society where everyone is entitled to vote. Do you think that individuals should be denied a right to vote because they voted for UKIP ?, I am presuming that your post is based on the racism issue?, apologies if I have misinterpreted, I actually thought that racism was outlawed in the U.K and thus if UKIP were deemed to be a racist party then they would be outlawed, but just like about any law in this country, it's murky and clouded and can be read however you want to read it, surely the best way to deal with UKIP is for the so called main stream parties to get their own acts together, then these fringe based parties will dissapear, I also despair, but my despair is from the, having put up with the two party cartel for 55 years watching the rich get richer whilst the the Jeremy Kyle fan club has been swept into the gutter, the despair has driven me to PC!!!!!!.

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No, I think some people should be denied a vote because they're stupid. Give me a rationale reason why you, or anyone lose, voted for whichever party they vote for and you won't get an argument from me, but in my opinion, large swathes of the British public will vote for whatever party last nights chip wrapper told them to.

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Originally Posted by TH63

No, I think some people should be denied a vote because they're stupid. Give me a rationale reason why you, or anyone lose, voted for whichever party they vote for and you won't get an argument from me, but in my opinion, large swathes of the British public will vote for whatever party last nights chip wrapper told them to.

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Impossible, though I can understand where you're coming from.

The problem is that we can all probably have our own definition of what we regard as idiots politically (Elysium, cough), but because we all have different opinions, there is technically no such thing as a stupid voter (apart from Elysium).

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Impossible, though I can understand where you're coming from.

The problem is that we can all probably have our own definition of what we regard as idiots politically (Elysium, cough), but because we all have different opinions, there is technically no such thing as a stupid voter (apart from Elysium).

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You are the stupid one politically, son, not me.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

By the time the next Welsh Assembly comes around you will have had 21 YEARS of Labour - dont even you think we need a change ? , Welsh Labour dont a toss about Welsh people as they know full well they can do what they want - feck as many things up as they want and they will STILL be voted back in.

Reckless has a brain , not sure about Hamilton. Edwina Hutt and Jane Hart are 2 of the most dullest people I have ever seen in Welsh politics - and the list for that accolade is a quite long.

Just like people on here say they despise ukip voters (I was not one of those voters) - I despair of the welsh voting electorate , what was it a 43% turn out and they all , like sheep vote Labour because they always have done.

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Do you think the Tories give a toss about us?

Christ, I even had a letter through my door from David Cameron (key marginal see) banging on about how Labour cannot be trusted to run the NHS in Wales! I mean SERIOUSLY???

Regular followers of my political post will know I'm no Labourite, but I voted for the person who has demonstrated to me that she actually cares about the people in our constituency, rather than the party she's a member of.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Impossible, though I can understand where you're coming from.

The problem is that we can all probably have our own definition of what we regard as idiots politically (Elysium, cough), but because we all have different opinions, there is technically no such thing as a stupid voter (apart from Elysium).

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Oh I agree it's impossible.
It's the same thing with the EU referendum. Leading economists and academics can't agree on which would be best for the country, I for one certainly don't feel qualified to make a decision on such an important issue, but ultimately our futures and our children's futures are about to be decided on by sun readers.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

British people want a passionless posh sounding, posh looking guy telling us what to think.

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Really?

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Originally Posted by TH63

"We need to worry about the people we've got not let more in"

I despair

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so UKIP voters are idiots because they just voted UKIP because they were not labour ( according to some on here )

Yet you have nailed why ( we suspect ) a fair % voted UKIP, immigration

We all know why UKIP will do well, the immigration issues, they shout the loudest about it and it will tick the box of some voters, of course if they didnt have the " racist " tag, then i wonder if more would vote

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Originally Posted by tommy31

vote for someone who best represents your views, and if there's nobody who's close (which I highly doubt given the range of parties standing in every seat) then spoil your ballot. but go in and use your vote.

On a side note, you are wrong. I thought my political views were pretty clear on here haha, clearly not.

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Suppose there are 5 issues of concern to me (immigration, the NHS, sovereignty etc) for which I have pro- and anti- stances. There are 2 to the power 5 combinations = 32. Thus there would need to be 32 different options to reflect everyone's position accurately in an election. How many seats had 32 candidates? ...

I give you your new AM "Mr Spoiled Ballot". My point stands - UKIP are over-represented.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Impossible, though I can understand where you're coming from.

The problem is that we can all probably have our own definition of what we regard as idiots politically (Elysium, cough), but because we all have different opinions, there is technically no such thing as a stupid voter (apart from Elysium).

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You really are an abhorrent individual for making personal comments such as that.

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Originally Posted by Elysium

You really are an abhorrent individual for making personal comments such as that.

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Oh dear. Never knew you had a sense of humour bypass. Actually, I did.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Oh dear. Never knew you had a sense of humour bypass. Actually, I did.

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No sense of humour bypass. Why did you pick on me individually, that's, that's all?

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Originally Posted by blue matt

so UKIP voters are idiots because they just voted UKIP because they were not labour ( according to some on here )

Yet you have nailed why ( we suspect ) a fair % voted UKIP, immigration

We all know why UKIP will do well, the immigration issues, they shout the loudest about it and it will tick the box of some voters, of course if they didnt have the " racist " tag, then i wonder if more would vote

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No, that's not what I said.

I merely commented based on the people interviewed on Wales Today from the streets of Torfaen. Personally I wouldn't let them decide what to have for their supper, never mind who their next am or mp should be.

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Originally Posted by TH63

No, that's not what I said.

I merely commented based on the people interviewed on Wales Today from the streets of Torfaen. Personally I wouldn't let them decide what to have for their supper, never mind who their next am or mp should be.

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i didnt say you said that, notice my " ( according to some on here ) "

still doesnt change the fact that they voted UKIP for one likely reason

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Originally Posted by Elysium

No sense of humour bypass. Why did you pick on me individually, that's, that's all?

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Sorry. How's the treatment for paranoia going?

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Originally Posted by blue matt

i didnt say you said that, notice my " ( according to some on here ) "

still doesnt change the fact that they voted UKIP for one likely reason

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Ok. But yes, you're right.

UKIP are the politics of fear.

This is what's wrong with your life.
This is how it's going to get worse.
These are who are to blame.

I'm a good bloke who likes a pint just like you and I'm the one who's going to sort it all out, please vote for me.

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Originally Posted by TH63

Ok. But yes, you're right.

UKIP are the politics of fear.

This is what's wrong with your life.
This is how it's going to get worse.
These are who are to blame.

I'm a good bloke who likes a pint just like you and I'm the one who's going to sort it all out, please vote for me.

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isnt that what the old labour party used to do though ? ? ?

the working man etc etc etc they seem to have gone now and someone will fill that void

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Originally Posted by blue matt

isnt that what the old labour party used to do though ? ? ?

the working man etc etc etc they seem to have gone now and someone will fill that void

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Maybe.

I just find it strange that the good people of Torfaen, hardly the cultural melting pot of London, Birmingham or Leciseter, have somehow come to the conclusion that the reason they can't get to see a doctor, teacher or get a job is because of a group of Syrian immigrants (has any of us actually seen anyone from Syria yet?) who are hell bent on taking our jobs/clogging up our hospitals/blowing us up.

Ether Farage and his henchmen have pulled off a master stroke of indoctrination, or are appealing to latent, and hitherto unexpressed, racist tendencies.

Either way, it all seems a bit 1930's Germany to me,

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Do you seriously think the likes of Neil Hamilton and Mark Reckless give a toss about Welsh people? Seriously?

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Not a fan of Hamilton at all but Reckless is a good man. He's was an MP for the Conservatives in Kent and very well educated, he will be great for Wales.

I can't see how the low calibre of labour AMs is being overlooked by the same people who are questioning the calibre of Mark Reckless just because of the party he represents. I am thrilled that Leighton Andrews has gone, poisonous little man. Vaughn Gething is a creep, Drakeford is useless as is Jane Hutt and don't get me started on that quack Carl Sargeant. The debates are just tragic at the moment. Reckless is by far a better politician than all these people.

On a side note I am interested to see Neil Mcevoy elected, I can only imagine they will need to make the doors bigger down the bay just to fit is massive ego through the doors although I gather he ran an excellent campaign that pissed the Labour party off.