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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
It's just not good enough, we must have more security :hehe:
Start a petition :hehe: It's funny how the combined opinion on CCMB is that the French are doing a splendid job, yet the local population are up in uproar.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Doom monger :hehe: The way you're going on you make it sound as though Nice is a tiny village in the middle of nowhere.
Nice is about the size of Cardiff. Barricading the promenade des anglais would be like barricading the A470.
It can be done but don't expect more than the odd coupleof police officers at each junction
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
We can stop a nuclear attack though can't we? :biggrin:
Hopefully with precautions.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Start a petition :hehe: It's funny how the combined opinion on CCMB is that the French are doing a splendid job, yet the local population are up in uproar.
That's good isn't it? could be worse, they could be begging for tyranny like the rest of them.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Nice is about the size of Cardiff. Barricading the promenade des anglais would be like barricading the A470.
It can be done but don't expect more than the odd coupleof police officers at each junction
You do know it was on the pedestrianized prominade don't you?
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Start a petition :hehe: It's funny how the combined opinion on CCMB is that the French are doing a splendid job, yet the local population are up in uproar.
No one is saying they are doing a "splendid job", but most people are just realistic about how difficult it is.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
TruBlue
No one is saying they are doing a "splendid job", but most people are just realistic about how difficult it is.
The people in France don't seem to be sharing your optimism.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
The people in France don't seem to be sharing your optimism.
I met lots of them last month and not one of them mentioned their concerns.
Llandaff North must have a bigger French population than I remember. :biggrin:
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
TruBlue
I met lots of them last month and not one of them mentioned their concerns.
Llandaff North must have a bigger French population than I remember. :biggrin:
I suggest you take a closer look at what happened and then get back to me :thumbup:
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
What are you talking about? Every organised outdoor event is a target. It's not as though the people just turned up there randomly. Thank feck you are not in charge of law and order.
I said - "Hindsight with 20:20 vision. It's a quite wonderful thing."
I'm not sure which part of that you are having difficulty with to be honest.
I don't recall there being any terrorist attacks at the football in France recently and they were a kind of "organised outdoor event".
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Elysium
I said - "Hindsight with 20:20 vision. It's a quite wonderful thing."
I'm not sure which part of that you are having difficulty with to be honest.
I don't recall there being any terrorist attacks at the football in France recently and they were a kind of "organised outdoor event".
OK here is a little clue for the clueless
"Facing criticism from the media and the political opposition, Bernarn Cazeneuve ordered an inquiry by the Inspection Generale de la Police Nationale into the security situation in Nice on July 14."
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
OK here is a little clue for the clueless
"Facing criticism from the media and the political opposition, Bernarn Cazeneuve ordered an inquiry by the Inspection Generale de la Police Nationale into the security situation in Nice on July 14."
Instead of hurling around insults could you deal with the part where you stated "Every organised outdoor event is a target." I stated that the recent football tournament was a "biggish organised outdoor event" and wasn't targeted. You choose to ignore that part.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Elysium
Instead of hurling around insults could you deal with the part where you stated "Every organised outdoor event is a target." I stated that the recent football tournament was a "biggish organised outdoor event" and wasn't targeted. You choose to ignore that part.
How do you know it wasn't targeted ?, lotto numbers for tonight please? :biggrin:
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
How do you know it wasn't targeted ?, lotto numbers for tonight please? :biggrin:
I'm pretty sure we would have known all about it if it were.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Elysium
I'm pretty sure we would have known all about it if it were.
I wouldn't be so sure.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
I wouldn't be so sure.
OK, you probably know best.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
OK here is a little clue for the clueless
"Facing criticism from the media and the political opposition, Bernarn Cazeneuve ordered an inquiry by the Inspection Generale de la Police Nationale into the security situation in Nice on July 14."
Well then lets put armed forces infront of every gay club in the western world.
As they are all targets.
As are any public places.
Churches?. Cordern them all off. Sikh temples?. Buddhists?.
Shops selling booze?.
If we bow down and create the police state you want, they have won.
Nice's population is similar to Cardiffs. In a country of 66 million.
Policing every city to the degree you want is impossible.
They will have an inquiry because the media and the western world always look to blame their own rather than address the actual issue.
Yes, lets put the blame for a man running women and children over on some police chief with a budget.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Elysium
OK, you probably know best.
I'm not sure, is what i said that's all, i know nothing you quoted it wasn't targeted and thus i presumed you have conformation of this ?
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
JDerrida
Turkey is in the process of changing from a relatively educated and safe secular state for the last 94 years, after Ataturk changed its constitution.
However, under the dictatorship of Erdogan, Turkey is fast becoming an Islamic state where anyone who says anything other than what Erdogan wants to hear, will be jailed.
Erdogan has suspended the European convention on Human Rights. How far will he go to oppress Turkish people, will he kill his own people for disagreeing with him. How far will he be allowed to go? How far is too far?
Strangely enough, Angela Merkel has let the prosecution go ahead of a German comedian who read out a poem about Erdogan.
What plan has Merkel got, as it seems her journey is very different to many others in Europe.
Sadly you are right about Turkey. Speaking to quite a few of my Turkish friends out here in Berlin this week and they are really worried for their civil liberties going forward. Even as folks who no longer reside in Turkey. Erdogan's regime is already trying to use all the leverage they can to make skilled workers from all sectors return to Turkey to fill the gaps that will soon be left by posts of citizens and civil servants deemed to be guilty of "acts of treason" in the coming weeks and months. Is this narrative hitting the UK news? I don't know from here. Anyone who still has family still living in Turkey is in a weak position.
Just had a coffee with a Turkish-German someone who is well known and I suppose relatively famous in his field. For obvious reasons I can't give more details than that. He gave an interview with a big newspaper this week but even though doing so outside of Turkey, he doesn't have the freedom to speak the truth. Turkish colleagues of his who have countless followers on social media have been succesfully strong armed to shut down their accounts and lose their protesting voice.
Sitting at our laptops and tapping on our phones, we can only speculate what the end game of the coup attempt was. But. Make no mistake. This Erdogan regime is a dictatorship. This is what they were attempting to oust.
And what of the US interference? It was of course an act of complete self interest. But was this in the interest of the Turkish people? In the interest of avoiding civil war? This is open for debate. But it had everything to do with Russia, NATO, the Middle East - situations outside of Turkey. This past week alone shows us just how far and how messy these proxy wars have become. My heart bleeds for the Turkish people right now.
I hadn't realised about this story with Merkel. Suppose it shows what a troublesome position she continually finds herself in. Though I'm not cut from the same cloth politically as her, we might look back in future and say the world was lucky to have her in power when we did. While leaders and voters from other nations have been losing their rationale and turning to extreme ends of politics, she has been a steady hand. Lots of nations in the developed world have forgotten about 20th century history. Maybe the "winners" of wars have the curse of dismissing the past, while the losers are not allowed forget. While there are countless acts of heroism across Germany in regard to Syria, this country isn't immune to the extreme ends too. Because of her intervention with the refugees crisis, Merkel's popularity has taken some big hits.
Maybe there is a ceiling to hit for how far cold wars can go and we might be perpetually safe in the green green grass of home. But this doesn't mean we shouldn't spare a thought, or even better, some kind of activism for millions in and around the Middle East who's lives are in turmoil because of civil and proxy wars.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
How do you know it wasn't targeted ?, lotto numbers for tonight please? :biggrin:
That raises it's own questions, but going back to Nice they now want to destroy the CCTV footage
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36864440
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Elysium
Instead of hurling around insults could you deal with the part where you stated "Every organised outdoor event is a target." I stated that the recent football tournament was a "biggish organised outdoor event" and wasn't targeted. You choose to ignore that part.
How do you know it wasn't targeted? Maybe there was a large armed police presence and security operation underway that prevented anything from happening?
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
شهرستان کاردیف
Well then lets put armed forces infront of every gay club in the western world.
As they are all targets.
As are any public places.
Churches?. Cordern them all off. Sikh temples?. Buddhists?.
Shops selling booze?.
If we bow down and create the police state you want, they have won.
Nice's population is similar to Cardiffs. In a country of 66 million.
Policing every city to the degree you want is impossible.
They will have an inquiry because the media and the western world always look to blame their own rather than address the actual issue.
Yes, lets put the blame for a man running women and children over on some police chief with a budget.
Are you suggesting a hands-off approach under a state of emergency? Oh my, I think I have heard it all now.
And what budget are you on about? It seems to be about directives as far as I can see.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Colonel Cærdiffi
With the Russians getting friskier by the day, France under constant attack and on the verge of bringing in an extreme right government, Muslims in Europe facing the kind of dehumanising press the Jews received prior to WW2, Turkey and the middle east turning into shit soup, Britain leaving the union but renewing Trident... could we be on the brink of something nasty in the coming decade?
With respect I don't think that generally Muslims have experienced anywhere near the degree of dehumanising treatment the Jews have or for the length of time they did. Take a visit to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem and you will be appalled at the systematic and sustained dehumanising treatment the Jews experienced in Nazi Germany in the 1930's and 1940's. That said any such treatment against any group is reprehensible.
StT.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
شهرستان کاردیف
If we bow down and create the police state you want
Since when does reporting facts concerning the events that took place in Nice constitute someone wanting a police state? Are you for real? Or just an idiot?
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Steve the Tea
With respect I don't think that generally Muslims have experienced anywhere near the degree of dehumanising treatment the Jews have or for the length of time they did. Take a visit to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem and you will be appalled at the systematic and sustained dehumanising treatment the Jews experienced in Nazi Germany in the 1930's and 1940's. That said any such treatment against any group is reprehensible.
StT.
Assad has killed hundreds of thousands in a few years in Syria.
Children beheaded. Women beheaded infront of their families. Stoned to death. Dropped in acid. A tank rolling of a persons head by extremists since russia invaded afghan.
Saddam electrocuting Iranians. Gassing Iranians. Murdering over a million in the Iran Iraq war. Murdering how many Kurds throughout the 80's and 90's?. Gulf war.
Saudis head choppings. Crucifixions.
That is before you go in to the American invasions post 2001.
And before that when America decided to dislike Saddam after the gulf war. Their sanctions on Iraq blocked things such as medical syringes. Hundreds of thousands dying due to starvation. The lost generations of children dying during Western sanctions.
And the saudis are forcing starvation and death about yemen as we speak.
These people that cause terror in west have seen things we can only imagine.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
Multiple shootings in Munich,police saying terrorist attack.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Since when does reporting facts concerning the events that took place in Nice constitute someone wanting a police state? Are you for real? Or just an idiot?
Sorry did I talk to you like that?.
If someone wants to do something like this, a few little barricades may put them off. Then they'll wait and do it another time.
That'll solve zero.
You cannot heavily police every single event where more than 20 people are in attendance.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
شهرستان کاردیف
Sorry did I talk to you like that?.
Maybe it was a turn of phrase that you used :hehe:
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If someone wants to do something like this, a few little barricades may put them off. Then they'll wait and do it another time.
That'll solve zero.
You cannot heavily police every single event where more than 20 people are in attendance.
I'm sure the relavent authorities do risk assesment, and a public celebration and fireworks display advertised well in advance, and attended by thousands of people should have been high on that list.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
Quavers or French Fries?? Big debate going on here.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Colonel Cærdiffi
With the Russians getting friskier by the day, France under constant attack and on the verge of bringing in an extreme right government, Muslims in Europe facing the kind of dehumanising press the Jews received prior to WW2, Turkey and the middle east turning into shit soup, Britain leaving the union but renewing Trident... could we be on the brink of something nasty in the coming decade?
Either The Col has had his account hacked or he's been replaced by a replicon as he's never been this serious.:frown:
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
PerryJason
Quavers or French Fries?? Big debate going on here.
Why bother posting this.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Mad as a fish
Why bother posting this.
Another one joins the brotherhood of complete numpties.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Elysium
Another one joins the brotherhood of complete numpties.
Thanks for sharing. :indifferent:
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Elysium
Another one joins the brotherhood of complete numpties.
From you I accept that as a compliment Elysium Cheers.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Elysium
Another one joins the brotherhood of complete numpties.
:hehe:
It could well be one of them on another account to be fair
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Mad as a fish
From you I accept that as a compliment Elysium Cheers.
If you re-read it was in reply to you, not about you ( i think )
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
If you re-read it was in reply to you, not about you ( i think )
Correct
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Mad as a fish
From you I accept that as a compliment Elysium Cheers.
:facepalm:
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
If you re-read it was in reply to you, not about you ( i think )
Then I apologise. Just a little tetchy tonight. Sorry about the misunderstanding Elysium.
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