The worlds oldest 18 year old

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Do you that they aren't? The burden of proof is on you not me pal.

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The title of this thread is "The worlds oldest 18 year old". There has been some light-heated banter on here, and in the media all week, yet now you are starting to make accusations against individuals, what's up?

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

It's crazy that everyone on ccmb believes everything in the media is a conspiracy then lap up all the hateful nonsense that's been printed on the front of the rags throughout this week.

People need to remember these are the same papers that had front pages about "Jews flooding into the uk" in the 30s and 40s and have a think.

Yes immigration needs to be controlled but we are doing the bare minimum and the government and their puppet media outlets are making people afraid of nothing and hatefilled over the fact someone fleeing a war zone has entered our country.

It honestly makes me sad to see how people think about these refugees and the hate that spills out of people's mouths when the only real difference between us is we had the good fortune to be born the right side of a man made border and they didn't.

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I suppose you think that anyone who feels the need to move to another country should be let in. Do you also feel that anyone who wants to move to your house should be let in? Perhaps that's being unfair to to you. I think that might be a false analogy. For example, if someone just moved into your house you might have to personally feed them and pay for their upkeep. Also they might be criminally inclined and they might attack you or your family. But if they just moved into the country that wouldn't be your problem. Some other person in another town will have to worry about that.

You will probably avoid the downside of immigration but you will enjoy the upside of having a warm glow in your heart knowing you have generously let a stranger into the country. Generosity is a wonderful thing especially if it doesn't seem to cost you much.

Do you think there are any cultural differences between the highly educated Jews who came here in the 1930s and the mainly uneducated Muslims who are coming here now which might lead to future problems for this country?

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Do you that they aren't? The burden of proof is on you not me pal.

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I know what a 17 year old boy looks like.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

You are a walking caricature of what this country is becoming, the daily mail and the sun have you eating out of their hands.

Anyone who wants to help a refugee must be a left wing elite.

You are a very ignorant man as are a few others in this thread.

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For starters I do not read either of those papers on a regular basis, may pick up the sun every now and then but I can't recall ever buying the Daily Mail. Second of all just because the papers are saying something it does not mean they are wrong. I call you one of the liberal elites because you have no clue about what the hell is going on, you dismiss the working classes genuine concerns about open door immigration as "racist", "small minded", "ill educated" and as "sun reading morons" etc etc.

I care deeply about helping refugees and I have long advocated we take in as many children and orphans as we can. We have a duty to help these children. What I don't want is unaccompanied males who have battered there way through Europe, shown no respect to border forces and pushed their way to the front of the queue at Calais claiming to be children. These men could be war hardened terrorists, we don't know as no proper checks have been made.

We must avoid a Colgone/Germany situation, for the good of the land.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

When I started this thread (a long time ago) it was purely to hight light the issue that they all seemed to be A. Male B. Single and C. Way over 18.

The UK should have taken in orphaned or alone children from the refugee camps in Jordan, Turkey, Greece etc - NOT from Calais.

You could even argue that children would be better off with people with a common culture as them. Bad enough being an orphan in a war torn country - but to then be transported to another country, that is culturally very different, where they dont speak your language or have the same beliefs etc - then that would add possibly more anxiety on to the kids.

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These 'children' are nothing more than anchors,you watch how many dead parents have a lazarus moment when they get word the 'children' are safely ensconced on the welfare train.

why are we determining that children are more worthy of help and support than adults? Surely the right thing to do is allow all refugees entry with the option to resettle if they wish to contribute towards society in a positive way?

Sometimes I despair at how we can treat our fellow man. These people have escaped a war zone, which i imagine to be quite a shitty experience for those who have experienced it. They all need our compassion and support

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Originally Posted by goslow

I know what a 17 year old boy looks like.

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I bet you do

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Some of the men in the Calais 'jungle' have come from every war torn country in Africa to seek asylum in Calais - why do you think that is then ?

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maybe because their destination is the UK. maybe they speak more English than they do French, Spanish or German, so perhaps to give then a better chance of integrating and making a new life for themselves, they have chosen an English speaking country.

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Originally Posted by TISS

I bet you do

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I wonder whether Goslow's a member of the clergy?

:sherlock:

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

I suppose you think that anyone who feels the need to move to another country should be let in. Do you also feel that anyone who wants to move to your house should be let in? Perhaps that's being unfair to to you. I think that might be a false analogy. For example, if someone just moved into your house you might have to personally feed them and pay for their upkeep. Also they might be criminally inclined and they might attack you or your family. But if they just moved into the country that wouldn't be your problem. Some other person in another town will have to worry about that.

You will probably avoid the downside of immigration but you will enjoy the upside of having a warm glow in your heart knowing you have generously let a stranger into the country. Generosity is a wonderful thing especially if it doesn't seem to cost you much.

Do you think there are any cultural differences between the highly educated Jews who came here in the 1930s and the mainly uneducated Muslims who are coming here now which might lead to future problems for this country?

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Doesn't trust the UK media but laps up their immigration propaganda word for word without question...

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Originally Posted by goslow

I know what a 17 year old boy looks like.

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Don't doubt that for one second

We know why the UK is so popular - benefits. Though not nearly so much for single men or women, that's until the extended clan turn up.

85% of British households claim at least one benefit; that's an awful lot of people suckling on the welfare teet.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

We know why the UK is so popular - benefits. Though not nearly so much for single men or women, that's until the extended clan turn up.

85% of British households claim at least one benefit; that's an awful lot of people suckling on the welfare teet.

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Where does all this free money appear from?

Take a look at the UK's national debt.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Take a look at the UK's national debt.

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I am looking at it now, what am I looking for?

Feck me I didn't know I could get a room in a bed and breakfast in Rochdale and 36 quid a week by claiming asylum. No wonder ccmb is filled with such hate and jealousy for these people and no wonder they are willing to cross continents and oceans all to exploit our kind nature, they are living like kings.

Organ are you of working age?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

We know why the UK is so popular - benefits. Though not nearly so much for single men or women, that's until the extended clan turn up.

85% of British households claim at least one benefit; that's an awful lot of people suckling on the welfare teet.

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It'd be crazy to come here for benefits. Many other European countries have for more generous benefits than we do.
Arguably jobs are a bigger driver, but also things like family connections , language etc

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Doesn't trust the UK media but laps up their immigration propaganda word for word without question...

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I am just going on what I know and what I can see with my own eyes. They say they are children fleeing persecution. I can see they are adults and I know they are not being persecuted in France. In other words, they are liars. We have enough liars on this messageboard alone to satisfy the quota for any country. We do not need any more liars.

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Originally Posted by David Vincent

I am just going on what I know and what I can see with my own eyes. They say they are children fleeing persecution. I can see they are adults and I know they are not being persecuted in France. In other words, they are liars. We have enough liars on this messageboard alone to satisfy the quota for any country. We do not need any more liars.

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Have you 'seen with your own eyes' or just seen what everyone else has? A few photos that the newspapers wanted you to see?

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Logic will tell you that if the choice was between somewhere in France or a B&B in Rochdale - then it would always be France , so for someone to choose the Rochdale B&B option - there is a lot more to it than just that

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So the .gov website is lying about what benefits asylum seekers are entitled to?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

It'd be crazy to come here for benefits. Many other European countries have for more generous benefits than we do.
Arguably jobs are a bigger driver, but also things like family connections , language etc

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I think our reputation of being tolerant and accepting plays a part too. Thankfully we are shedding that image as quickly as possible. I dread to think what we would be doing in terms of search and rescue if we were in Italy's position.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

I think our reputation of being tolerant and accepting plays a part too. Thankfully we are shedding that image as quickly as possible. I dread to think what we would be doing in terms of search and rescue if we were in Italy's position.

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The way this country' is going the Sun would be offering boat trips to shoot drowing tefugees with a page three girl captioning it ' my basookas are backing Britain '

**** knows why they would want to come here, as I look out in this pissy weather surely France has more to offer?

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

The way this country' is going the Sun would be offering boat trips to shoot drowing tefugees with a page three girl captioning it ' my basookas are backing Britain '

**** knows why they would want to come here, as I look out in this pissy weather surely France has more to offer?

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Any chance I can claim asylum in the South of France?

It's got to be better than Rochdale.

I mentioned it before but a programme called Exodus from Syria (or something like that) followed a load of Refugees trying to get to the UK and they claimed their reasoning for not stopping at France was because once in the UK it was easier and quicker to get your family members over. In countries such as France it can take a number of years.

Seems to make sense but I was surprised there wasn't a uniform European policy.

All seems a bit backwards when you consider the issues Preu Blue had with getting his wife moved over here.

It's quite funny when the metropolitan elites denigrate our working class areas as "racist" for voting to leave the EU when there are queues and queues of people trying to enter this country to live in these racist areas.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Don't doubt that for one second

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Meaning?

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

It's quite funny when the metropolitan elites denigrate our working class areas as "racist" for voting to leave the EU when there are queues and queues of people trying to enter this country to live in these racist areas.

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Those pesky metropolitan elites eh?

Just as well we have Theresa and her cabinet full of millionaires to save us from them.

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

Those pesky metropolitan elites eh?

Just as well we have Theresa and her cabinet full of millionaires to save us from them.

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Metropolitan Elites does not equal rich.

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Originally Posted by goslow

Meaning?

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I don't doubt that you know exactly what a 17 year old boy looks like.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

Metropolitan Elites does not equal rich.

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It appears to mean 'anyone who disagrees with Bluebird since 1948'.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

It appears to mean 'anyone who disagrees with Bluebird since 1948'.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

I am looking at it now, what am I looking for?

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Here's the live UK debt clock. http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

The debt is borrowed money owed that attracts interest payments. You might note that the debt's increasing, rather than decreasing, by five thousand quid per second, and everyone's share of it is also going up. But that's no problem in your world, it appears.

Out of interest, are you doing anything tangible to aid migrants? I ask because the Archbishop of Canterbury has suggested he's willing to accommodate one or two families.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Organ are you of working age?

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Yeah, I'm 54. I'm due a State Pension aged 67. If that Ponzi scheme is still going then it'll have significantly less purchasing power than today.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Yeah, I'm 54. I'm due a State Pension aged 67. If that Ponzi scheme is still going then it'll have significantly less purchasing power than today.

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Yeah the outlook is pretty dire for anyone who didn't get in early.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Here's the live UK debt clock. http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

The debt is borrowed money owed that attracts interest payments. You might note that the debt's increasing, rather than decreasing, by five thousand quid per second, and everyone's share of it is also going up. But that's no problem in your world, it appears.

Out of interest, are you doing anything tangible to aid migrants? I ask because the Archbishop of Canterbury has suggested he's willing to accommodate one or two families.

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I spend quite a lot of time trying to convince narrow minded people that they aren't all rapists, might not be tangible but considering how much influence the press has over people it is becoming a full time job.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

It appears to mean 'anyone who disagrees with Bluebird since 1948'.

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No it's anyone such as yourself who is slating anyone who voted to leave the EU, has genuine concerns about immigration and is against allowing in half of Calais into the country as small minded racists. Working class people up and down the country including the good people of our great country in Wales voted to leave the EU. To brand these people as clueless and being lied to is shameful on your part and shows a complete lack of respect to their wishes.

You seem to care more about refugees in Calais than you do about the wishes of the people of Wales.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

No it's anyone such as yourself who is slating anyone who voted to leave the EU, has genuine concerns about immigration and is against allowing in half of Calais into the country as small minded racists. Working class people up and down the country including the good people of our great country in Wales voted to leave the EU. To brand these people as clueless and being lied to is shameful on your part and shows a complete lack of respect to their wishes.

You seem to care more about refugees in Calais than you do about the wishes of the people of Wales.

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Do you dispute that people were lied to during the referendum campaign?

Can you point out where I branded anyone clueless?

By 'half of Calais' I will assume you mean the camp known as 'the jungle'. If people made the decision to leave the EU based on the threat of a few thousand people camped by a road outside Calais then I really am lost for words.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

You seem to care more about refugees in Calais than you do about the wishes of the people of Wales.

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Am I meant to care about people I don't know from Wales more than people I don't know from any other country?

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Do you dispute that people were lied to during the referendum campaign?

Can you point out where I branded anyone clueless?

By 'half of Calais' I will assume you mean the camp known as 'the jungle'. If people made the decision to leave the EU based on the threat of a few thousand people camped by a road outside Calais then I really am lost for words.

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Both sides were lied too, we were barraged with a huge amount of scaremongering and project fear from the government to the bank of England. We were told Nissan were going to pull out of Sunderland in the event of a Brexit, the good, working class people of Sunderland called their bluff and the sounds coming out of Japan now suggest they after all will be building their new car in the City. Are lies and scaremongering only allowed from the side you agree with? You brand people clueless because you keep saying leave voters were lied too, you keep saying they didn't know what they voted for. It's insulting to those people.

I want to take in as many child refugees as we can, what I don't want to do is take in single men of dubious backgrounds and having no idea who they are. Don't lock your door tonight, better still have the door removed seeing as you don't care much for border controls.