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Originally Posted by lardy

I'll see if I can find your podcast, but there is a dark side to Hollywood and the entertainment business in general that goes back a long way.

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That pesky liberal elite again obviously.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I'll see if I can find your podcast, but there is a dark side to Hollywood and the entertainment business in general that goes back a long way.

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Yes, there is a very good chance that Like A Virgin was written in America with the long term aim of eradicating Christianity in the UK three decades later.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Yes, there is a very good chance that Like A Virgin was written in America with the long term aim of eradicating Christianity in the UK three decades later.

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You are showing a lack of esoteric knowledge, but you are a perfect citizen :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by lardy

Yes, there is a very good chance that Like A Virgin was written in America with the long term aim of eradicating Christianity in the UK three decades later.

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Nobody said like a virgin was written to eradicate Christianity :hehe:

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Originally Posted by lardy

Yes, there is a very good chance that Like A Virgin was written in America with the long term aim of eradicating Christianity in the UK three decades later.

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Eradicating Christianity is essential for “modern thinking” people because it is an inconvenient intrusion into our lives, challenging head-on the notion of me-first and my right to live the way I want without regard for my fellow man. An inconvenient truth if you like.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Nobody said like a virgin was written to eradicate Christianity :hehe:

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It's a distraction :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Nobody said like a virgin was written to eradicate Christianity :hehe:

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You're right - sexy Jesus was in Like A Prayer :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

It's a distraction :biggrin:

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I think much of the occult symbolism is. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by lardy

You're right - sexy Jesus was in Like A Prayer :hehe:

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:hehe: That took a while.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Clinton lied about having sex with Lewinsky, Hilary verbally attacked the women who accused her husband of attacking them (that includes a rape charge).

I suggest you google Juanita Broaddrick - the now 73 year old , who to this day maintains what he did, also Google Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey.

2 of Trumps accusers have already withdrawn their claim after both being outed for making similar false claims previously.

Trump or Clinton is like asking Jimmy Saville or Peter Sutcliffe ?

None of the above should have been an option (like it should be in the UK)

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A little different as the Clinton stuff was revealed after his final election campaign.

I've watched the 4 series of House of Cards so far and continued throughout to convince myself that it was pretty fantastic - in both senses of the word - not a portrayal that reflected the real Washington or 'real' US Political 'elite'.
I suspect that I've been kidding myself.

The next series will have become uncomfortable viewing by the time it is aired.

I think the TV series 'Braindead' is more relevant to Democrats and Republicans in Washington these days. Funny, and not far off the truth.

Is there any evidence to back up the claim Trump "sexually assaults" people.

Apart from that nothing video with words.

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Originally Posted by LordKenwyne

Is there any evidence to back up the claim Trump "sexually assaults" people.

Apart from that nothing video with words.

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Well apart from the number of women that have come forward his own comment on record about grabbing women by the genitalia is a bit of a give away. Then again it was just locker room talk allegedly. The man is your typical bully. When he gets his own way he is all sweetness and light but when he doesn't he is a nasty piece of work.

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Originally Posted by LordKenwyne

Is there any evidence to back up the claim Trump "sexually assaults" people.

Apart from that nothing video with words.

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There is a Wikileaks email from earlier in the year, that exposed a Democrat plan to smear Trump with claims of sexual abuse.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

There is a Wikileaks email from earlier in the year, that exposed a Democrat plan to smear Trump with claims of sexual abuse.

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Even if true, then that was just about when and how to bring the sleazy. slime-ball, sexual predator to public attention.

Not if he is all those things. Interviews, witness statements, his former wife's testimony, as well as the 'video with words'.

I don't know if all his accusers are truthful - nor do you - or why one or two have backed off. My understanding is that it was down to threats and intimidation not made up stories. But the circumstantial evidence is massive.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Even if true, then that was just about when and how to bring the sleazy. slime-ball, sexual predator to public attention.

Not if he is all those things. Interviews, witness statements, his former wife's testimony, as well as the 'video with words'.

I don't know if all his accusers are truthful - nor do you - or why one or two have backed off. My understanding is that it was down to threats and intimidation not made up stories. But the circumstantial evidence is massive.

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I've got a feeling the Clintons may be in jail before Trump, but don't quote me on that :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I've got a feeling the Clintons may be in jail before Trump, but don't quote me on that :biggrin:

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None of them will be in gaol.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

None of them will be in gaol.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8-43jQ9E-E

Trump's hardcore supporters will scream and shout, but I will be amazed if Hillary Clinton (or Bill) are convicted of anything and sent down. It is not against the law in the USA to be a neo-liberal war monger and to accept 'campaign contributions' from every arms manufacturer, hedge fund and private prison corporation there is. The email 'scandal' has almost certainly run it's course now the FBI has tied itself into the gordion of all knots.

Trump will never be prosecuted for being a sexual predator, con-man (from Trump University to his liberation of charitable donations) or tax evader. He will probably erect a(nother) statue of himself - maybe as the only man to run a casino in Atlantic City and lose money!

No, the circus will keep on running, and unless the Clintons or Trump turn black and poor, they will not end up behind bars. Unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Trump's hardcore supporters will scream and shout, but I will be amazed if Hillary Clinton (or Bill) are convicted of anything and sent down. It is not against the law in the USA to be a neo-liberal war monger and to accept 'campaign contributions' from every arms manufacturer, hedge fund and private prison corporation there is. The email 'scandal' has almost certainly run it's course now the FBI has tied itself into the gordion of all knots.

Trump will never be prosecuted for being a sexual predator, con-man (from Trump University to his liberation of charitable donations) or tax evader. He will probably erect a(nother) statue of himself - maybe as the only man to run a casino in Atlantic City and lose money!

No, the circus will keep on running, and unless the Clintons or Trump turn black and poor, they will not end up behind bars. Unfortunately.

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I'll be amazed if she gets away with everything, but let's see.

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Originally Posted by The Bob Banker Spanker

I don't think anyone is content, I think he was the best of an extremely grim pair.

This "parade" should be easily quashed.

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If the best of an extremely grim pair is a racist then some have their priorities wrong.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Did he sexually assault anybody? I thought he put it all down to locker-room talk?. Personally I think people like Miley Cyrus and Katy Perry are a lot more troublsome for society, which you can trace to the liberal elites.

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Of course he has been caught grabbing women and the multiple testomonies are not disproven. Over the next few years we will see more people coming forward and hopefully not all will be paid off to drop lawsuits.

This isn't about liberal elites! Why make it a left/right issue?

And I spent a lot longer in locker rooms than most people and while conversations and banter can be crude I have never heard any of my team mates advocate sexually assaulting women.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

If the best of an extremely grim pair is a racist then some have their priorities wrong.

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True.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

There is a Wikileaks email from earlier in the year, that exposed a Democrat plan to smear Trump with claims of sexual abuse.

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Listen, Im no Hilary fan, in fact I dislike her. But Trump admitted grabbing women by their genitals (his own confession) and people making allegations against him may have been prompted to by the Clinton campaign but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.


But my main point is what an awful reflection on both republicans and democrats and the political system in America when the two nominations were abhorrent and in my opinion, one more abhorrent than the other

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Even if true, then that was just about when and how to bring the sleazy. slime-ball, sexual predator to public attention.

Not if he is all those things. Interviews, witness statements, his former wife's testimony, as well as the 'video with words'.

I don't know if all his accusers are truthful - nor do you - or why one or two have backed off. My understanding is that it was down to threats and intimidation not made up stories. But the circumstantial evidence is massive.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

There is a Wikileaks email from earlier in the year, that exposed a Democrat plan to smear Trump with claims of sexual abuse.

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So what?

That is no surprise.

One could argue it is bringing out into the light what has been hidden away... as long as no one is lying surely that is a good thing, even if underhanded?

Likewise if the trump campaign were trying to shed light on Clintons dealings that is a good thing surely?

While all of this leaves a bitter taste in the mouth I hardly think it's unexpected that campaigns are trying to reveal things about the other side in order to gain some points.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I've heard that some in the liberal elite want want to legalise peadophilia.

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For the love of God what a ridiculous thing to say.

Why do you make everything a left / right thing?

I work in child protection reforms, including dealing with child abuse, trafficking etc, in many countries and there is no left/right agenda on this issue.

Most 'liberals' and indeed conservatives that are involved in combating child abuse are calling for tougher sentences, smarter treatment and better research on identifying key factors / indicators to identify potential behaviour.

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Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird

For the love of God what a ridiculous thing to say.

Why do you make everything a left / right thing?

I work in child protection reforms, including dealing with child abuse, trafficking etc, in many countries and there is no left/right agenda on this issue.

Most 'liberals' and indeed conservatives that are involved in combating child abuse are calling for tougher sentences, smarter treatment and better research on identifying key factors / indicators to identify potential behaviour.

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As you are a specialist in this field, it may be a good idea to do some research into this topic :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

As you are a specialist in this field, it may be a good idea to do some research into this topic :thumbup:

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I'm expert enough to know there is no liberal elite calling for the legalisation of child abuse.

There are some very nasty networks lobbying for it behind the scenes... But these are sick people from across the political divide.

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Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird

I'm expert enough to know there is no liberal elite calling for the legalisation of child abuse.

There are some very nasty networks lobbying for it behind the scenes... But these are sick people from across the political divide.

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What about the liberal academics, psychologists, advocacy groups using LGBT tactics, and law makers expanding sexual orientation definitions, etc?

3 pages and nobodies posted "...took my baby away", dissapointing CCMB :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Did he sexually assault anybody? I thought he put it all down to locker-room talk?. Personally I think people like Miley Cyrus and Katy Perry are a lot more troublsome for society, which you can trace to the liberal elites.

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yes he touched my bum once.

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Originally Posted by kingbillyboy

yes he touched my bum once.

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That explains a lot.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

What about the liberal academics, psychologists, advocacy groups using LGBT tactics, and law makers expanding sexual orientation definitions, etc?

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Ah you raise a great point! And honestly would love to get into a long discussion with you about it but just don't have the time.

There are some people, liberal and otherwise, who are trying to redefine orientation. They claim they are doing this in order that people can get help, not to legitimize their behavior. Now I disagree with this tactic as anyone who is attracted to children is a risk to them and has some fundamental issues that need resolving and in fact society needs to be protected from such people - and I do not believe that redefining orientation would actually help. There are many other ways and many NGO's (most liberal leaning!) that work with offenders and those possible offenders also do not agree with that tactic.

However, by you claiming that liberals (or the 'liberal elite' as you call them) want to make pedophilia acceptable and legal is quite wrong and misleading. Many may be liberals and many are not.

If I wanted to make this a left/right thing I could point out that it is generally right-leaning governments who do the most covering up of pedophilia in the establishment they govern.

I'm a trained child protection expert and deal in issue of trafficking and other very unsavory things and work with amazing people, including police forces throughout the world (Scotland yard have some super officers doing a job I could never stomach), NGO's, trauma counsellors, child therapists, attachment specialists, play therapists, local police child protection experts. Overwhelmingly you will find they are more liberal in their political beliefs. However, they are (we are) absolutely dedicated to protecting children and bringing those who commit crimes against children to justice... not one I have met would agree with legalising pedophilia.

So I think your comment is unhelpful.

But the debate is good.