Breaking news of an "explosion" at Manchester Arena

All you can do is get on with your lives or the terrorists win. I lived in London for over 30 years when the IRA were
bombing away and I lost about half a dozen friends during that time. All wrong place wrong time.

I lost another friend on 7/7 but we have to keep going.

At the 2012 Olympics I was a Gamesmaker and every day when I travelled to the Olympic Park I looked around the packed carriages
wondering if anyone had a rucksack bomb but we carried on.

I went to all the Wales games at Euro 2016 and the security was tight and rightly so but we all have to have some
enjoyment in our lives otherwise we'd sit at home and go up the wall.

So keep calm and carry on everyone.

I know it's a dreadful cliche but at times like this it is all we can do.

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Originally Posted by TISS

boots on the ground, ****ing annihilate them

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annihilate who though Tiss?

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

The media love showing this sort of thing and people love to tweet how they are "praying" for the victims.

I can't be the only one that thinks this is highly inappropriate, it's essentially saying "yes, religion is the problem here, lets fix it with more religion"

I'm honestly disgusted by what others seem to think is the nicest gesture in the world.


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Completely agree with you.
You may as well hold up signs saying my imaginary man in the sky and book of fairy tales is better than yours.
Blind religious belief is almost always the cause of these incidents.
Makes for a nice, tidy hashtag though, which of course is the important thing...

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Originally Posted by Charlie

Completely agree with you.
You may as well hold up signs saying my imaginary man in the sky and book of fairy tales is better than yours.
Blind religious belief is almost always the cause of these incidents.
Makes for a nice, tidy hashtag though, which of course is the important thing...

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I don't think this is the thread to debate it but if people derive comfort whether you believe it or not is entirely up to them.

People are people and if they didn't war over religion they would war over something else wherther it would be money, land or even a football team!

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

I don't think this is the thread to debate it but if people derive comfort whether you believe it or not is entirely up to them.

People are people and if they didn't war over religion they would war over something else wherther it would be money, land or even a football team!

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Yep, fair enough.

Probably not the best thread to debate it.

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Originally Posted by Mad as a fish

annihilate who though Tiss?

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ISIS

It does beg the question that if these guys are known about previously, but haven't necessarily done anything yet - should the government have a watch on them 24/7 I.e. Tracker in the smartphone, hack into emails etc.

These circumstances simply cannot go on, it's sick

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Originally Posted by Zenith

It does beg the question that if these guys are known about previously, but haven't necessarily done anything yet - should the government have a watch on them 24/7 I.e. Tracker in the smartphone, hack into emails etc.

These circumstances simply cannot go on, it's sick

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Resources are finite, of course.

There was footage on the news earlier of a minutes silence held at a garden party at Buckingham Palace.

Half of the guests were stood there, phones in hand, filming Liz and Phil-the-Greek, paying their respects.
Wtf is wrong with people?

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Originally Posted by BlueWales

All you can do is get on with your lives or the terrorists win. I lived in London for over 30 years when the IRA were
bombing away and I lost about half a dozen friends during that time. All wrong place wrong time.

I lost another friend on 7/7 but we have to keep going.

At the 2012 Olympics I was a Gamesmaker and every day when I travelled to the Olympic Park I looked around the packed carriages
wondering if anyone had a rucksack bomb but we carried on.

I went to all the Wales games at Euro 2016 and the security was tight and rightly so but we all have to have some
enjoyment in our lives otherwise we'd sit at home and go up the wall.

So keep calm and carry on everyone.

I know it's a dreadful cliche but at times like this it is all we can do.

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Sorry for your losses - must be harrowing losing friends to mindless acts of terrorism. In whose name/religion, etc? Who the **** cares, really? My daughter wanted to go to this concert but luckily we didn't get tickets for her. Some of her friends from school went and thankfully are alive and well, badly scarred and shaken though. My boss knows a couple who went with their two daughters. The mother was knocked out by a bin that was blown into her. By pure fluke the kids and husband are ok. He is an independant security expert and never noticed any threat etc which makes it pretty obvious that this probably wouldn't have been prevented even if people had thier wits about them.

I am taking my son into Manchester on Saturday. Am I scared? Nope. Will I think twice? Nope. **** them - if we had to think about everything we did after attrocities like this then life would be pretty shite. Like you say - life goes on. Don't let these scum ruin your life.

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Originally Posted by TISS

ISIS

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This was just some bloke from Manchester. The 2005 London bombers were from Yorkshire. The Westminster bridge attacker was from Kent. Lee Rigbys killers were from London.
This problem cannot be solved with military action.

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Originally Posted by Zenith

It does beg the question that if these guys are known about previously, but haven't necessarily done anything yet - should the government have a watch on them 24/7 I.e. Tracker in the smartphone, hack into emails etc.

These circumstances simply cannot go on, it's sick

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To what end? Undercover police infiltrating groups of people? We have seen examples in recent history where those being spied on are just (mostly) peaceful alternative voices. There is a very difficult equation based on not over-reaching with control and force and not doing enough to keep people safe and typically the immediate aftermath of a horrific event won't produce the best answer.

For today all I will think about is that for a what must have seemed like an age there were children and parents not knowing if their loved one was hurt or safe. That is such a scary thought.

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Originally Posted by TISS

ISIS

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Im sure if you give em ISIS's address they would be only to happy to annihilate em for you. give it a little thought mate ffs.

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

We have seen the worst and best of mankind. The worst being the depraved,callous murderer who deliberately targetted children and destroyed their lives in the most barbaric way possible. Then the trolls like Katie Hopkins talking about a "final solution". Then the haters who bombed a mosque in Manchester

Then the good. The lowly paid paramedics who had to deal with the utter carnage in their usual highly professional way. The doctors who worked through the night,the taxi drivers giving free lifts,the homeless person craving the dying woman.

It is nearly 12 years since the London bombings. We have learnt nothing in that time. Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya and now Syria. Until we get out of the Middle East there will be more Manchesters. Instead of taking the easy option of joining America in bombing campaigns our politicians need to be stronger and say no. The world is no betterfor our interve tions and in many ways worse. We have to get out of that region and leave the Syrians to sort things out for themselves

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Well done for using dead children to peddle your political agenda,you odious little prick

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Originally Posted by surge

To what end? Undercover police infiltrating groups of people? We have seen examples in recent history where those being spied on are just (mostly) peaceful alternative voices. There is a very difficult equation based on not over-reaching with control and force and not doing enough to keep people safe and typically the immediate aftermath of a horrific event won't produce the best answer.

For today all I will think about is that for a what must have seemed like an age there were children and parents not knowing if their loved one was hurt or safe. That is such a scary thought.

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Debate is for another day, this has been a hard day for me emotionally and I'm not connected to anyone who is suffering. Just moved by the sheer atrocity that took place, and hoping there's light at the end of the tunnel.

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Originally Posted by goslow

Well done for using dead children to peddle your political agenda,you odious little prick

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Bit harsh mate! After such a terrible thing happens, it perfectly natural for people to try and make sense of it and look at the reasons why this has happened. That's hardly peddling an agenda.
It can never ever justify what has happened, but inevitably you have to ask "why"?

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Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas

This was just some bloke from Manchester. The 2005 London bombers were from Yorkshire. The Westminster bridge attacker was from Kent. Lee Rigbys killers were from London.
This problem cannot be solved with military action.

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ISIS give the extremists something to latch on to

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Originally Posted by goslow

Well done for using dead children to peddle your political agenda,you odious little prick

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I won't lower myself to your level

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Terrible times - nothing to say really other than the familes and friends who lost loved ones are in my thoughts and I feel for them all.

The attack level just been raised to imminent / critical.

Armed troops are now being deployed with the Police PM just announced. That still wont stop this happening again though.

The only way to stop this is a solution which will never be used. Interment of anyone who is on the radar and put under tag monitoring or kept at her majesty's pleasure until the problem is sorted - we cant have any more attacks like this one. I value democracy and freedom - I value a child's life more though.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it has ever been "critical"?

I wouldn't have a problem with someone being tagged if they were deemed a threat. It does seem this man and the Westminster bomber were known to the Police so clearly they were a possible threat. However some will slip through the net and or become radicalised so I cannot see how this threat will be completely eradicated

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Originally Posted by goslow

Well done for using dead children to peddle your political agenda,you odious little prick

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Originally Posted by LordKenwyne

That is enough twitter for today, if not for a long period of time.

A lot of people are finding this funny.

Mainly Trump freaks.

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Like many things I guess, social media can be used to do a lot of good, but having seen some tweets I despair at how pigshit stupid some people are.

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Originally Posted by TH63

Like many things I guess, social media can be used to do a lot of good, but having seen some tweets I despair at how pigshit stupid some people are.

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Not so much pigshit stupid but just plain nasty. There are some sick people around

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Terrible times - nothing to say really other than the familes and friends who lost loved ones are in my thoughts and I feel for them all.

The attack level just been raised to imminent / critical.

Armed troops are now being deployed with the Police PM just announced. That still wont stop this happening again though.

The only way to stop this is a solution which will never be used. Interment of anyone who is on the radar and put under tag monitoring or kept at her majesty's pleasure until the problem is sorted - we cant have any more attacks like this one. I value democracy and freedom - I value a child's life more though.

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agreed :thumbup:

though can you imagine the uproar from the section of society who do not even want to allow the government to read E.mails and see our browsing history etc etc

I wonder how this guy got The plans for the device, i wonder who he exchanged messages with ? ? all online, maybe if a " red flag " had been raised, he might have been stopped

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Originally Posted by blue matt

agreed :thumbup:

though can you imagine the uproar from the section of society who do not even want to allow the government to read E.mails and see our browsing history etc etc

I wonder how this guy got The plans for the device, i wonder who he exchanged messages with ? ? all online, maybe if a " red flag " had been raised, he might have been stopped

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What's the username and password for your email account mate?

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Not so much pigshit stupid but just plain nasty. There are some sick people around

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One guy suggested that we drop a bomb on the people responsible.

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Originally Posted by TH63

One guy suggested that we drop a bomb on the people responsible.

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As we know from a football minute's silence, the one negative from a period of silence in reflection is that it allows the "empty drums" to make the most noise.

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Originally Posted by goslow

Well done for using dead children to peddle your political agenda,you odious little prick

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Considering the number of times you have used something terrible to peddle your personal agenda I guess this post has to be marked down as faux outrage.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Pearcey - The Americans did it after WW2 pearl harbour I believe. Pass a law to make it legal immediately, it would fall foul of the European Court of Justice - but to be honest - who gives a F about that now. Enough is now enough. It wont 100% stop someone from doing it - but it will make highly unlikely until we have sorted this sh!t out.

Anyone who is under suspicion needs to be tagged and detained until deemed safe, or kept at her Majesty's pleasure until we think the threat is gone.

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I can relate to the emotion, but locking people up because we suspect they could be a criminal?

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

What's the username and password for your email account mate?

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I know this is an issue you are passionate about, but there's a world of difference between security forces having access to Blue Matt's emails and anyone who just happens to read ccmb having access to them.

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Originally Posted by TH63

I know this is an issue you are passionate about, but there's a world of difference between security forces having access to Blue Matt's emails and anyone who just happens to read ccmb having access to them.

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I concur :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by TH63

I know this is an issue you are passionate about, but there's a world of difference between security forces having access to Blue Matt's emails and anyone who just happens to read ccmb having access to them.

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It's ok, he can PM the details to me. Shouldn't be a problem if he's got nothing to hide™

I'm with the Colonel. I wouldn't want anyone snooping through my emails without my explicit consent. Anyone consists of all strangers including government agents.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I'm with the Colonel. I wouldn't want anyone snooping through my emails without my explicit consent. Anyone consists of all strangers including government agents.

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Blue Matt hasn't PM'd me the username and password for his email yet but in case he's worried, I would like to assure him that I definitely won't share his confidential information with anyone else probably.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

Pearcey - The Americans did it after WW2 pearl harbour I believe. Pass a law to make it legal immediately, it would fall foul of the European Court of Justice - but to be honest - who gives a F about that now. Enough is now enough. It wont 100% stop someone from doing it - but it will make highly unlikely until we have sorted this sh!t out.

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I believe that involved 120,000 Japanese, half of them children, being removed from their homes and being placed in internment camps. Is something like that really what you're proposing? I believe congress later apologised for it.

Britain interned nearly 2,000 Irish people in the 1970s, most of them Republicans. The Troubles became a much greater problem as a result.

I wouldn't want to be locked up indefinitely without a trial so of course I wouldn't want anyone else to either.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

I think you'll find when the UDF got involved and took a life for each life taken - things changed. But that is besides the point here - Im not talking about that scenario.

What would you rather - losing a child's life , or face a court case that meant you detained someone who was or wasn't a threat ? (Please answer that one) . At this precise moment in time I would side on the argument for internment where deemed necessary

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So we lock up a million or so muslim men in their 20's (Love to know where all these extra cells are going to come from btw) on the off chance that one or two of them might one day go on to commit and act of terror?
They would, understandably, be a bit pissed off at this, and no doubt feel even more marginalised than they already are. This would be like Christmas come early to any actual terrorists with thousands of young, pissed off muslims that they could radicalise and train to commit terrorist acts when they get out.

It's an emotive time, but it's a time for rational thought and solutions that would work.

Find out WHY these young feel compelled to take the lives of innocents.
Make them feel part of our society and not like our enemies
Cure the disease, don't just treat the symptoms.

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Originally Posted by TH63

So we lock up a million or so muslim men in their 20's (Love to know where all these extra cells are going to come from btw) on the off chance that one or two of them might one day go on to commit and act of terror?
They would, understandably, be a bit pissed off at this, and no doubt feel even more marginalised than they already are. This would be like Christmas come early to any actual terrorists with thousands of young, pissed off muslims that they could radicalise and train to commit terrorist acts when they get out.

It's an emotive time, but it's a time for rational thought and solutions that would work.

Find out WHY these young feel compelled to take the lives of innocents.
Make them feel part of our society and not like our enemies
Cure the disease, don't just treat the symptoms.

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Great post, just my thoughts on this terrible act by a scumbag.

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Originally Posted by TH63

So we lock up a million or so muslim men in their 20's (Love to know where all these extra cells are going to come from btw) on the off chance that one or two of them might one day go on to commit and act of terror?
They would, understandably, be a bit pissed off at this, and no doubt feel even more marginalised than they already are. This would be like Christmas come early to any actual terrorists with thousands of young, pissed off muslims that they could radicalise and train to commit terrorist acts when they get out.

It's an emotive time, but it's a time for rational thought and solutions that would work.

Find out WHY these young feel compelled to take the lives of innocents.
Make them feel part of our society and not like our enemies
Cure the disease, don't just treat the symptoms.

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Some people need more stick than carrot and I think we're already seen as a soft touch in this country.

As a nation we need to seriously address the problems that religions are causing without constantly worrying about how hurt someone's feelings will be when we point out that their frankly insane belief in the teachings of some bell-end from a thousand years ago is fvcking shit up for us all.

Yes, all religions, I'm looking at you.

Taxing churches of all types and only allowing them to teach what they can scientifically prove is true would be a good start.