Queers and the BBC

to be fair doctor
everyone should be allowed to say what they like
freedom of speech and all that
banning of words or restriction of words reminds of the book 1984

101 % true

The amount of stuff on tv at the moment is to mark the 50th anniversary of the decriminalising of the uk gay laws.
Personally I think its an important thing to be covered and attitudes have changed, I can see that through my kids. When I was their age being gay was something to be laughed at or feared, to them its nothing.

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Originally Posted by I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS

to be fair doctor
everyone should be allowed to say what they like
freedom of speech and all that
banning of words or restriction of words reminds of the book 1984

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Freedom of speech in the USA goes way beyond what we call freedom of speech here because it's enshrined in their Constitution, but they don't have absolute freedom of speech which you appear to advocate.

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Originally Posted by I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS

to be fair doctor
everyone should be allowed to say what they like
freedom of speech and all that
banning of words or restriction of words reminds of the book 1984

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Everyone is free to say what they want but shouldn't be expected not to be challenged on their attitudes and to face the consequences of what they've said.

Political correctness has been good for the progression of the U.K. In some situations it got took too far (I got in trouble for asking for black coffee in a meeting once ffs) but on the whole not being able to use racist and bigoted language has been great for the country.

I do think being straight white men we probably find it difficult to appreciate how much the lives of minorities in this country have improved due to political correctness and changing attitudes.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Everyone is free to say what they want but shouldn't be expected not to be challenged on their attitudes and to face the consequences of what they've said.

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What kind of consequences would you have people face for saying stuff?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

You don't think terms like queer dancing are homophobic?

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Firstly, just saying "queer" isn't criticising someone for being gay.

Secondly:

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Everyone is free to say what they want but shouldn't be expected not to be challenged on their attitudes and to face the consequences of what they've said.

Political correctness has been good for the progression of the U.K. In some situations it got took too far (I got in trouble for asking for black coffee in a meeting once ffs) but on the whole not being able to use racist and bigoted language has been great for the country.

I do think being straight white men we probably find it difficult to appreciate how much the lives of minorities in this country have improved due to political correctness and changing attitudes.

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Is that judging people on their race and sexuality?

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Firstly, just saying "queer" isn't criticising someone for being gay.

Secondly:

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Favourite month?

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Is that judging people on their race and sexuality?

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Yes but by me who is that race and sexuality, I do think we have it easier than women, gay people and other races. Not every single white person but in my life I've never had to face any oppression or been abused due to my skin colour or beliefs so I think I always found it hard to emphasise with people who did.

I always had a very similar attitude to the colonel but when I moved from Wales I made a few friends who aren't white and seeing the stuff they have to put up with sometimes and how it can affect people who are normally not sensitive people made me rethink my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Yes but by me who is that race and sexuality, I do think we have it easier than women, gay people and other races. Not every single white person but in my life I've never had to face any oppression or been abused due to my skin colour or beliefs so I think I always found it hard to emphasise with people who did.

I always had a very similar attitude to the colonel but when I moved from Wales I made a few friends who aren't white and seeing the stuff they have to put up with sometimes and how it can affect people who are normally not sensitive people made me rethink my opinion.

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Yeah I know you are that race and sexuality but I still don't think you can speak for everyone else of that race and sexuality, just as I don't speak for all straight women or a gay man doesn't speak for all gays, every person is different and should not be lumped in to categories, that was all I meant.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Yeah I know you are that race and sexuality but I still don't think you can speak for everyone else of that race and sexuality, just as I don't speak for all straight women or a gay man doesn't speak for all gays, every person is different and should not be lumped in to categories, that was all I meant.

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I'm not speaking for them all but I just think generally being born a straight white male in the western world is a big advantage. It isn't the be all and end all of course but there is definitely a much lower chance of facing prejudice. Not that anyone should feel guilty about that I just think sometimes we comment on prejudice as being only words when, for me at least, it was a situation I couldn't really emphasise with.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I'm not speaking for them all but I just think generally being born a straight white male in the western world is a big advantage. It isn't the be all and end all of course but there is definitely a much lower chance of facing prejudice. Not that anyone should feel guilty about that I just think sometimes we comment on prejudice as being only words when, for me at least, it was a situation I couldn't really emphasise with.

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I know you are not now as you explained in your following post, I was just explaining what I meant, it's all good.

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Originally Posted by TH63

Now you see my issue is that to my mind such programmes, gay pride marches etc merely promote the fact that gay people are somehow different to the rest of us. They're not. They're just man/women/non-binary/whatever the correct term is this week.

Frankly what some bloke does at home with his boyfriend matters to me as much as what some other bloke does at home with his girlfriend. i.e Not at all.

We live in a society today where being gay is legal and acceptable, so why the need to celebrate ones sexuality? There may be some agenda with which I am unfamiliar, but surely the best way to be accepted as "normal" is to behave normally?

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We live in a society where being gay is legal and more acceptable than it was - but I know from the experiences of close friends and family that it is not acceptable to a lot of people, and there is still discrimination and violence against those whose sexuality is still seen by some as unnatural or deviant. Until that changes there is a need for pride marches - to challenge the abuse and discrimination, and for mutual support and solidarity.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

We live in a society where being gay is legal and more acceptable than it was - but I know from the experiences of close friends and family that it is not acceptable to a lot of people, and there is still discrimination and violence against those whose sexuality is still seen by some as unnatural or deviant. Until that changes there is a need for pride marches - to challenge the abuse and discrimination, and for mutual support and solidarity.

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I tend to agree with TH63 on this one.

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Originally Posted by elytillidie

Robert Millar now Philippa York...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/40529614

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Even the women wouldn't want him on their side .
Warra monster .

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Until that changes there is a need for pride marches - to challenge the abuse and discrimination, and for mutual support and solidarity.

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I posted a few years back about this, a work colleague of my wifes went to a " pride march "
he wore a leopard print thong and a feather boa ( if my memory is right ) and minced around the entire day

i asked " why the need to go over the top with the mincing ? ? "

we know you are gay, you really do not need to wear such a " outfit to shock " and that is all it was, a outfit to shock, it had nothing to do with being gay

if you are gay, get on with it, no need to shout " look at me, look at me " which brings me to the little Britain sketch, they went overboard with it, but it was acceptable because Lucas is gay ? ? ?

are " pride marches " really to " to challenge the abuse and discrimination, and for mutual support and solidarity " or are they designed to shout " look at me being gay " ? ? ?

Oh and the term " mincing " is not meant to be a derogatory term ( though i can predict a few who will take offence at it ) , we all know the over the top campness that some gays act like

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I posted a few years back about this, a work colleague of my wifes went to a " pride march "
he wore a leopard print thong and a feather boa ( if my memory is right ) and minced around the entire day

i asked " why the need to go over the top with the mincing ? ? "

we know you are gay, you really do not need to wear such a " outfit to shock " and that is all it was, a outfit to shock, it had nothing to do with being gay

if you are gay, get on with it, no need to shout " look at me, look at me " which brings me to the little Britain sketch, they went overboard with it, but it was acceptable because Lucas is gay ? ? ?

are " pride marches " really to " to challenge the abuse and discrimination, and for mutual support and solidarity " or are they designed to shout " look at me being gay " ? ? ?

Oh and the term " mincing " is not meant to be a derogatory term ( though i can predict a few who will take offence at it ) , we all know the over the top campness that some gays act like

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Look it's blue Matt with anecdotal evidence that's something new!

I think the real question is what's your problem with mincing about? Pride marches are to both challenge the abuse and discrimination and about look at me I'm gay and proud of it, hence the word pride.

What little Britain sketch did they go overboard with?

The worst thing about this post though is using "work colleague" how many other types of colleague do you get?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

In my book, consenting adults can do whatever they choose to do together in private. Should a bloke want to insert his pecker in some bloke or woman's Aris then all fine and dandy. But no law, or attempts to normalise via happy-clappy news stories will ever convince me that sodomy is anything other than abnormal and deviant behaviour.

Say what you will about our much maligned Muslim friends but they would never indulge in arse banditry. Well, not with humans anyhow. That's not to say they wouldn't be tempted if an attractive goat came into view.

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You don't know much about muslims then !
Women are for child bearing and men are for pleasure ...

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Look it's blue Matt with anecdotal evidence that's something new!

I think the real question is what's your problem with mincing about? Pride marches are to both challenge the abuse and discrimination and about look at me I'm gay and proud of it, hence the word pride.

What little Britain sketch did they go overboard with?

The worst thing about this post though is using "work colleague" how many other types of colleague do you get?

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Badmington colleague ?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Badmington colleague ?

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Nope, try again

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Nope, try again

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Cycling colleague ( topical )

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Cycling colleague ( topical )

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Only if you're a professional cyclist even then you would only need the word colleague.

I'm not white mate lol
I'm a wop or Italian before my post gets deleted lol

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Originally Posted by jon1959

We live in a society where being gay is legal and more acceptable than it was - but I know from the experiences of close friends and family that it is not acceptable to a lot of people, and there is still discrimination and violence against those whose sexuality is still seen by some as unnatural or deviant. Until that changes there is a need for pride marches - to challenge the abuse and discrimination, and for mutual support and solidarity.

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In that case, fair enough I guess. I had thought we'd moved on to be honest.

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Originally Posted by I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS

I'm not white mate lol
I'm a wop or Italian before my post gets deleted lol

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eh?!

I 8 Spaghetti.
Then I 8 some more.

you forgot the meatballs lol
I think I replyed to you instead of crosey lol

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Look it's blue Matt with anecdotal evidence that's something new!

I think the real question is what's your problem with mincing about? Pride marches are to both challenge the abuse and discrimination and about look at me I'm gay and proud of it, hence the word pride.

What little Britain sketch did they go overboard with?

The worst thing about this post though is using "work colleague" how many other types of colleague do you get?

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Perfectly normal and acceptable terminology, I usually describe people i know through work as a colleague as i tend not to have friends at work (by choice, I keep work and private life separate) I occasionally socialise with fellow workers around Happy Holiday time and special occasions, but WTF is mincing around!!!

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Perfectly normal and acceptable terminology, I usually describe people i know through work as a colleague as i tend not to have friends at work (by choice, I keep work and private life separate) I occasionally socialise with fellow workers around Happy Holiday time and special occasions, but WTF is mincing around!!!

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keeping the personal and the professional separate is vital Nescon
I just asked fruity what mincing around actually means
and he told me to watch monty python ministry of silly walks lol

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Perfectly normal and acceptable terminology, I usually describe people i know through work as a colleague as i tend not to have friends at work (by choice, I keep work and private life separate) I occasionally socialise with fellow workers around Happy Holiday time and special occasions, but WTF is mincing around!!!

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It's just colleague not work colleague, the word work is superfluous

It shows both my age and the times I grew up in, but I was probably in my mid twenties when I first met someone who was openly gay. Up to that time, my perception of homosexuals was formed by what I saw on television. In particular, Larry Grayson and John Inman - as for what "mincing" means, a You Tube search of something like "John Inman, Are you Being Served" will enable you to see someone "mincing" and will explain the word far better than I can.

Returning to the first gay man I knew, I think it's probably fair to say that most people would have guessed that he was even if he hadn't been so open about it. I met him in work and I must admit to being a bit wary when I was told that I would be sitting at the desk next to him, but that feeling only lasted a matter of minutes or hours at the very most, because I soon discovered he was a kind, funny and generous person.

My perception of what a homosexual was changed forever after meeting him to the extent that I disliked the second openly gay man I came across (also at work) because he went out of his way to play up to the Grayson/Inman stereotype and I always found myself thinking why would he want to do that?

Yes, homophobia is still out there, but things are far, far better today than they were twenty years ago - the day when a top male footballer admits to being gay cannot be too far away and I'd be very hopeful that they would get a lot less abuse than they might have imagined beforehand.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Look it's blue Matt with anecdotal evidence that's something new!

I think the real question is what's your problem with mincing about? Pride marches are to both challenge the abuse and discrimination and about look at me I'm gay and proud of it, hence the word pride.

I completely understand the pride in being gay, that is fine, just do not understand the need to mince while doing it ( so save your next question, TOBW has said how to look for example of mincing )

do you not feel gays can be proud of being gay without mincing and my example wearing a leopard print thong and feather boa ? ?

What little Britain sketch did they go overboard with?

for such a self proclaimed "clever person " ( afterall you do like to throw around the idiot insult alot, so i guess you must be really really clever ) you must know about the only gay in the village

The worst thing about this post though is using "work colleague" how many other types of colleague do you get?

truly pathetic, well done :wave:

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Look it's Croesy Blue with another post that brings nothing to the discussion except a chance to have a petty points argument which will go on and on and go nowhere as the goalposts will move every single time

but go on then, its raining and i am stuck at home, i will play along and give you some attention for a while till the rain stops

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It's just colleague not work colleague, the word work is superfluous

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Perhaps to you it is. For me, its a totally harmless expression. If i asked someone from work to a Party that I had organised for someone in my family on their arrival, I would introduce the person to my family as a work colleague, this would make it perfectly clear the relationship between myself and the person, "this is a colleague of mine" doesn't paint the whole picture

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Perhaps to you it is. For me, its a totally harmless expression. If i asked someone from work to a Party that I had organised for someone in my family on their arrival, I would introduce the person to my family as a work colleague, this would make it perfectly clear the relationship between myself and the person, "this is a colleague of mine" doesn't paint the whole picture

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It isn't a harmful expression in the slightest it is just stupid, introducing someone as a colleague does paint the whole picture. A work colleague and a colleague is exactly the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It isn't a harmful expression in the slightest it is just stupid, introducing someone as a colleague does paint the whole picture. A work colleague and a colleague is exactly the same thing.

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If you want.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Look it's Croesy Blue with another post that brings nothing to the discussion except a chance to have a petty points argument which will go on and on and go nowhere as the goalposts will move every single time

but go on then, its raining and i am stuck at home, i will play along and give you some attention for a while till the rain stops

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Gays can be proud about it without doing that but they also have the freedom to do whatever they want within the confines of the law. It just sounds like it makes you feel uncomfortable which is fair enough but they can do whatever they want, just avoid it if it makes you uncomfotable the same as I try and avoid people who make me uncomfortable without questioning why they do it. People do and like different things you just need to accept that, it's your problem not theirs.

The little britain point just seems weird considerig David Walliams plays the exact same character in several episodes and is apparntley straight.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It isn't a harmful expression in the slightest it is just stupid, introducing someone as a colleague does paint the whole picture. A work colleague and a colleague is exactly the same thing.

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You really need to get out more.

Or get laid.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

You really need to get out more.

Or get laid.

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I've got 3 girlfriends pal I can't help being educated ;)

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I've got 3 girlfriends pal I can't help being educated ;)

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are you gluey in disguise :sherlock:

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It isn't a harmful expression in the slightest it is just stupid, introducing someone as a colleague does paint the whole picture. A work colleague and a colleague is exactly the same thing.

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Colleague

NOUN

a person with whom one works in a profession or business.

synonyms: fellow worker · workmate · teammate · co-worker · associate · partner · co-partner · collaborator · ally · comrade · companion · confederate · confrère · oppo · offsider · compeer · consociate

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