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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
DubaiDai
Plus I remember a lot of championship managers bemoaning the fact that we landed Bellamy on the cheap while he was still more than capable of remaining in the Premier league.
I do not accept for one minute that MM achieved promotion on "next to nothing".
At least not based on spending at that time.
Spending £50M for the PL promotion would still be regarded as an excellent budget in todays market.
This thread is all about I hate Tan ignore the Malkay cock up ,let move on as we now have a real manager
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
This thread is all about I hate Tan ignore the Malkay cock up ,let move on as we now have a real manager
To be honest there are still a lot of bitter and twisted people about. For Christ’s sake he changed the colour of the shirt from blue to red, didn’t the Club change from brown/yellow quarters to blue previously? Anyone would have thought it was the end of the world.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
To be honest there are still a lot of bitter and twisted people about. For Christ’s sake he changed the colour of the shirt from blue to red, didn’t the Club change from brown/yellow quarters to blue previously? Anyone would have thought it was the end of the world.
Bitter, twisted, Riverside, classic.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Bitter, twisted, Riverside, classic.
Would you like some gin to go with the bitter lemon?
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
This thread is all about I hate Tan ignore the Malkay cock up ,let move on as we now have a real manager
Strange thing is this topic only gets revisited when Tan is in town,would be great to hear him say Let's move on as we now have a real manager,if he says something to that effect then the Malky supporters can move on also.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
To be honest there are still a lot of bitter and twisted people about. For Christ’s sake he changed the colour of the shirt from blue to red, didn’t the Club change from brown/yellow quarters to blue previously? Anyone would have thought it was the end of the world.
On a serous note i would love to play in our true colours of brown/yellow quarters , great if it was our second kit , I d buy a top , and a scarf , those colour's tend to suit my lovely complexion , I've never looked good in red or blue ,tends to to throw my looks off piste , the pastel shades are for me draws the ladies in .
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Would you like some gin to go with the bitter lemon?
And some Ice :wink:
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
Based on VT behavoiur, comments, interviews and actions he comes across to me as a pretty unpleasant egotistical individual who got into a sport he knew nothing about and got his figures burned. He himself has a lot to answer for. He did some crazy things which made him look a crazy man. He likes to boast about making literally hundreds of millions a year but then rages about selective transfer dealings which he claims cost him a fortune but in reality are loose change in the great sphere of things to him. Truth is MM stood up to him and he defended his squad and his own performance. Tan hated it but MM had the fans behind him and Tan hated that. Eventually Tan removed him and has led a misplaced crusade against MM ever since. VT made the fatal mistake of threatening CCFC supporters with their own club. I hope he realises that now?
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
I think Malky's biggest mistake was blowing all that money on Cornelius, then going to the press saying he needed more money to strengthen the side.
It'd be like me giving the Mrs £100 to go to Tesco, her spending it on shite like scented candles, then complaining that I haven't given her enough money to buy food with.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
TH63
I think Malky's biggest mistake was blowing all that money on Cornelius, then going to the press saying he needed more money to strengthen the side.
It'd be like me giving the Mrs £100 to go to Tesco, her spending it on shite like scented candles, then complaining that I haven't given her enough money to buy food with.
He started believing his own hype and got too big for his boots.
Appearing on MOTD, leaking stories to the press, publically taking on the owner whilst playing the fans at the same time.
Only a desperate Wigan prepared to take a punt on him speaks volumes what the fooball world thinks of him.
Gone back to Scotland where his old fella was able to pull some strings and get him somekind of job for the boys.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Since64
Strange thing is this topic only gets revisited when Tan is in town,would be great to hear him say Let's move on as we now have a real manager,if he says something to that effect then the Malky supporters can move on also.
Tan has to leave for the club to move on and he is talking to new buyers
Good bye Tan
Bad buy Tan
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Would you like some gin to go with the bitter lemon?
Oooh, you are awful, but....
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
TH63
I think Malky's biggest mistake was blowing all that money on Cornelius, then going to the press saying he needed more money to strengthen the side.
I think his biggest mistake was probably leaving Watford.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
CCFCPhil
Tan has to leave for the club to move on and he is talking to new buyers
Good bye Tan
Bad buy Tan
Good bye Tan
Bad buy Tan (thought he bought us )
And I'd add to to your poem
""Good bye City"" if we get your wish of a good bye Tan .
Strangely no one in Wales wants to own us since the sad demise of Ken Thorne World of Cars .
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
He started believing his own hype and got too big for his boots.
Appearing on MOTD, leaking stories to the press, publically taking on the owner whilst playing the fans at the same time.
Only a desperate Wigan prepared to take a punt on him speaks volumes what the fooball world thinks of him.
Gone back to Scotland where his old fella was able to pull some strings and get him somekind of job for the boys.
Ah, I remember that MOTD bit - wasn't that the one where he was asked about the Everton job and was smirking?
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
He started believing his own hype and got too big for his boots.
Appearing on MOTD, leaking stories to the press, publically taking on the owner whilst playing the fans at the same time.
Only a desperate Wigan prepared to take a punt on him speaks volumes what the fooball world thinks of him.
Gone back to Scotland where his old fella was able to pull some strings and get him somekind of job for the boys.
To be fair, Palace were days/hours away from announcing him as their new manager after he left us... until Tan intervened.
He may well have been shite for them, but we'll never truly know.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Good bye Tan
Bad buy Tan (thought he bought us )
And I'd add to to your poem
""Good bye City"" if we get your wish of a good bye Tan .
Strangely no one in Wales wants to own us since the sad demise of Ken Thorne World of Cars .
Who in Wales can afford a Championship club that is still poorly run?
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Kris
Who in Wales can afford a Championship club that is still poorly run?
Croesy.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
CCFCPhil
Tan has to leave for the club to move on and he is talking to new buyers
Good bye Tan
Bad buy Tan
Who would they be then? Let us all in on your ITK information.
you are such a boring pessimistic twat. Why don't you fvck off.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Kris
Who in Wales can afford a Championship club that is still poorly run?
We'll see next season after the Jacks get relegated...
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
Tan is merely using Cornelius as distraction. And it looks like a lot of you are falling for it. How much money did the club rake in from being promoted to the Premier League with Malky at the helm? And everyone's crying about one transfer that didn't work out? Smells rotten to me. The rebrand probably cost more than Cornelius? Who's Tan going to blame for that?
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
Tan is merely using Cornelius as distraction. And it looks like a lot of you are falling for it. How much money did the club rake in from being promoted to the Premier League with Malky at the helm? And everyone's crying about one transfer that didn't work out? Smells rotten to me. The rebrand probably cost more than Cornelius? Who's Tan going to blame for that?
Even if the rebrand cost us less than Cornelius (which I suspect it might have), once you add in all of the money wasted on bad buys since Malky Mackay left and what it cost us to cancel their contracts in many cases, it dwarfs the money Mackay wasted on the Dane.
I deliberately avoided this thread for a while because it's a subject that's got nothing new to be said on it - I've mellowed towards Vincent Tan a bit in recent years, but I just don't get why he needed to bring Cornelius/Mackay up yet again on the weekend.
Anyway, what prompted me to finally post in the thread was this rubbish posted by ccfc_is_my_life as he decided to rewrite history;-
"Season we went into the Prem, wasn't it something like last 12 games we got 17 points out of a possible 36? We limped into the Prem, aided by teams around us also slumping. It was as if nobody wanted to go up!"
The truth is we won the league easing up by eight points, so "limping into the Prem", is complete drivel! The League was won in a three month burst of form after the Peterborough home defeat in December that took us miles clear of the chasing pack.
I know it's painful for some to admit, but we were the best team in the Championship by a distance that season. We had a go at playing open, entertaining football for the first three months of the campaign and succeeded in doing so at times, but there were too many away goals conceded and too many defeats on our travels, so that approach was, rightly, binned after Charlton 5 Cardiff 4 in early November - there are things that Malky Mackay can legitimately be criticised for, but you'll never catch me having a go at him for doing something no other City manager has achieved in it's history.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Even if the rebrand cost us less than Cornelius (which I suspect it might have), once you add in all of the money wasted on bad buys since Malky Mackay left and what it cost us to cancel their contracts in many cases, it dwarfs the money Mackay wasted on the Dane.
I deliberately avoided this thread for a while because it's a subject that's got nothing new to be said on it - I've mellowed towards Vincent Tan a bit in recent years, but I just don't get why he needed to bring Cornelius/Mackay up yet again on the weekend.
Anyway, what prompted me to finally post in the thread was this rubbish posted by ccfc_is_my_life as he decided to rewrite history;-
"Season we went into the Prem, wasn't it something like last 12 games we got 17 points out of a possible 36? We limped into the Prem, aided by teams around us also slumping. It was as if nobody wanted to go up!"
The truth is we won the league easing up by eight points, so "limping into the Prem", is complete drivel! The League was won in a three month burst of form after the Peterborough home defeat in December that took us miles clear of the chasing pack.
I know it's painful for some to admit, but we were the best team in the Championship by a distance that season. We had a go at playing open, entertaining football for the first three months of the campaign and succeeded in doing so at times, but there were too many away goals conceded and too many defeats on our travels, so that approach was, rightly, binned after Charlton 5 Cardiff 4 in early November - there are things that Malky Mackay can legitimately be criticised for, but you'll never catch me having a go at him for doing something no other City manager has achieved in it's history.
Good assessment, but other managers won promotion to the top division.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Who would they be then? Let us all in on your ITK information.
you are such a boring pessimistic twat. Why don't you fvck off.
First Tan says he has talked to parties.
Second why is this message and poster still here?
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
what? you want everyone who tells you to feck off banned, add me to the list then
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
CCFCPhil
Good assessment, but other managers won promotion to the top division.
None of them did it by winning the league though.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Even if the rebrand cost us less than Cornelius (which I suspect it might have), once you add in all of the money wasted on bad buys since Malky Mackay left and what it cost us to cancel their contracts in many cases, it dwarfs the money Mackay wasted on the Dane.
I deliberately avoided this thread for a while because it's a subject that's got nothing new to be said on it - I've mellowed towards Vincent Tan a bit in recent years, but I just don't get why he needed to bring Cornelius/Mackay up yet again on the weekend.
Anyway, what prompted me to finally post in the thread was this rubbish posted by ccfc_is_my_life as he decided to rewrite history;-
"Season we went into the Prem, wasn't it something like last 12 games we got 17 points out of a possible 36? We limped into the Prem, aided by teams around us also slumping. It was as if nobody wanted to go up!"
The truth is we won the league easing up by eight points, so "limping into the Prem", is complete drivel! The League was won in a three month burst of form after the Peterborough home defeat in December that took us miles clear of the chasing pack.
I know it's painful for some to admit, but we were the best team in the Championship by a distance that season. We had a go at playing open, entertaining football for the first three months of the campaign and succeeded in doing so at times, but there were too many away goals conceded and too many defeats on our travels, so that approach was, rightly, binned after Charlton 5 Cardiff 4 in early November - there are things that Malky Mackay can legitimately be criticised for, but you'll never catch me having a go at him for doing something no other City manager has achieved in it's history.
Rubbish? We limped into the Prem in poor form, are you seriously denying that? The work was done earlier, come the end of the season we struggled - as did many of the teams around us. As I joked to a mate at the time, it seemed nobody wanted to go up!
Are you denying the last 12 games gave 17 points out of 36? If you're arguing that Malky deliberately tightened things up I'd not disagree but due to that points return we went up with little momentum. It also set the pattern for our Prem campaign under Malky, ie sitting back, defending like crazy and counter-attacking with a squad with little pace. Personally, think we got up too soon. Squad needed major work.
Did we get into the Prem under Malky? Yes. Does that make him a great manager? Behave...
I'd also point out football existed before the Prem; other City managers got us promoted to the top division in our history.
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We drew our last three games, thus dropping six points, after promotion was secured. We were 8 points clear of second place, and ten points clear of third.
That's hardly limping over the line.
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Er, I told you why the 2012/13 promotion to the top flight is unique in Cardiff City's history in the post above yours.
Last time I looked, the Championship was decided over forty six games, not the last twelve of a forty six match season - your attempts to rubbish our achievement is akin to someone trying to say Chelsea didn't deserve to win the Premier League last season because they only took one point from their three games in September!
I'll take your word for it that we only took seventeen points from our last twelve matches in 2013/13, but when you end up eight points clear of anyone else, does that matter? The 2012/13 Championship was like a 1,500 metres race where the winner takes the lead after the first lap, then puts in two very fast laps which break the spirit of the chasing pack, thus making the final 400 metres a procession.
I'm not going to get involved in Malky Mackay v Vincent Tan arguments in which I have said all I wanted to on the subject many times already over a period of four years or more, but this view that I hear from quite a few City fans that our title win in 12/13 is somehow devalued because of what happened in the following twelve months annoys me - we won the league by a street that year and that isn't altered by the fact that everyone at the club, apart from David Marshall, cocked up to varying degrees the following season.
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Who is rubbishing the achievement? The reality is we struggled at the end of season - something that seems to happen every season in Mackay coached teams - and that other teams also dropped a lot of points at the end. A different season, that could well have cost us.
The point I'm trying and probably failing to make is that struggling in that manner kills the momentum of winning the title. We became far, far more defensive as a consequence and as I said you can't effectively counter-attack if you've no pace in the side. Malky built and left an unbalanced side. It's only now, under Warnock, that we've got a squad with a nice mix of players able to adapt and play in different styles.
My issue is with the "Malky is a great manager, one of our best because we won the title" argument. We've had far better managers in our time, even at lower levels.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
ccfc_is_my_life
Who is rubbishing the achievement? The reality is we struggled at the end of season - something that seems to happen every season in Mackay coached teams - and that other teams also dropped a lot of points at the end. A different season, that could well have cost us.
The point I'm trying and probably failing to make is that struggling in that manner kills the momentum of winning the title. We became far, far more defensive as a consequence and as I said you can't effectively counter-attack if you've no pace in the side. Malky built and left an unbalanced side. It's only now, under Warnock, that we've got a squad with a nice mix of players able to adapt and play in different styles.
My issue is with the "Malky is a great manager, one of our best because we won the title" argument. We've had far better managers in our time, even at lower levels.
No it isn't. It really isn't.
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Originally Posted by
Packerman
what? you want everyone who tells you to feck off banned, add me to the list then
Other people can discuss without the abuse. If you are incapable, then it's not my fault. If Mike is happy with your behaviour so be it. One poster had an infraction for being flippant, you are worse than that.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
Last 12 games from that season
From the games that mattered we got 14 points out of a possible 27
36. Round 05/03/2013 Derby County 1:1 (0:0)
29. Round 12/03/2013 Leicester City 1:1 (0:0)
38. Round 16/03/2013 Sheffield Wednesday 2:0 (1:0)
39. Round 30/03/2013 Peterborough United 1:2 (1:0)
40. Round 01/04/2013 Blackburn Rovers 3:0 (1:0)
41. Round 06/04/2013 Watford FC 0:0 (0:0)
37. Round 09/04/2013 Barnsley FC 1:1 (0:0)
42. Round 13/04/2013 Nottingham Forest 3:0 (1:0)
43. Round 16/04/2013 Charlton Athletic 0:0 (0:0) - PROMOTED
44. Round 20/04/2013 Burnley FC 1:1 (1:0) CHAMPIONS
45. Round 27/04/2013 Bolton Wanderers 1:1 (0:1)
46. Round 04/05/2013 Hull City 2:2 (0:0)
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
TH63
No it isn't. It really isn't.
They took their foot off the gas, promotion was never in doubt after a shaky start. One of the easiest promotions at Cardiff ever.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
TH63
No it isn't. It really isn't.
17 points out of 36.
We weren't losing - only the one loss but 3 wins in 12 doesn't make great reading.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Er, I told you why the 2012/13 promotion to the top flight is unique in Cardiff City's history in the post above yours.
Last time I looked, the Championship was decided over forty six games, not the last twelve of a forty six match season - your attempts to rubbish our achievement is akin to someone trying to say Chelsea didn't deserve to win the Premier League last season because they only took one point from their three games in September!
I'll take your word for it that we only took seventeen points from our last twelve matches in 2013/13, but when you end up eight points clear of anyone else, does that matter? The 2012/13 Championship was like a 1,500 metres race where the winner takes the lead after the first lap, then puts in two very fast laps which break the spirit of the chasing pack, thus making the final 400 metres a procession.
I'm not going to get involved in Malky Mackay v Vincent Tan arguments in which I have said all I wanted to on the subject many times already over a period of four years or more, but this view that I hear from quite a few City fans that our title win in 12/13 is somehow devalued because of what happened in the following twelve months annoys me - we won the league by a street that year and that isn't altered by the fact that everyone at the club, apart from David Marshall, cocked up to varying degrees the following season.
I'm pretty certain that if we'd finished strongly but missed out on promotion certain posters would not be quoting that string of games as being significant. The results across the season would then I'm sure be deemed far more important.
We were also promoted with 4 games to go so hardly the normal competitive end-of-season environment to keep us right on our toes. Winning the league by 8 points cannot be dressed up as some kind of failure no matter how much it suits your agenda.
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Originally Posted by
ccfc_is_my_life
17 points out of 36.
We weren't losing - only the one loss but 3 wins in 12 doesn't make great reading.
Whereas being top of the league with 0 matches to play made fantastic reading.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
ccfc_is_my_life
17 points out of 36.
We weren't losing - only the one loss but 3 wins in 12 doesn't make great reading.
As I said in the other post, from the games that mattered we got 14 points out of a possible 27. The last three games which we drew were meaningless.