Latest gun massacre USA....

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Chris rock had the best solution.
Bullets should be taxed until they cost $5000 a shot

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I had a go with a glock at a gun range in the states. Cost was pretty cheap and I had to buy a box of bullets. Pack of 50 rounds cost about $20

RIP to all who died and commiserations to their families and friends.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The thing about that is when was the last time a civilian with a gun stopped one of these lunatics? It's almost always the police.

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One of the guitarists who was playing at the festival has released a statement and he makes an excellent point about this. He said members of the crew had licences and even had access to legal fire arms on the bus.

But they couldn't use them because the police would have thought they were part of the attack and shot them.

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Originally Posted by lardy

One of the guitarists who was playing at the festival has released a statement and he makes an excellent point about this. He said members of the crew had licences and even had access to legal fire arms on the bus.

But they couldn't use them because the police would have thought they were part of the attack and shot them.

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I think it's happened before where a "good guy" with a gun trying to stop a "bad guy" with a gun has been mistaken for the original shooter and shot.

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Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas

You've completely misunderstood his post. He was illustrating the fact that more Americans are killed by other Americans, yet the likes of Trump and the right wing in the US would have you believe that Islamic extremism is the biggest problem facing their society.

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'James fox' totally missed the point, which was surely obvious to all and sundry.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

RIP to all who died and commiserations to their families and friends.

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Best post on this thread and my sentiments exactly.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I think it's happened before where a "good guy" with a gun trying to stop a "bad guy" with a gun has been mistaken for the original shooter and shot.

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There's a futurama clip to sum up the good guy with a gun argument: https://youtu.be/v5JiPj9c98Y

Those who are more supportive of gun culture are suggesting talking about the issue shows disrespect to those who have lost their lives. Not talking about it, not taking action has contributed to yet more people losing their lives so continuing to do that shows greater disrespect.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Number of Americans killed on battlefields in every war in history - 1.3million

Number killed with guns on US soil since 1968 - 1.5million

Number killed by Islamic immigrants in the last 15 years - 20

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Yeah on the same day that 58 people were gunned down I think that guns should be banned. What a monster I am!

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Exactly, my point was there's muslim travel ban yet still no appetite for proper gun control.

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This Thread did not need any mention of Islamic immigrants or Muslims.

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Originally Posted by James fox

This Thread did not need any mention of Islamic immigrants or Muslims.

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I think old Croesy was just trying to point out the enemy within America there. Maybe Trumpy should look at that first rather than banning muslim's

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Originally Posted by James fox

This Thread did not need any mention of Islamic immigrants or Muslims.

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Why not? Trump has spent the last year telling Americans that Muslims (any Muslims if the logic of the travel ban is followed - not just Islamist terrorists) are the main threat, but most incidents of mass murder are carried out by white non-Muslims who exploit the easy availability of guns, and the gun culture that is endorsed and celebrated by Trump and his allies.

When another tragic and murderous event takes place that contradicts and exposes the stance of the president it is absolutely right for people to comment on the priorities of Trump and his government. That includes their resistance to gun control (or even regulation) and their false depiction of Muslims as the danger to innocent citizens.

It makes no difference to the victims what anyone on a British football messageboard say about the terrible massacre in Las Vegas. But I'm sure it is much more respectful and relevant to talk about the real issues and causes (including the failures of the American president) than avoid them and trot out some version of 'warmest condolences'! Ban guns not travel.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Why not? Trump has spent the last year telling Americans that Muslims (any Muslims if the logic of the travel ban is followed - not just Islamist terrorists) are the main threat, but most incidents of mass murder are carried out by white non-Muslims who exploit the easy availability of guns, and the gun culture that is endorsed and celebrated by Trump and his allies.

When another tragic and murderous event takes place that contradicts and exposes the stance of the president it is absolutely right for people to comment on the priorities of Trump and his government. That includes their resistance to gun control (or even regulation) and their false depiction of Muslims as the danger to innocent citizens.

It makes no difference to the victims what anyone on a British football messageboard say about the terrible massacre in Las Vegas. But I'm sure it is much more respectful and relevant to talk about the real issues and causes (including the failures of the American president) than avoid them and trot out some version of 'warmest condolences'! Ban guns not travel.

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Amen to this.Great post.

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Originally Posted by James fox

This Thread did not need any mention of Islamic immigrants or Muslims.

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It did. It's relevant because they're happy to ban muslims but not guns, even though one has been proven to be almost a million times more deadly.

Within the last week a toddler in a nursery found a gun and shot two other toddlers. Another one found a gun in his dad’s car and shot himself in the head.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Why not? Trump has spent the last year telling Americans that Muslims (any Muslims if the logic of the travel ban is followed - not just Islamist terrorists) are the main threat, but most incidents of mass murder are carried out by white non-Muslims who exploit the easy availability of guns, and the gun culture that is endorsed and celebrated by Trump and his allies.

When another tragic and murderous event takes place that contradicts and exposes the stance of the president it is absolutely right for people to comment on the priorities of Trump and his government. That includes their resistance to gun control (or even regulation) and their false depiction of Muslims as the danger to innocent citizens.

It makes no difference to the victims what anyone on a British football messageboard say about the terrible massacre in Las Vegas. But I'm sure it is much more respectful and relevant to talk about the real issues and causes (including the failures of the American president) than avoid them and trot out some version of 'warmest condolences'! Ban guns not travel.

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Well said sir.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Why not? Trump has spent the last year telling Americans that Muslims (any Muslims if the logic of the travel ban is followed - not just Islamist terrorists) are the main threat, but most incidents of mass murder are carried out by white non-Muslims who exploit the easy availability of guns, and the gun culture that is endorsed and celebrated by Trump and his allies.

When another tragic and murderous event takes place that contradicts and exposes the stance of the president it is absolutely right for people to comment on the priorities of Trump and his government. That includes their resistance to gun control (or even regulation) and their false depiction of Muslims as the danger to innocent citizens.

It makes no difference to the victims what anyone on a British football messageboard say about the terrible massacre in Las Vegas. But I'm sure it is much more respectful and relevant to talk about the real issues and causes (including the failures of the American president) than avoid them and trot out some version of 'warmest condolences'! Ban guns not travel.

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Great post

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Why not? Trump has spent the last year telling Americans that Muslims (any Muslims if the logic of the travel ban is followed - not just Islamist terrorists) are the main threat, but most incidents of mass murder are carried out by white non-Muslims who exploit the easy availability of guns, and the gun culture that is endorsed and celebrated by Trump and his allies.

When another tragic and murderous event takes place that contradicts and exposes the stance of the president it is absolutely right for people to comment on the priorities of Trump and his government. That includes their resistance to gun control (or even regulation) and their false depiction of Muslims as the danger to innocent citizens.

It makes no difference to the victims what anyone on a British football messageboard say about the terrible massacre in Las Vegas. But I'm sure it is much more respectful and relevant to talk about the real issues and causes (including the failures of the American president) than avoid them and trot out some version of 'warmest condolences'! Ban guns not travel.

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Spot on.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Why not? Trump has spent the last year telling Americans that Muslims (any Muslims if the logic of the travel ban is followed - not just Islamist terrorists) are the main threat, but most incidents of mass murder are carried out by white non-Muslims who exploit the easy availability of guns, and the gun culture that is endorsed and celebrated by Trump and his allies.

When another tragic and murderous event takes place that contradicts and exposes the stance of the president it is absolutely right for people to comment on the priorities of Trump and his government. That includes their resistance to gun control (or even regulation) and their false depiction of Muslims as the danger to innocent citizens.

It makes no difference to the victims what anyone on a British football messageboard say about the terrible massacre in Las Vegas. But I'm sure it is much more respectful and relevant to talk about the real issues and causes (including the failures of the American president) than avoid them and trot out some version of 'warmest condolences'! Ban guns not travel.

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Like many on here, I've been to the United States on numerous occasions, and i'm sure it's probably the same throughout the country, but my time spent in Texas was a bit surreal, it seemed as easy to buy guns as it was to buy vegetables in Walmart. In the drinking dens, quite a few were dressing the part as cowboys, Thump was funded substantially by the gun lobby during his campaign and like those before him, he'll find it very very difficult (if he has the will) to tighten laws, I don't see that any POTUS would ever get a ban through

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

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Like many on here, I've been to the United States on numerous occasions, and i'm sure it's probably the same throughout the country, but my time spent in Texas was a bit surreal, it seemed as easy to buy guns as it was to buy vegetables in Walmart. In the drinking dens, quite a few were dressing the part as cowboys, Thump was funded substantially by the gun lobby during his campaign and like those before him, he'll find it very very difficult (if he has the will) to tighten laws, I don't see that any POTUS would ever get a ban through

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I was thinking of that earlier Donald taking money from the NRA when he could have funded his own campaign? Why tie you're hands?

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Originally Posted by joecity

I was thinking of that earlier Donald taking money from the NRA when he could have funded his own campaign? Why tie you're hands?

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Maybe he couldn't fund his own campaign.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Maybe he couldn't fund his own campaign.

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Or wasn't allowed too.

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Originally Posted by joecity

Or wasn't allowed too.

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Sorry I will explain it more what I mean. To get the Republican nomination getting in bed with the NRA is part of the deal maybe?

Look at this....

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLq...kU6cgZBf.3t64-

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Originally Posted by joecity

Look at this....

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLq...kU6cgZBf.3t64-

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Or look at this!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=wYC6kOcX6TI

Jesus Campos, hero Vegas security guard shot before rampage, appears to have vanished

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...016-story.html

58 People Were Killed In Las Vegas, We Still Don't Know Why Or How, And Nobody Cares

http://www.dailywire.com/news/24188/vegas-matt-walsh

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

58 People Were Killed In Las Vegas, We Still Don't Know Why Or How, And Nobody Cares

http://www.dailywire.com/news/24188/vegas-matt-walsh

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They aren’t going to change their gun laws which would be the most fitting tribute to the victims, they’ve obviously moved on.

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

They aren’t going to change their gun laws which would be the most fitting tribute to the victims, they’ve obviously moved on.

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I thought the collective amnesia angle was interesting. People have been trained to be outraged for a few days, virtue signal like crazy, and then forget that anything ever happened. Rinse and repeat.