VALLEY COPS, BBC 1 Wales 9pm (now) . Should be a laugh.

Apparently there's 90,000 Britons of working age in receipt of ESA who are too ill to work because they're drug or alcohol addicted. They are unemployed but not counted as such, and the benefit isn't time limited so there's no big stick waved to motivate them to sort themselves out. Effectively they're paid an income to remain in the same rut. Meanwhile there's people suffering debilitating non self-inflicted conditions which will never improve who are found fit for work and pointed towards their nearest JobCentre where staff are under pressure to issue sanctions and/or compel people to work for nothing.

On the subject of drugs, troedyrhiw...

There is that street coming merthyr vale way, where there are blatantly a shed load of drug addicts. They're walking around in their PJ's at about 5 in the afternoon. You cant tell by their faces they're struggling with their vices.

How could so many end up in that few row of terraces?.

As police regularly are parked on the pavement there. Its almost as if it is arranged, as if they've been put there on purpose.

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Apparently there's 90,000 Britons of working age in receipt of ESA who are too ill to work because they're drug or alcohol addicted. They are unemployed but not counted as such, and the benefit isn't time limited so there's no big stick waved to motivate them to sort themselves out. Effectively they're paid an income to remain in the same rut. Meanwhile there's people suffering debilitating non self-inflicted conditions which will never improve who are found fit for work and pointed towards their nearest JobCentre where staff are under pressure to issue sanctions and/or compel people to work for nothing.

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And you think legalising heroin and crack will solve this problem? Mega LOLZ.

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On the subject of drugs, troedyrhiw...

There is that street coming merthyr vale way, where there are blatantly a shed load of drug addicts. They're walking around in their PJ's at about 5 in the afternoon. You cant tell by their faces they're struggling with their vices.

How could so many end up in that few row of terraces?.

As police regularly are parked on the pavement there. Its almost as if it is arranged, as if they've been put there on purpose.

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Good. Better to have all the wrong-uns in one area where police can keep an eye on them.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

And you think legalising heroin and crack will solve this problem? Mega LOLZ.

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Worked in Portugal. Crime has dropped loads, and the risk of disease from dirty needles has made a huge difference.

The war on drugs is a joke. And makes you wonder what's in it for the powers that be.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10301780.html

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Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86

Worked in Portugal. Crime has dropped loads, and the risk of disease from dirty needles has made a huge difference.

The war on drugs is a joke. And makes you wonder what's in it for the powers that be.

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Yes it might make it a bit safer but where the fcuk are these people going to find £5,6,700 a week without there being criminal activity? Theyve still got to feed their habit, legal or not. They will still have to beg and steal, whore themselves out.etc like they do now. Unless of course youre suggesting the tax payer pays for these legal drugs??

Nowhere in that article does it say crime has dropped loads, although logic says if youre not arresting people for posession and dealing then drug arrests are bound to go down. It still doesnt tackle the crimes commited in order to supplement their drug use.

Also, do we really want less overdoses? Let the fvckers kill themselves. In fact id make it 5 strikes and your out. 5 crimes as a result of drug use and then send them to the electric chair. Junkies are a menace to society and a drain on the tax payer.

Just like the Americans put the Indians on reservations

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Also, do we really want less overdoses? Let the fvckers kill themselves. In fact id make it 5 strikes and your out. 5 crimes as a result of drug use and then send them to the electric chair. Junkies are a menace to society and a drain on the tax payer.

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Pretty sure you’ve admitted to taking drugs in the past - apologies if I’m wrong.

Technically drug taking is a crime in itself so if you’ve done it more than four times you should be in that chair yourself?

That means most of us will be getting fried.

Any requests for your last meal?

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Pretty sure you’ve admitted to taking drugs in the past - apologies if I’m wrong.

Technically drug taking is a crime in itself so if you’ve done it more than four times you should be in that chair yourself?

That means most of us will be getting fried.

Any requests for your last meal?

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Chinese set meal for 4.

I wasnt very clear. Commiting crimes to pay for their drugs. 5 burglaries / robberies / muggings.etc. then see you in the next life. Ciao. Fry.

The lad that had his car burned out used to get me work on the rails.
From what I remember he was never a crackhead back then.
Actually a very nice lad, but for some the buzz is never enough so they have to get better drugs and go for the bigger buzz.

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Yes it might make it a bit safer but where the fcuk are these people going to find £5,6,700 a week without there being criminal activity? Theyve still got to feed their habit, legal or not. They will still have to beg and steal, whore themselves out.etc like they do now. Unless of course youre suggesting the tax payer pays for these legal drugs??

Nowhere in that article does it say crime has dropped loads, although logic says if youre not arresting people for posession and dealing then drug arrests are bound to go down. It still doesnt tackle the crimes commited in order to supplement their drug use.

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The heroin is free if legal, like a prescription. Heroin is cheap really and wouldn't cost a lot for a government to buy and you make massive savings with police, hospitals etc. The war on drugs has been a massive failure.

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The heroin is free if legal, like a prescription. Heroin is cheap really and wouldn't cost a lot for a government to buy and you make massive savings with police, hospitals etc. The war on drugs has been a massive failure.

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Lets just give hundreds of thousands drug users free heroin on the tax payer. Great idea.

Stick to playing stick ball with your so-called friends Richy.

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Lets just give hundreds of thousands drug users free heroin on the tax payer. Great idea.

Stick to playing stick ball with your so-called friends Richy.

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Well, it's happening. Trials have started in Durham and Glasgow. Switzerland have been doing it a while. Best get on to your MP mug.

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Lets just give hundreds of thousands drug users free heroin on the tax payer. Great idea.

Stick to playing stick ball with your so-called friends Richy.

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You are dealing with the drug user any way, whether that be via policing, the health service, housing or recovery. That's all coming from the tax collect anyway.

If you eliminate the dealer, then you can control the product, eliminate the crime from that aspect, and eliminate the need for the user to commit crime to get the money to get the product. You will also eliminate the dealer controlling the price point and steadily increasing it when the subject becomes addicted.

That would then have an improvement to the local community due to a reduction in crimes, and not have drug runners on the streets targeting individuals, and youngsters not looking at drugs as a viable job prospect.

Seems a fair trade off to me, the tax payer pays either way.

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You are dealing with the drug user any way, whether that be via policing, the health service, housing or recovery. That's all coming from the tax collect anyway.

If you eliminate the dealer, then you can control the product, eliminate the crime from that aspect, and eliminate the need for the user to commit crime to get the money to get the product. You will also eliminate the dealer controlling the price point and steadily increasing it when the subject becomes addicted.

That would then have an improvement to the local community due to a reduction in crimes, and not have drug runners on the streets targeting individuals, and youngsters not looking at drugs as a viable job prospect.

Seems a fair trade off to me, the tax payer pays either way.

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And they all lived happily ever after

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Also, do we really want less overdoses? Let the fvckers kill themselves. In fact id make it 5 strikes and your out. 5 crimes as a result of drug use and then send them to the electric chair. Junkies are a menace to society and a drain on the tax payer.

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More over doses means more dispatched Ambulances, more medical treatment, more Police investigations in case of suspect circs
Basically far far far Money.
Haven't really thought this one through have you?

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And they all lived happily ever after

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Of course not, you have issues with alcohol in society. However you can tax it and offset the problems via a monetary intake.

If you are a dealer now, its in your interest to get as many people hooked as possible, then seeing as you control the price you can take advantage of the individual afterwards. You legalise the product you make the dealer redundant, you immediately remove that individual from the streets.

You can then tax the product, control the strength of product, and monitor the individual.

There is always a trade off with regards to treatment, do you deal with the product at its source. Or is it better to deal with the consequences of the product.

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More over doses means more dispatched Ambulances, more medical treatment, more Police investigations in case of suspect circs
Basically far far far Money.
Haven't really thought this one through have you?

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Fatal overdose. Dont bother investigating. Let them rot.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Fatal overdose. Dont bother investigating. Let them rot.

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So if you want to murder people, make it look like an overdose.

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Of course not, you have issues with alcohol in society. However you can tax it and offset the problems via a monetary intake.

If you are a dealer now, its in your interest to get as many people hooked as possible, then seeing as you control the price you can take advantage of the individual afterwards. You legalise the product you make the dealer redundant, you immediately remove that individual from the streets.

You can then tax the product, control the strength of product, and monitor the individual.

There is always a trade off with regards to treatment, do you deal with the product at its source. Or is it better to deal with the consequences of the product.

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Make your mind up. One minute they are getting free heroin, now you want to tax it. Where are they going to get the money from to pay for it?

also, if your messing with the strength then then you wont get rid of the dealers because they will just sell a stronger product. Its what is happening now in the Merthyr at the moment. Too many dealers so they are trying to get the upper hand by selling a stronger, albeit more expensive, product.

Finally, going right to the top of the source do you really think the cartels are going to let the goverments just decide its legal and put them out of business. In the countries these drugs are grown the goverment are controlled by the cartels.

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So if you want to murder people, make it look like an overdose.

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If they are known junkies, of no use to society, then the murderer will be doing us all a favour.

What abour free cocaine and MDMA for the recreational user? Why should our taxes go to buy others drugs and we will still have to buy ours!!!

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Make your mind up. One minute they are getting free heroin, now you want to tax it. Where are they going to get the money from to pay for it?

also, if your messing with the strength then then you wont get rid of the dealers because they will just sell a stronger product. Its what is happening now in the Merthyr at the moment. Too many dealers so they are trying to get the upper hand by selling a stronger, albeit more expensive, product.

Finally, going right to the top of the source do you really think the cartels are going to let the goverments just decide its legal and put them out of business. In the countries these drugs are grown the goverment are controlled by the cartels.

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Wow.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Make your mind up. One minute they are getting free heroin, now you want to tax it. Where are they going to get the money from to pay for it?

also, if your messing with the strength then then you wont get rid of the dealers because they will just sell a stronger product. Its what is happening now in the Merthyr at the moment. Too many dealers so they are trying to get the upper hand by selling a stronger, albeit more expensive, product.

Finally, going right to the top of the source do you really think the cartels are going to let the goverments just decide its legal and put them out of business. In the countries these drugs are grown the goverment are controlled by the cartels.

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You can distribute it at a price similar to alcohol, do people steal alcohol, yeah of course. Do we have dealers on the street pushing alcohol at you and then ramping prices in the future, no of course not.

Dealer could produce a stronger product, it wouldn't eliminate a problem, but offer more control over it. Just like with Alcohol and Cigarettes now there is a black market but the majority buy from stores.

Heroin is an opiate it would be easy enough to manufacture in this country if we decided to make it legal, without having to deal with Cartels.

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You can distribute it at a price similar to alcohol, do people steal alcohol, yeah of course. Do we have dealers on the street pushing alcohol at you and then ramping prices in the future, no of course not.

Dealer could produce a stronger product, it wouldn't eliminate a problem, but offer more control over it. Just like with Alcohol and Cigarettes now there is a black market but the majority buy from stores.

Heroin is an opiate it would be easy enough to manufacture in this country if we decided to make it legal, without having to deal with Cartels.

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Yes I can see it now. A whole aisle in Tesco dedicated to different brands of heroin and crack cocaine. Get real.

You cant just leisurley take heroin and crack cocaine like having 4 cans after work. Once they start they cant stop, and once addicted need it or they become ill. Unless its free they simply couldnt afford it without crime even if you cut out the dealers cut.

Id love to know how they are going to syntheticlaly make crack cocaine as well.

Please send the method to J R Hartley, 1 Chocolate house, over the rainbow, Utopia.

Could just send all the junkies to Afghanistan and nuke the place. Hell, while we're there let's steal even more poppy and flood the British and American streets with opium. Oh, but then the gear will be nuclear..actually that might increase the potency! Win-win

Loves a theory me

My God, are you implying that the primary reason the Yanks have been in Afghanistan for 16 years is to not only maintain but massively increase heroin production so as to flood the streets of Western societies to fracture them further? Good grief, I do declare as an encore you'll suggest the very same interests created, funded and armed Al Qaeda and Isis to steal our liberties in order to protect ourselves. If you carry on in that vein you'll alarm all those who desperately cling to the belief that blokes with Stanley knives hijacked planes and flew them in to two New York buildings is such a way that they fell as if demolished by Fred Dibnah, and that another nearby, which wasn't hit by anything, collapsed in similar fashion out of sympathy.

Young man, you need to spend far less time thinking for yourself. Start tuning in to CNN, embroil yourself in celebrity culture - the more puerile the better, buy the most expensive mobile phone you can't afford and play about with it for hours on end every day.

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My God, are you implying that the primary reason the Yanks have been in Afghanistan for 16 years is to not only maintain but massively increase heroin production so as to flood the streets of Western societies to fracture them further? Good grief, I do declare as an encore you'll suggest the very same interests created, funded and armed Al Qaeda and Isis to steal our liberties in order to protect ourselves. If you carry on in that vein you'll alarm all those who desperately cling to the belief that blokes with Stanley knives hijacked planes and flew them in to two New York buildings is such a way that they fell as if demolished by Fred Dibnah, and that another nearby, which wasn't hit by anything, collapsed in similar fashion out of sympathy.

Young man, you need to spend far less time thinking for yourself. Start tuning in to CNN, embroil yourself in celebrity culture - the more puerile the better, buy the most expensive mobile phone you can't afford and play about with it for hours on end every day.

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Christ. You sound fun.

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Yes I can see it now. A whole aisle in Tesco dedicated to different brands of heroin and crack cocaine. Get real.

You cant just leisurley take heroin and crack cocaine like having 4 cans after work. Once they start they cant stop, and once addicted need it or they become ill. Unless its free they simply couldnt afford it without crime even if you cut out the dealers cut.

Id love to know how they are going to syntheticlaly make crack cocaine as well.

Please send the method to J R Hartley, 1 Chocolate house, over the rainbow, Utopia.

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That Morty and his family on episode 2 looked very familiar do you know them

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That Morty and his family on episode 2 looked very familiar do you know them

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No. Wrong uns though. The most dislikeable twat on both episodes I thought.

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On the subject of drugs, troedyrhiw...

There is that street coming merthyr vale way, where there are blatantly a shed load of drug addicts. They're walking around in their PJ's at about 5 in the afternoon. You cant tell by their faces they're struggling with their vices.

How could so many end up in that few row of terraces?.

As police regularly are parked on the pavement there. Its almost as if it is arranged, as if they've been put there on purpose.

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Cardiff Road/Wyndham Street. A high concentration of poor housing owned by a number of absent landlords who additionally don't do any homework on their tenants and not really bothered about any issues they cause.

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And you think legalising heroin and crack will solve this problem? Mega LOLZ.

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Yeah, I'd legalise every drug that's currently illegal and make them available to any adult who wish to purchase them at registered outlets where the strength/purity would be guaranteed. Factor in the cost of production and admin costs but attach no tax so as to eliminate unauthorised suppliers by denying them a profit margin. I would imagine the state could easily grow or acquire any substance that's currently sold to sell them far below current levels on the streets.

Would it result in a huge increase in addicts and with it sow an increase in associated crime? Evidence from more liberal regimes elsewhere in the world strongly suggest a resounding no to that question.

I've never been in to drugs but have known plenty who have and none are/were hopeless addicts. I believe the initial attraction for all of them was a combination of peer pressure (wanting to fit in) and the naughtiness element.

These drugs are massively popular and keeping them illegal is tying up huge resources and underpin most crime gangs for which it is their stock-in-trade. We've all seen films and documentaries about alcohol prohibition in the US and wonder how could they be so stupid to ban it when it spawned a culture of gangsterism.

As an aside, I'd also legalise and make easily available every poison there is including arsenic, strychnine, etc, because I believe people should be free to choose what they snort, swallow, smoke and inject without the threat government censure.

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Socialism , one day all will see the light , we can't go on living this rat race to the bottom

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Human nature will always prevent Socialism.
If all the wealth in the UK was shared equally between all its residents, how long would it take for the 1st person to want more than his neighbour?