Why are attendances so poor?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

How many go up until mid 20s then stop?
I went regularly until I was 22 but then a kid and working weekends meant not going. Then I'd have to have my daughter in weekends..onky this season she's agreed to come, so back we are..but still haven't managed all the games I'd like..aint cheap all factored in to do it on a whim.
Be a challenge to get her down there in pissing rain too.
How many stop for genuine reasons and never go back? I know loads. The same ones that turn up for big games if they can (God knows why some have the knives out in relation to things like this as everyone has their own situation)

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Good point.

I started going with my dad until our lunatics made him stop taking me because he was afraid I'd get hit by a coin, or a seat.

Started going with my mates in my teens, then had a barren few years when I was at uni in the south east. Another few barren years after I got married and had a family.

Everyone's got a different story, different responsibilities and different priorities

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Originally Posted by TH63

Good point.

I started going with my dad until our lunatics made him stop taking me because he was afraid I'd get hit by a coin, or a seat.

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Not if you use the Zebra Crossing mate.

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Originally Posted by Steve R

Leeds match - Cheap tickets - Large crowd

Other games - More expensive tickets - Small crowd

Q. Why are attendances so poor?
A. Tickets are too expensive.

Hope this helps.

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We are amongst the cheapest in the league if you buy in advance

It costs me £18 in the canton stand if I buy before match day

Now I appreciate for those with families it's more expensive but south Wales has a large population and there is surely enough football fans able to afford that ?

The truth is firstly there are many who use any excuse not to go and secondly south Wales is full of people who think they are football fans by watching man united , Liverpool , Chelsea etc on the pub sky TV

They are happy to spend twenty quid on beer

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Originally Posted by TH63

Good point.

I started going with my dad until our lunatics made him stop taking me because he was afraid I'd get hit by a coin, or a seat.

Started going with my mates in my teens, then had a barren few years when I was at uni in the south east. Another few barren years after I got married and had a family.

Everyone's got a different story, different responsibilities and different priorities

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I was in a rush writing that, but glad you got the gist.

People can moan about what they like, but I just don't get it.

There are many reasons, although reading here some days it's as if you need a doctor's note handed in to the headmaster to have a day off.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

We are amongst the cheapest in the league if you buy in advance

It costs me £18 in the canton stand if I buy before match day

Now I appreciate for those with families it's more expensive but south Wales has a large population and there is surely enough football fans able to afford that ?

The truth is firstly there are many who use any excuse not to go and secondly south Wales is full of people who think they are football fans by watching man united , Liverpool , Chelsea etc on the pub sky TV

They are happy to spend twenty quid on beer

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In a league with ever dwindling attendances. A brand new BMW is cheaper than a Porsche but I'd wager neither of us will be going out soon to buy one.

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Originally Posted by TH63

Good point.

I started going with my dad until our lunatics made him stop taking me because he was afraid I'd get hit by a coin, or a seat.

Started going with my mates in my teens, then had a barren few years when I was at uni in the south east. Another few barren years after I got married and had a family.

Everyone's got a different story, different responsibilities and different priorities

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As have every football clubs fans in the rest of the country

Yet we are the ones getting crap home gates , at the top of the league

Are we a special case ?

Of course we are not , our support is fickle historically and this season even a successful team is failing to get the crowds in

That's very worrying

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Originally Posted by Steve R

In a league with ever dwindling attendances. A brand new BMW is cheaper than a Porsche but I'd wager neither of us will be going out soon to buy one.

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Why would you when you can have a brand spanking new Ford Focus?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

I was in a rush writing that, but glad you got the gist.

People can moan about what they like, but I just don't get it.

There are many reasons, although reading here some days it's as if you need a doctor's note handed in to the headmaster to have a day off.

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Not at all , but the excuses some people have for failing to get behind the club when needed are wearing thin

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Originally Posted by The Bob Banker Spanker

Why would you when you can have a brand spanking new Ford Focus?

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I think he cleaned it recently too

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

As have every football clubs fans in the rest of the country

Yet we are the ones getting crap home gates , at the top of the league

Are we a special case ?

Of course we are not , our support is fickle historically and this season even a successful team is failing to get the crowds in

That's very worrying

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The Jacks had an average attendance of 15,500 when they went up a few years back. Perhaps it’s a Welsh thing.

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Originally Posted by Steve R

In a league with ever dwindling attendances. A brand new BMW is cheaper than a Porsche but I'd wager neither of us will be going out soon to buy one.

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Maybe so but if I was to tell you that a Cardiff city team that had a storming start to the season and is in with a real chance of promotion was recently playing to crowds of 15 and 16 thousand you would think I was off my cake

But it's a fact

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Originally Posted by The Bob Banker Spanker

The Jacks had an average attendance of 15,500 when they went up a few years back. Perhaps it’s a Welsh thing.

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Perhaps you are right , although considering Swansea doesn't have the population we have , I would suggest their support is more loyal than ours

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Not at all , but the excuses some people have for failing to get behind the club when needed are wearing thin

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Well my point entirely is that nobody should need an excuse.

I have a mate that did all United's games home and away for a few years including Europe, how many of our fans manage to do 5 away games, 10 away games? Every game is an away game effectively for them.
Priorities mean he does home games now and as many away as possible.
I'd love to be able to commit to that level of following a club.
It's been said, we are fickle, I'll own up to not being in a rush to go if we're not doing so Well, under Russel slade you'd have to drag me kicking and screaming. When I had a spare weekend and we were shit, is it any surprise I didn't bend my daughter's arm to go? I don't know why anyone needs am excuse, however thin they may be getting.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Maybe so but if I was to tell you that a Cardiff city team that had a storming start to the season and is in with a real chance of promotion was recently playing to crowds of 15 and 16 thousand you would think I was off my cake

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Far from it. I remember the massive surge in attendances from 3k to 7k, 8k back in the day. 15k - 20k is about right for where we are. Another couple of thousand would be nice, don't get me wrong but we'll pick it up in the 2nd half of the season I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Well my point entirely is that nobody should need an excuse.

I have a mate that did all United's games home and away for a few years including Europe, how many of our fans manage to do 5 away games, 10 away games? Every game is an away game effectively for them.
Priorities mean he does home games now and as many away as possible.
I'd love to be able to commit to that level of following a club.
It's been said, we are fickle, I'll own up to not being in a rush to go if we're not doing so Well, under Russel slade you'd have to drag me kicking and screaming. When I had a spare weekend and we were shit, is it any surprise I didn't bend my daughter's arm to go? I don't know why anyone needs am excuse, however thin they may be getting.

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Well whatever ones excuse and wether you feel one isn't needed , our support at home is poor , the fans know it , the players know it , the manager knows it , the club knows it and our owner will know it

And being as outside the greedy league , money through the gate is vital , then the problem is something that is very worrying , whatever people want to say

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well whatever ones excuse and wether you feel one isn't needed , our support at home is poor , the fans know it , the players know it , the manager knows it , the club knows it and our owner will know it

And being as outside the greedy league , money through the gate is vital , then the problem is something that is very worrying , whatever people want to say

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I don't think any of us are in denial (from what I've read) about our support. I actually think the numbers could be 1 or 2 k more but honestly not much more. I agree the players deserve more, they really do.
I also know if we go up we will find the extra fans too.

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Originally Posted by Steve R

Far from it. I remember the massive surge in attendances from 3k to 7k, 8k back in the day. 15k - 20k is about right for where we are. Another couple of thousand would be nice, don't get me wrong but we'll pick it up in the 2nd half of the season I'm sure.

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I am sure you are right. After the crap quality of football served up in the past few years, not everyone is convinced that we have properly turned the corner on the pitch.

It must be born in mind that after the good football of the Jones era, Malky stepped in and we had a couple of great seasons until we were promoted.

Unfortunately, until NW arrived, it was then downhill football and excitement-wise. Russell Slade, the transfer embargo, the reality that we were cash-strapped didn't help at all.

Carry on as we are and the second half of the season, I am sure will see gates average more than 20,000.

Its great that the vast majority of replies and have tried to come up with sensible conclusions. On the micro level there is no doubt if you had £5 offers every game you would see an improvement, but 27k for Brentford? I very much doubt it.
I think we have established that Cardiff is not a football hotbed and our fans are fickle but why? What impact does rugby have, even if people only turn up in numbers for internationals? Is there a cultural thing at play? Just asking.

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Originally Posted by jeremy corbyn

Its great that the vast majority of replies and have tried to come up with sensible conclusions. On the micro level there is no doubt if you had £5 offers every game you would see an improvement, but 27k for Brentford? I very much doubt it.
I think we have established that Cardiff is not a football hotbed and our fans are fickle but why? What impact does rugby have, even if people only turn up in numbers for internationals? Is there a cultural thing at play? Just asking.

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I wasn't recommending £5 offers every game by the way. That would just be silly.

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Originally Posted by TDA

I am sure you are right. After the crap quality of football served up in the past few years, not everyone is convinced that we have properly turned the corner on the pitch.

It must be born in mind that after the good football of the Jones era, Malky stepped in and we had a couple of great seasons until we were promoted.

Unfortunately, until NW arrived, it was then downhill football and excitement-wise. Russell Slade, the transfer embargo, the reality that we were cash-strapped didn't help at all.

Carry on as we are and the second half of the season, I am sure will see gates average more than 20,000.

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His first season was football to make your eyes bleed. Worst I have ever witnessed. Some of the games in the premeir league were ok.

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Originally Posted by The Bob Banker Spanker

Our next Saturday 3pm home game is January 13th.
That’ll almost be 2 months after last Saturdays game against Brentford.

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The gradual demise of the Saturday 3pm KO was the reason I gave up my season ticket last year. I wonder how many others did the same? Does anyone know how many ST's were sold this season compared to last's?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

His first season was football to make your eyes bleed. Worst I have ever witnessed. Some of the games in the premeir league were ok.

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Point taken. What I meant was that there was an anticipation that we were still heading in the right direction and a force in the Championship. Everything that happened after the PL was backsliding.

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Originally Posted by Steve R

I wasn't recommending £5 offers every game by the way. That would just be silly.

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I realise that Steve, just making the point its not all about price, although it is a factor.

People in Cardiff who say they support Cardiff and never go to games really should be ashamed.

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Originally Posted by James fox

People in Cardiff who say they support Cardiff and never go to games really should be ashamed.

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Originally Posted by James fox

People in Cardiff who say they support Cardiff and never go to games really should be ashamed.

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I always wondered that, i have worked with blokes who call themselves " city through and through ", always have a opinion on " the city " yet never used to set foot in Ninian park :shrug:or now CCS :shrug:, I know i do not get to every game like i used to, but family stuff often gets in the way, We have all met people who live all over the country and get to games, yet these " city fans " who live in and around cardiff just cannot be arsed :shrug: