Emre racially abusing Didier Zokora and getting what was coming to him.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

What if a woman racially abuses him? I assume she would be fair game for a good kicking too?

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Maybe just a withering look. 😊

Rather than all this nonsense can’t we just go back to calling Sludge a top rotter and everyone else like wise? Why do we always bring this shit up on ourselves?

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Originally Posted by The Bob Banker Spanker

Rather than all this nonsense can’t we just go back to calling Sludge a top rotter and everyone else like wise? Why do we always bring this shit up on ourselves?

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Oh I don't know, I found the 673rd version of this debate one of the more enthralling ones we've had on here.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

What if a woman racially abuses him? I assume she would be fair game for a good kicking too?

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:hehe: She would "get what was coming to her" because as we know from this thread there's no excuse for racist name calling.

The cognitive dissonance is strong in this thread. It's full of people who inexplicably consider themselves 'right on' whilst trying to justify unnecessary violence. Whole world is like it now.

Here's another way of looking at it. Say your kid is being bullied at school. The teachers aren't doing much to stop it but your kid's friends get some revenge during the breaktime kick-about with some deliberate kicks.

Which parent is not going to be pleased at some level that the kid "got what was coming to him"?

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Originally Posted by lardy

Here's another way of looking at it. Say your kid is being bullied at school. The teachers aren't doing much to stop it but your kid's friends get some revenge during the breaktime kick-about with some deliberate kicks.

Which parent is not going to be pleased at some level that the kid "got what was coming to him"?

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The very fact you've had to scale it down to the level of a children's playground in order to justify it sort of tells its own story.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

The very fact you've had to scale it down to the level of a children's playground in order to justify it sort of tells its own story.

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Ok, say it's your nephew in the same situation at uni then. The point is it's easy to say oh its just words until it happens to someone that means something to you.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

What a pisstake. If someone calls you names you don't get to physically assault them over and over ffs. What sort of idiotic shit are we teaching people here?

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Not sure if serious.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

The very fact you've had to scale it down to the level of a children's playground in order to justify it sort of tells its own story.

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There is a sense of injustice - the player racially abused Zokora in front of the ref. The cameras picked up on the fact, and the Turkish Football Federation banned Emre for 3 games. Under the TFF rules, a player should expect a ban of 4 to 8 games.

Does that justify the retaliation? No, however it does highlight the degree of camaraderie that exists in team sports - I have seen similar retribution dished out at rugby matches.

It's hardly like the players were going around kicking Emre for no reason, there was a football that they were trying (unsuccessfully) to get possession of :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The historical context is lost on ccmb don't waste your breath.

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It's only lost on the stupid. I thought they had their own forum now :hehe:

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Originally Posted by TH63

Again with the physical assault faux outrage.
It was a football match, he got a yellow card ffs
It happened five years ago.

Methinks you’re a little bit bored and lloking for an argument for the sake of it tbh

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Exactly this. Remember, this is the poster who said that the petty in-fighting is what makes this board great. Meanwhile, on his board he talks about how the atmosphere there is more pleasant than the atmosphere on here. This is starting to look manufactured to me.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

:hehe: She would "get what was coming to her" because as we know from this thread there's no excuse for racist name calling.

The cognitive dissonance is strong in this thread. It's full of people who inexplicably consider themselves 'right on' whilst trying to justify unnecessary violence. Whole world is like it now.

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There isn't an excuse though, you can lose your temper and give someone a little punch even if it's wrong, you can lose your temper and call someone a fat **** even if it's wrong. But if you lose your temper and call someone a n*gger why would you even be thinking that unless you're a racist?

I agree with you that violence isn't justified and I think they were definitely at the limit with those kicks. But there was a sense of injustice and righty or wrongly they wanted a bit of retribution.

I think anything beyond that would have been a bit much but they weren't trying to seriously injure him.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's difficult as you are behaving like a child

Now go to bed and watch out for the monsters in the cupboard

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

There isn't an excuse though, you can lose your temper and give someone a little punch even if it's wrong, you can lose your temper and call someone a fat **** even if it's wrong. But if you lose your temper and call someone a n*gger why would you even be thinking that unless you're a racist?

I agree with you that violence isn't justified and I think they were definitely at the limit with those kicks. But there was a sense of injustice and righty or wrongly they wanted a bit of retribution.

I think anything beyond that would have been a bit much but they weren't trying to seriously injure him.

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This is kinda my point, maybe it’s because I went to St.Illtyd’s in the 70’s, but to me, those tackles, whilst robust, don’t constitute physical assault or battery.
Hiding in the car park and beating the shit out of him would’ve been.
Even the kick in the bollocks was deemed a yellow by the ref.

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Originally Posted by TH63

This is kinda my point, maybe it’s because I went to St.Illtyd’s in the 70’s, but to me, those tackles, whilst robust, don’t constitute physical assault or battery.
Hiding in the car park and beating the shit out of him would’ve been.
Even the kick in the bollocks was deemed a yellow by the ref.

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Then you need to look up the definition of assault and battery because that's exactly what was in the video.

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New I'm halfway through this book @Nugent and whilst I'm enjoying it, I just know I wouldn't be able to spend 5 minutes in the company of Simon Jordan without wanting to take a swing at him.

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Here's a quick quiz, who said this quote?

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Originally Posted by lardy

Ok, say it's your nephew in the same situation at uni then. The point is it's easy to say oh its just words until it happens to someone that means something to you.

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Yeah, it's the old "what if a member of your family was murdered" trope that gets brought out in every discussion about capital punishment.

Of course the people closest to it want stronger justice, that doesn't mean that dishing out a kicking in exchange for name calling is lawful or even morally right.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Here's a quick quiz, who said this quote?

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FACK ME! you've started digging through my posts on another board to justify violence against someone for name calling :hehe:

What lengths will you go to in order to not actually look at the perfectly reasonable points I've made in this thread?

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Then you need to look up the definition of assault and battery because that's exactly what was in the video.

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How come the ref didn’t send anyone off?

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Originally Posted by TH63

How come the ref didn’t send anyone off?

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I don't know, you'll have to ask him.

Please do continue advocating violence in exchange for name calling though.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

FACK ME! you've started digging through my posts on another board to justify violence against someone for name calling :hehe:

What lengths will you go to in order to not actually look at the perfectly reasonable points I've made in this thread?

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Tbf I was just reading the board and thought it was funny.

I've sort of been agreeing with you with regards to the violence. My only disagreement is that you think racial abuse is just words when I think it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Tbf I was just reading the board and thought it was funny.

I've sort of been agreeing with you with regards to the violence. My only disagreement is that you think racial abuse is just words when I think it isn't.

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Fair enough. Agree to disagree then, you bloody honky :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I don't know, you'll have to ask him.

Please do continue advocating violence in exchange for name calling though.

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I’m not advocating violence.

I’m saying that, imho, such tackles are not uncommon in football and, again imho, do not constitute assault (or battery).

The ref saw the incidents and felt that, imho the worst one, was only a yellow.

I also don’t think you can pass off racist abuse as “name calling” but clearly we’re not going to agree and I’ve got work to do.

So I’ll leave it there.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I don't know, you'll have to ask him.

Please do continue advocating violence in exchange for name calling though.

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See calling it name calling is where the disconnect is, it's not the equivalent of calling someone fat or stupid.

It wasn't years ago that slavery stopped, only 30 years since bananas were thrown at black players, pubs in the 70s had the no blacks and no Irish signs still up. It's more than name calling it's 100s of years of pure hatred being brought up and reinforcing that view.

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Originally Posted by TH63

I’m not advocating violence.

I’m saying that, imho, such tackles are not uncommon in football and, again imho, do not constitute assault (or battery).

The ref saw the incidents and felt that, imho the worst one, was only a yellow.

I also don’t think you can pass off racist abuse as “name calling” but clearly we’re not going to agree and I’ve got work to do.

So I’ll leave it there.

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You can look at them as "just tackles" but the video is even called "Emre getting what was coming to him", so christ alone knows what you're missing that everyone else can see plain as day.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Fair enough. Agree to disagree then, you bloody honky :thumbup:

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Id définitely want to punch Simon Jordan as well if I spent any time in his company I'm sure :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

See calling it name calling is where the disconnect is, it's not the equivalent of calling someone fat or stupid.

It wasn't years ago that slavery stopped, only 30 years since bananas were thrown at black players, pubs in the 70s had the no blacks and no Irish signs still up. It's more than name calling it's 100s of years of pure hatred being brought up and reinforcing that view.

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Just give up he's a ****ing idiot just getting a kick out of winding people up always been the same

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

You can look at them as "just tackles" but the video is even called "Emre getting what was coming to him", so christ alone knows what you're missing that everyone else can see plain as day.

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Tbf it was a shove and a couple of little kicks, the kick in the bollocks was maybe too far but I imagine having to have someone racially abuse you and then see them get a leaner punishment and have that building up for months would get to you. Especially when he has history of it.

I slept with someone's girlfriend once without knowing she had a boyfriend then played a match against him and he kept giving me little kicks, I definitely deserved it. But then I was walking home one night and he hit me in the back of the head with a brick I thought that was too far :hehe: im of the same opinion of this.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

See calling it name calling is where the disconnect is, it's not the equivalent of calling someone fat or stupid.

It wasn't years ago that slavery stopped, only 30 years since bananas were thrown at black players, pubs in the 70s had the no blacks and no Irish signs still up. It's more than name calling it's 100s of years of pure hatred being brought up and reinforcing that view.

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I'm not daft, I know what the word means and that it has a weight behind it, you guys are always keen to explain this as if it's news to anyone.

My point is that a person doesn't get to kick or otherwise physically hurt someone who has called them a name.

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

Just give up he's a ****ing idiot just getting a kick out of winding people up always been the same

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Another person who is amazed to discover people with different opinions to himself.

It's a good job calling someone a "f***ing idiot" isn't considered to be as bad as racist abuse or by your own standards I'd be well within my rights to come to your house and kick you in the bollocks.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Id définitely want to punch Simon Jordan as well if I spent any time in his company I'm sure :hehe:

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Anyone in their right mind would. He's football's Piers Morgan.

No they don't hence the bookings and why you'd be arrested for hitting someone in the street. But I imagine the punishment would be less than if you'd done it for something else because there is an element of "they had it coming" after saying something like that.

*This was a reply to the post 3 posts ago, there were some rapid responses in between :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Another person who is amazed to discover people with different opinions to himself.

It's a good job calling someone a "f***ing idiot" isn't considered to be as bad as racist abuse or by your own standards I'd be well within my rights to come to your house and kick you in the bollocks.

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How the **** can you compare racial abuse to just name calling you buffoon

What a ****ing idiot.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Some cider swiller from Bristol calling me a taffy is not comparable to racist abuse of black people Mr grinder

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No need for homophobic abuse.

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

How the **** can you compare racial abuse to just name calling you buffoon

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I would answer you but judging by what you've written so far in you don't seem like you'd be too receptive to a differing opinion.

Perhaps call me some more names, that'll make you feel better. Oh and don't worry, I'm white, I don't have feelings. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

So is it OK for black people to repeatedly physically assault anyone that calls them a name then? Most of the brainwashed on Twitter seem to think so.

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He had one kick in the bollocks.

I get racism works all ways, but your being a bit silly here all for the sake of arguing for the other side..

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Unreal the hoops you people will go through to justify assault.

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Ah. Penny dropped..Your one of them wind up merchants. Come here to cause trouble then post about football on your shiny new site. Ah ok.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

He had one kick in the bollocks.

I get racism works all ways, but your being a bit silly here all for the sake of arguing for the other side..

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One kick in the bollocks from a professional ball kicker. I'm sure you'd be fine with it if it happened to you wouldn't you mate?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Ah. Penny dropped..Your one of them wind up merchants. Come here to cause trouble then post about football on your shiny new site. Ah ok.

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Oh do piss off. You're not the first person in this thread to see a different opinion to yours and decide it's just "a wind up merchant".

It bothers me that there are so many people who think that "just a kick in the bollocks" is in ANY WAY an appropriate response to name calling. Thank Christ the law agrees with me on this rather than you lot.