The Lee Johnson

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Again you quote one post and ignore one with points raised in...

Clearly can't debate, WUM.

So again...

QUOTE=dembethewarrior;4847802]https://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/spor...after-14321866

And your very own local rag

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/...fulham-1247917

"Like a game of rugby"

Not the game Shorty claimed it was when he says he plays better against "other footballing sides"


He's taking you down next season.

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

Johnson is hanging his players out to dry desperately trying to hold on to his job.
His players, fans and the media (those worth their salt) will only put up with these excuses for so long.

Pathetic really as he has talked you up all season when in reality you were massively over-achieving.

The man is floundering and will reap what he sows.

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Absolutely spot on dear friend and I wholeheartedly agree. I suspect we are now into a ticking time bomb situation, given that we are approaching the business end of the season. Slowly, he is being backed into a corner. Both points and time are running out and he is under pressure to retain that top six position with teams nipping away at his heels. What does he now do? His next move will show his ability, either his inferiority or superiority, as a coach.

In this situation Johnson has only two options on how to respond. There is no third way. Option one is straight out of a managerial masterclass toolbox, and will work if he is genuinely a good coach. But if you're not a good coach then even option one will fail anyway. I will not say what that option is on here. If he is any decent coach he will know what it is.

Option two is to start throwing muck at your own players in order to preserve your image. You lose one player's support. Then you lose player two's support. Then three. If the team's performances improves he may get away with it. Given my estimation as to who he is and where he is as a coach, I suspect his team performances will not improve that much. Those players now start talking to each other. Either over each other's houses, or by text. Discontent slowly brews away from his clear sight, and he will not carry the team. That is when, unless he is backed with a lot of cash to replace those failing players, or he has a massive quality squad (he has neither) so that he can drop them at little cost of performance, his team and club begin to suffer.

It looks like Johnson is choosing option two. Good luck with that, LJ. Tick tock, tick tock.....

He will take them down next season if they don't sack him by October.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Hello Jurrset. I've made some valid points about you playing the most long balls in the division (which is a fact), the fact Jokanovic called you a rugby team, as well as the fact you made the game on Saturday a foul-fiesta, as well as your initial kick off was a hoof straight down field. You played 4 centre halves (the left back was especially dreadful by the way) and two lumps (who couldn't trap a bag of cement). Please discuss.

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He's not going to reply, is he? Jursset deliberately ignores posts that he can't argue against. Spineless.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

He's not going to reply, is he? Jursset deliberately ignores posts that he can't argue against. Spineless.

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Every time he does this.He talks about intelligence but that is to massage his own ego.He has an inflated sense of his own ability and knowledge and absolutely no integrity.

He does live across the road from someone with a big house though.

Why anyone would bother debating with Jursset is beyond me. Not only is he biased as possible he’s also one of the genuinely thickest people we’ve had on here.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

He's not going to reply, is he? Jursset deliberately ignores posts that he can't argue against. Spineless.

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Ignores posts and blocks you on twitter if you point out the facts.

13 points, mind the gap you ****.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Why anyone would bother debating with Jursset is beyond me. Not only is he biased as possible he’s also one of the genuinely thickest people we’ve had on here.

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Because I want to.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

If you read my prior point I agree we made errors in selection and formation.
I would have played Reid up top partnered by Diedhiou.
Diony wouldn’t have started.
I would have played Ryan Kent on the wing with Paterson behind the front 2.
That didn’t happen because we tried to out muscle a side that play cynical base level football every week.
It was a stupid thing to do.
We almost got a point but I’d hold the same view if we did.

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Diedhiou has the worst touch of any footballer I've ever seen - and that's something coming from a fan who's seen the likes of Andy Kerr, Jeff Chandler, Paul McLoughlin, Jermaine Darlington etc...

He is feckin garbage.

Best 'footballer' by streets on that pitch was a Cardiff one - Junior Hoillet

They've won 1 in 13. Whatever their style of play is, I don't want it.

They were crap on Sunday. We all saw it with our own eyes and post after squirming post of 'yeh but, no but' by Jursset won't change that.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Because I want to.

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Like playing chess against a Labrador, a waste of everyone’s time.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Ignores posts and blocks you on twitter if you point out the facts.

13 points, mind the gap you ****.

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I don’t block people.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

On this I’m not being a WUM.
It’s an opinion I hold. Agree with it or not, but it’s certainly supported by some areas.

It’s not just me saying it and it’s not just us.
I’ll pick your last 2 games then to show I’m not deliberately picking out games.
Ipswich away - the Sky commentator stated at half time it was “one of the worst games he’d ever seen and a lot would be hoping the half time whistle was the full one”

Middlesbrough at home - the very start of the BBC report. “You can imagine before it starts a match between two sides managed by Neil Warnock and Tony Pulis wouldn’t be one for the purist and it didn’t disappoint”

Now that’s not me. That’s not Bristol City related. So tell me how it’s not an unfair comment on your team by me and how they play?
Is it a case of “it’s not us, it’s everybody else”?

Johnson referred to it last night.
He said the team knew how Cardiff play, they knew what they were about. They play a certain way and we either match it or we play how we like to.
Now I personally think he got it wrong. We got dragged into playing like they do. That’s a mistake.
Dropping Bobby Reid behind Diedhiou and Diony was an error. Putting Flint up top for the kicks was an error.

The tactics to battle Cardiff’s “agricultural” style were just wrong.

Now that’s a different argument - but to say it’s just me pointing it out and just me or even people from Bristol saying how you play is also incredibly wide of the mark.

I don’t know why you get so mad about it. It’s out there to see.

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Most of us would not claim that we are playing great football. We were at the start and reaped the benefits. Since then it’s been harder but the points still come.
But for you to suggest that we dragged you down is ridiculous. Your results speak for themselves as does your point tally. If you have been playing great football it hasn’t produced the results, has it.
And if you are that good why didn’t you play your game on Sunday.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Hello Jurrset. I've made some valid points about you playing the most long balls in the division (which is a fact), the fact Jokanovic called you a rugby team, as well as the fact you made the game on Saturday a foul-fiesta, as well as your initial kick off was a hoof straight down field. You played 4 centre halves (the left back was especially dreadful by the way) and two lumps (who couldn't trap a bag of cement). Please discuss.

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I already conceded the point we set up exactly how I didn’t want up front?
Who are the 4 centre backs?

Bailey Wright has played right back all season because of the injury to Pisano.
Magnusson played at LB. He plays there for Iceland. He was there instead of Bryan who we pushed on.
So it wasn’t any different to other games.
That wasn’t related to Cardiff.

The formation issue I had was up front and the dropping of the more finesse players such as Paterson and Kent - with Bobby dropping back.
I think Johnson was spooked by Warnock’s style of play.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

I already conceded the point we set up exactly how I didn’t want up front?
Who are the 4 centre backs?

Bailey Wright has played right back all season because of the injury to Pisano.
Magnusson played at LB. He plays there for Iceland. He was there instead of Bryan who we pushed on.
So it wasn’t any different to other games.
That wasn’t related to Cardiff.

The formation issue I had was up front and the dropping of the more finesse players such as Paterson and Kent - with Bobby dropping back.
I think Johnson was SPOOKED by Warnock’s style of play.

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So "OUR NEIL", won the game, before a ball was kicked.

Spreads GREAT CONFIDENCE does your little dwarf, doesn't he.

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Originally Posted by BLUEAWAY

And if you are that good why didn’t you play your game on Sunday.

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I think that’s the point I’m making. We should have and we didn’t.
Johnson said he’s frustrated because the players didn’t go out and play the style he wants.
I’ll take him at his word on that but I also made the point the way he set the team up didn’t help the message we should play our natural game when you have Kent and Paterson on the bench and Reid dropped back.

That’s exactly the point. We didn’t play the way we should and tried to out-Cardiff Cardiff.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Like playing chess against a Labrador, a waste of everyone’s time.

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Not a waste of my time, would have been bored stiff off work had it not been for him.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

So "OUR NEIL", won the game, before a ball was kicked.

Spreads GREAT CONFIDENCE does your little dwarf, doesn't he.

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Our Neil.
The bloke is an absolute c*** of the highest order and you know it.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

I already conceded the point we set up exactly how I didn’t want up front?
Who are the 4 centre backs?

Bailey Wright has played right back all season because of the injury to Pisano.
Magnusson played at LB. He plays there for Iceland. He was there instead of Bryan who we pushed on.
So it wasn’t any different to other games.
That wasn’t related to Cardiff.

The formation issue I had was up front and the dropping of the more finesse players such as Paterson and Kent - with Bobby dropping back.
I think Johnson was spooked by Warnock’s style of play.

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....and a response to the long ball stats please dear?

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

I think that’s the point I’m making. We should have and we didn’t.
Johnson said he’s frustrated because the players didn’t go out and play the style he wants.
I’ll take him at his word on that but I also made the point the way he set the team up didn’t help the message we should play our NATURAL GAME when you have Kent and Paterson on the bench and Reid dropped back.

That’s exactly the point. We didn’t play the way we should and tried to out-Cardiff Cardiff.

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What's that, one win in 12, or is it 13 now :hehe:

Natural game Now I know you are deluded:hehe:

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

So "OUR NEIL", won the game, before a ball was kicked.

Spreads GREAT CONFIDENCE does your little dwarf, doesn't he.

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Basically.

Listened to him on ifollow

"Cardiff Cardiff Cardiff the right way cardiff cardiff cardiff DNA cardiff"

Was the gist of it.


It's easier to point at Cardiff rather than talk about his, and his team's shortcomings.

He knows idiots like the one that posts here will lap it up as gospel.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

I don’t block people.

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You bloody liar, you blocked me months ago :donkey:

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

Our Neil.
The bloke is an absolute c*** of the highest order and you know it.

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Wonderful use of your Ingurlish language

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Im an absolute c*** of the highest order and you know it.[/QUOTE]

FYP

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

I’m not interested in personal insults.

Insults don’t interest me.

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Someone posted your twitter feed up here once. Doesn't really back up what you say to be honest.

We play long at times, tend not to keep the ball in our half but then play more in the oppositions final third. I'll admit our style of play is not pretty at times.

Now every time I've seen you lot. You tend to play lots of unnecessary passes along the back 4 (good for possession stats, but not much else) and then tend to lump it long the closer you get to goal. Lots of long throws etc relying on the big centre half's you play.

Yesterday was awful to watch, but you were kicking it long every time and you didn't have a shot on goal that I remember. From about ten minutes in it was clear you had no interest in trying to score and were hoping for a smash and grab like Ireland did v Wales.

In this division you have

Fulham and at times Wolves, and Brentford who play a fast passing game.

A few others who play a laboured passing game.. Forest for example Norwich are sort of in between, as are Villa, Barnsley and the Sheffield clubs

Then a lot who have a mix.
Like Derby who work very very hard and mix it up and Leeds who play some nice stuff and some rubbish.

Then loads like Bristol, Preston, Birmingham, Bolton, Ipswich QPR ( at times) ourselves , Boro, Millwall who play a direct physical game


Not sure on Sunderland, Hull and Burton..

It's good. Different styles make the game interesting.

Just makes me laugh how the Worzels delude themselves that they are different.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Let's deal with it as we see it. We aren't a great footballing side, we do play percentages, and put the ball into positions where mistakes are more likely to be made, is it pretty-not really, will there be a positive legacy to the way we play-I doubt it-Does it yield results-Absolutely. In fairness, we have a very good defence, and a couple of decent footballers in Zohore and Hoilett, so it's not all disruption football. Now, over to you and the countless other purists, whether they be pundits or fans. Your teams can't deal with it, you don't have the ability or character (apart from Fulham)to match us and earn the right to beat us, that's your clubs problem. The way people talk, you'd have thought we were assaulting teams into submission, acting in an underhand way, like we possess some kind of special formula, well, we sort of do-Neil Warnock-And he's been doing it for over thirty years at this level, and it works. Football fans seem to have a sense of entitlement these days, students of the game who lap up the reams of bullshit printed and put out on the net, didn't happen 15 years ago, we just got on with it.

All that has happened is that we play in a way which is incredibly committed and to the point, you and most of the rest can't match it, because you lack character and belief, and your players are a bit intimidated. It's down to your manager, staff and players to counter it, we're doing nothing wrong. Take a look at the Character and belief of your own players, magical against the superstars-looking good on TV, but bottle merchants when it comes down to business.

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Excellent post Tuerto and sums it up. To be honest when the other teams try to play football then we also can play some good stuff and mostly end up winning , except against Fulham. We put 7 past Leeds, 3 against Villa and beat Wolves on their own patch, all with excellent footballing performances. Yes, there have been some dire games but you cannot fault the effort and commitment of our squad and we must have 3 or 4 of the best defenders in this league and that is still an art in football.

I think a lot of it is lazy journalism with preconceived idea of Warnock's team. At yesterday's' game at half time I read on my phone the BBC comment that we had dragged Bristol City into a long ball game. Yet anyone witnessing the first
Half and their line up could see that's exactly how they intended to play ( and had also done so against Fulham) and they were dragging us down too ( and I think we were perfectly okay with that!). Bristol City seem to get media praise solely based on their performances against Man City ( which they both lost) because they were high profile and the national press probably haven't seen hardly any of their championship games .

Another typical example is the headline on the match report in today's Daily Mail - Warnock revels in winning ugly.

You see the headline and go , oh yes Cardiff up to it again. The article doesn't refer to the reporters view of the Bristol city performance, just quotes Lee Johnson again saying we dragged them down to their level.

They had the Fulham manager on Talksport lunchtime today and asked him about the automatic promotion race and the threat of Villa and Derby, incredibly we didn't get mentioned again. Which no doubt suits Neil Warnock and his team and motivates them even more.

What perplexed me about his "dragging us down" comments was that both Fulham and Brentford have in 3 games managed to pass the ball against us,
and pass it well.

Why couldn't Bristol just do the same if it's how they play?

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

I don’t block people.

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More lies :shrug:

Mind the gap Charles

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

I think that’s the point I’m making. We should have and we didn’t.
Johnson said he’s frustrated because the players didn’t go out and play the style he wants.
I’ll take him at his word on that but I also made the point the way he set the team up didn’t help the message we should play our natural game when you have Kent and Paterson on the bench and Reid dropped back.

That’s exactly the point. We didn’t play the way we should and tried to out-Cardiff Cardiff.

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The delusion :hehe:

Playing football the “right” way, 1 win in 12 :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Let's deal with it as we see it. We aren't a great footballing side, we do play percentages, and put the ball into positions where mistakes are more likely to be made, is it pretty-not really, will there be a positive legacy to the way we play-I doubt it-Does it yield results-Absolutely. In fairness, we have a very good defence, and a couple of decent footballers in Zohore and Hoilett, so it's not all disruption football. Now, over to you and the countless other purists, whether they be pundits or fans. Your teams can't deal with it, you don't have the ability or character (apart from Fulham)to match us and earn the right to beat us, that's your clubs problem. The way people talk, you'd have thought we were assaulting teams into submission, acting in an underhand way, like we possess some kind of special formula, well, we sort of do-Neil Warnock-And he's been doing it for over thirty years at this level, and it works. Football fans seem to have a sense of entitlement these days, students of the game who lap up the reams of bullshit printed and put out on the net, didn't happen 15 years ago, we just got on with it.

All that has happened is that we play in a way which is incredibly committed and to the point, you and most of the rest can't match it, because you lack character and belief, and your players are a bit intimidated. It's down to your manager, staff and players to counter it, we're doing nothing wrong. Take a look at the Character and belief of your own players, magical against the superstars-looking good on TV, but bottle merchants when it comes down to business.

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Incisive post. Blunt and straight to the point. That is precisely how it is.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

Our Neil.
The bloke is an absolute c*** of the highest order and you know it.

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"Wonderfully articulate. Something tells me you aren’t an Oxbridge man."

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

Our Neil.
The bloke is an absolute c*** of the highest order and you know it.

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"I’m not interested in personal insults."

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Originally Posted by Gnojek

"Wonderfully articulate. Something tells me you aren’t an Oxbridge man."

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He doesn't have time for personal insults you know

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

I already conceded the point we set up exactly how I didn’t want up front?
Who are the 4 centre backs?

Bailey Wright has played right back all season because of the injury to Pisano.
Magnusson played at LB. He plays there for Iceland. He was there instead of Bryan who we pushed on.
So it wasn’t any different to other games.
That wasn’t related to Cardiff.

The formation issue I had was up front and the dropping of the more finesse players such as Paterson and Kent - with Bobby dropping back.
I think Johnson was spooked by Warnock’s style of play.

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I'm saying you're a load of cloggers regardless. Playing 4 centre backs doesn't help. You say Bryan can't defend, so presumably he's not a left back. Why do you make so many direct passes? We'll call them direct so we don't have to worry about calling you a long ball team like our Neil.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

More lies :shrug:

Mind the gap Charles

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Nope. I have 0 accounts blocked as of today.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

Nope. I have 0 accounts blocked as of today.

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To go with the 0 points you got yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity

Nope. I have 0 accounts blocked as of today.

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Mostly because you unblocked them. Awkward.

https://twitter.com/CharlieHicks90/s...60673398296578

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Originally Posted by Dr Lecter

To go with the 0 points you got yesterday.

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Plus the NIL POINTS they got on SUNDAY:hehe: