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“Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country”.
Lucky that's not your job thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I'm not sure what point you were making. Do you think the safety cordon should never end?
This is a good read if you are interested in shadowy Russian characters, the people involved certainly pushed all of your buttons during every twist and turn!Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
The Real Collusion Story.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...dnc-fbi-media/
Yes it’s all Jeremy Corbyn fault. Pathetic!Quote:
Originally Posted by jackrabbit
This is like a Cardiff city transfer story. Everybody is suddenly ITK. Most of the people saying 'it was definitely Russia' have completely contradicted each other when trying to explain why they think that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackrabbit
The classic WB diversion. What point were you making about the safety cordon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Has anybody asked Christopher Steele if he is acquainted with any of these Russians who are coming under attack?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I was concerned about their safety when I saw them standing so close to that large yellow container.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
The dangerous stuff is contained, that's why they call it a, umm, oh I forget, that's right, a container.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Could you point me in the direction of any relevant procedure manuals or are you just making this up?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
No I can't I'm afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It could also be empty. I hope this has all been helpful for you.
Russia expels 23 British diplomats. At least they know how bloody angry we are though.
Could or is?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
"Mike Morell, the former deputy director of the CIA, helps explain the delay. Morell did some digging into Christopher Steele’s dossier and shared the results of his research at a public forum in Washington, D.C., in March 2017. Steele, according to Morell, did not have direct access to the Russians whom he labeled as his “sources” — people who included former officers in the FSB. He “communicated” with them, if that is the right word, through paid intermediaries, who paid the so-called sources."Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Steele did not have direct to his Russian sources and he never went to Russia, so who were these intermediaries? Are they Russian? Did they live in Britain? Are they also spies/ex-spies?
You are obsessed with me Mambo, it's embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mambo
It's just an observation that everyone agreeing on something for completely opposing reasons doesn't inspire me with a great deal of confidence. In the last two days I have read 'Russia used nerve agent because they thought we wouldn't be able to detect it' and 'Russia used nerve agent because they knew we would be able to detect it'.
I don't know either way but everybody seems to want to pretend that they do.
Many people associated with the Steele dossier have been killed. Ive thought for a while that it was a deliberate mis-information to expose leaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Make up a story so scandalous that it simply has to become exposed, sit back and wait for it to come out, then follow the story back to where it was leaked and viciously murder a few people.
Where have I tried to offer any kind of explanation for what happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mambo
The truth here is Mrs May speaks and your tail wags.
Read my post again, very carefully this time, and your question is answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Try testing those critical analysis skills you like to boast about :biggrin:
Don't think anyone has said that ,what is clear, he is at odds with a lot of folk including his own party in terms of out right condemnation , and that has a similar theme with the annexing of Crimea and the atrocities in Syria , however very vocal anything USA / Israel ,its an observation not a criticism .Quote:
Originally Posted by Auntie Andy
Strangely Russia is slightly right wing , Putin supporters in Europe are right-wing , however Putin himself is not fully right-wing.
There was an interview this morning on Radio 4 with Tom Tugendhat MP where he was allowed to make ridiculous claims about Putin without being challenged. He said Putin had hundreds of billions of dollars invested abroad – i.e. he is several times richer than Bezos, Gates,etc. He has used nerve agents in the Russian Federation. He has been murdering "activists and journalists" for 20 years. The interviewer after listening to these absurd claims then said shouldn't we be doing more to get this information to the Russian people. There is no objective journalism at the BBC. It is non-stop propaganda.
Tom Tugendhat was only elected in 2015 and now he is already the Chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee. It is frightening that someone who can make irrational comments like the above is now being seen as a future Conservative leader.
The "Putin is the richest man in the world" story was put about by Bill Browder. The book about him in the following link will tell you all you need to know about the Browder. It also gives a great insight into how so much money was stolen from Russia under Yeltsin.
https://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/...yout_6x9-1.pdf
This is a bit about Alex Krainer, the author of the above book, who is a hedge fund manager. Browder is so powerful that he blocks any article that shows his true colours – he is very dangerous – so these links might disappear soon.
https://thesaker.is/cooperative-auth...-by-the-saker/
This is a very good article by a barrister about Litvinenko.
https://off-guardian.org/2018/03/17/...itish-justice/
Those of us on here who are still have working brains know that the chemical attacks in Syria were false flag operations. I think the people behind the Salisbury incident have screwed up and we will get to the truth. There were no unbiased observers in Syria to check the facts but there are now too many people asking questions about Salisbury for the truth to remain hidden. I think when the truth comes out it will bring down this government.
Think you might be in the minority in these false flags and Russia your going tell us next someone else , annexed Crimea ,and they are not Russia troops and weapons in Syria , and they have never produced this chemical agents and they dont lock up dissidents for protesting its someone else ,Litvinenko was a silly slip up , 14 Russians seemed to have past away due to the weather , the LGBT community have complete freedom ,Pussy Riot never really went to jail , and there is no controls to opposition parties , and no one did go to the moon .Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
We seem to be building to an event that may or may not lead to a huge conflict. Yet another chemical attack on a civilian area in Syria that's pinned on Assad is the likeliest catalyst. Last year the Yanks fired scores of Tomahawk missiles from ships that hit a Syrian airbase in retaliation for a chemical attack, and using the same playbook it may not be the US who attacks first because French president Macron said last month his forces would be deployed to punish Assad following a new outrage. If and when it happens all will depend on whether Syria or Russia finally retaliate to acts of war.
What a mess and it's really difficult to totally understand what's going on in Syria , it's almost like WW3 has broken out as a covert proxy war, in a piece of land no body really cared about .Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
The number of countries operating within the conflict is crazy , I reckon we have USA , Russia , Iran, Turkey, UK , Assads Syria , Iraq , Kurds , Syrian opposition , plus those nasties who hated everyone, who cannot be named ,as they are not a country or a state, although they think they are , must be murder ordering a Dominoes Pizza late at night .
The Russian Ministry of Defence said today they believe a false flag chemical attack in Syria is imminent. It says it'll be used as a pretext for the US to attack Syria again.
US training Syria militants for false flag chemical attack as basis for airstrikes – Russian MoD - https://www.rt.com/news/421589-us-pr...ns-airstrikes/
Get a grip MamboQuote:
Originally Posted by Mambo
Corbyn? I am not sure I have ever praised him, you are the one that brings every topic back to him (while saying how irrelevant he is - irony). Just continue seeing what you want to see, anything else might make your brain explode.
And do you believe the Russian Ministry of Defence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
I'd believe it over May all day long.
It's on record now where they say the attacks are to be staged. Hopefully they'll have to abandon those plans now.
So if it happens they were right and if it doesn't they stopped them happening. That's the kind of Defence Ministry I want !Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
You said the same a few weeks ago. After that you disappeared from the site for a few days. I suppose you retreated to your Cowbridge bunker/torture chamber. This time I think you are right. The Americans will start bombing Assad in the next few weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Craig Murray has made a good point about the phrase “of a type developed by Russia” :
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...ge-3/#comments
That brain dump says more about your mental condition than the events in Salisbury. Have you ever heard of full stops?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Peter Hitchens, who is not exactly a "leftie lovey", says in The Mail today that the attacks on Corbyn are disgraceful and frightening. His article is headed "The 'patriotic' thought police came for Corbyn. You are next".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mambo
Hitchens writes that this intolerance and group thought makes him frightened for his own safety and he points out that Corbyn has a better record on foreign policy than anyone in Parliament.
Most of you are being led by the nose into war by a treacherous elite. Honestly, you are just thick.
Disagree with Hitchens on a lot (religion and its role in society being one major thing) but when he speaks and writes I get the overwhelming sense that he has actually decided his position as opposed to just 'adopting' it. For instance he is a conservative who believes the railways should be nationalised. This doesn't sit well with people who need the political landscape to be simple - left vs right is about as far as we get on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
https://twitter.com/jerryhicksunite/...820600832?s=21Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
:sherlock:
I didn't imagine it. I like to read all the papers when I go to my club and last week I read a letter in The Times from a consultant at Salisbury hospital that said no one had been brought into the hospital with nerve agent poisoning. "Wow", I thought. But there was absolutely no media reaction to the letter. I thought I must have misread it, but the online The Times is behind a paywall and I couldn't check it again. Now on another site someone has quoted the letter and asked the same question - why is this being ignored? This is what the consultant Dr Stephen Davies wrote in a letter to The Times on the 16th :
"... may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning".
Sir, Further to your report (“Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment”, Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None has had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
Stephen Davies
Consultant in emergency medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
March 16 2018, 12:01am, The Times
British retaliation against Russia’s actions
Thanks for that Wales-Bales. I think that letter will be very important in the coming days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ions-p5hmpj8jhQuote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
I think you've misinterpreted what the consultant wrote.
What's below can be read at The Times site: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...ctor-vf9v0zg0m
Russia: Salisbury poison fears allayed by doctor
Fiona Hamilton, Crime & Security Editor | John Simpson | Deborah Haynes
March 16 2018, 12:01am,
The Times
Dozens of patients who went to hospital after the Salisbury poisoning were unaffected by the nerve agent, a doctor has revealed.
As Theresa May visited the Wiltshire city and declared it “open for business”, Stephen Davies, a consultant in emergency medicine at the Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust, said that no one other than Sergei and Yulia Skripal and Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey had needed treatment.
The poisoning had prompted concern about the public’s potential exposure to the novichok nerve agent, as well as complaints about a lack of information from the authorities. Neil Basu, the police head of counterterrorism, said on Tuesday that 35 people, other than the Skripals and Mr Bailey, had been seen by doctors after the attack.
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Want to read more? No I don't. Organ you are just adding to the confusion. Anyway a letter in today's Salisbury Guardian confirms what most people on here already suspected. I can't give you an online link because I don't think they've got the internet in Salisbury yet so I've copied it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Dear Sir
Last Sunday I was coming back from a dogging session in Salisbury Cathedral car park when I noticed a man and a woman being butt raped by a man, who I recognised as Mr Vladimir Putin, President of the Russia Federation. He was bared chested and wearing Cossack boots. After pulling up his trousers Mr Putin took a back of radioactive poison out of his pocket and tipped it all over his victims. He ran off laughing.
I believe I was the only witness to this very disturbing incident.
Yours truly
Boris Johnson