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07-05-18, 12:22
The Lone Gunman

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

You are not seriously comparing the 2 are you? Better to have written nothing at all than to write that - You fall into the stupid box of those that can neither forgive and forget

OK, so you didn't understand what I meant but you chose to call me stupid. Fair enough. You can join Louth in the naughty corner.
07-05-18, 12:23
Garth Blue

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Cozoni Wam

You will always be welcome back down here should you ever change your mind TLG, and that goes for anyone else out there who felt betrayed by the actions of our owner 6 years ago. I hope you can find it within yourself to forgive and forget one day and resume your love affair with the club. Only then would it have come full circle.

Oh please. The reconciliation within the club, is not marked by TLG's or Jirga's wholehearted return to the club. Anybody who was there yesterday will know that. It was so much better than 5 years ago. Rarely have I felt such passionate and united support. Those who missed it probably dont care anymore, or so they tell us. But the can't wait to post on here.... for people with no interest in Cardiff City I find that very strange.
07-05-18, 12:24
The Lone Gunman

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17

A lot of the time I read TLG's posts and can't help but respect his personal stance, but conflating the words, ideals and sentiments of MLK with his attitude towards CCFC and it's owner is just ridiculous on every single level.

Football is just ridiculous on every single level when you stop and think about it.

By the way, I was conflating the MLK quote with Tan himself rather than my attitude towards him.

:thumbup:
07-05-18, 12:28
The Lone Gunman

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Garth Blue

Oh please. The reconciliation within the club, is not marked by TLG's or Jirga's wholehearted return to the club. Anybody who was there yesterday will know that. It was so much better than 5 years ago. Rarely have I felt such passionate and united support. Those who missed it probably dont care anymore, or so they tell us. But the can't wait to post on here.... for people with no interest in Cardiff City I find that very strange.

Not sure if you noticed, but this thread was designed specifically in order to attract the views of people like me, although I don't fall into the category of people with no interest in Cardiff City. I too would find it strange if anybody with no interest in Cardiff City logged onto a Cardiff City message board, but I doubt that's ever happened unless somebody arrived here by accident.
07-05-18, 12:29
Freitag 4.17

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Football is just ridiculous on every single level when you stop and think about it.

By the way, I was conflating the MLK quote with Tan himself rather than my attitude towards him.

:thumbup:

Well, at least we can agree on that.. I rather enjoy the ridiculousness of it.. it's great. :thumbup:
07-05-18, 12:29
StraightOuttaCanton

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Football is just ridiculous on every single level when you stop and think about it.

By the way, I was conflating the MLK quote with Tan himself rather than my attitude towards him.

:thumbup:

Oh well that’s alright then... as long as you are conflating Tan to MLK

That’s so much more acceptable

You’re still in the stupid box that exists for those that can neither forgive or forget though 👍🏻
07-05-18, 12:30
The Lone Gunman

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Louth

Every time something positive happens within the club, you pop up banging the same drum.

The irony here is that I usually get accused of only posting on this board when something negative happens at the club.

I hope you're reading this Auntie Andy and Insider.

:biggrin:
07-05-18, 12:31
chris lee

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

In a nutshell, based on his motivations for the re-brand and his behaviour during that lengthy episode, his public proclamations and also what I know of him from people who have dealt with him directly, there is absolutely nothing I like about Vincent Tan. As regards forgiving him, there is no need for me to do that. It's his club and he can do whatever he likes with it, as he was keen to tell us in 2012/13/14. He stated that he was content to lose supporters like me and he did. It was big deal to me back then but it's no big deal now.

That is fair, I have read lots on here about you and others, nice to read your perspective from the horses mouth, in terms of liking the guy I do not personally like him either, although to be fair I have never had strong personal feeling towards any CEO or chairman of Cardiff or any other organisations.

How they operate is important to me,and I am happy with how things are run at the moment. What is your motivation it continue debating the issue, do you wish to get others to see him how you see him? Is it purely defending yourself and your views? or do you just simply enjoy the process of debating on here?

I ask these out of genuine curiosity, as I find these debates a little toxic and just want to get my head around the purpose of putting yourslef into the middle of it, or even the end goal, what is the optimum outcome for you?
07-05-18, 12:32
The Lone Gunman

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

You’re still in the stupid box that exists for those that can neither forgive or forget though

:hehe:

Sure. Everything must be forgiven and forgotten. If you are unprepared to do either of things, you are definitely stupid. After all, somebody said it once upon a time and it now says so on the internet.
07-05-18, 12:32
Garth Blue

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Not sure if you noticed, but this thread was designed specifically in order to attract the views of people like me, although I don't fall into the category of people with no interest in Cardiff City. I too would find it strange if anybody with no interest in Cardiff City logged onto a Cardiff City message board, but I doubt that's ever happened unless somebody arrived here by accident.

Why do you think its all about you FFS? A poster celebrates the fact that Tan is concilaitory the day after this club goes back into the Premier League. But of course in your head it's all about you.
07-05-18, 12:37
Nick

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As I said in another post it comes to something whereby supporters of other clubs, notably our biggest rivals for promotion - Fulham come on to this message board to congratulate the, team, the club and its supporters only to find a number of supporters of our club continually bitching about the owner of the club. What the hell must they think of the supporters of the club??
07-05-18, 12:39
The Lone Gunman

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by chris lee

What is your motivation it continue debating the issue, do you wish to get others to see him how you see him? Is it purely defending yourself and your views? or do you just simply enjoy the process of debating on here?

I have no interest in getting other people to see Tan how I see him and I don't think that would be possible anyway.

I do like to defend myself and my views, and I think like anybody else I'm more than entitled to them. Indeed, on the subject of Tan and the re-brand, I believe I have more insight than most, having been one of the few people who was involved in several meetings with high-ranking club officials and directors at the outset of the saga. The funny thing is that people frequently criticise me for occasionally posting here, but then some of those very same people mention me when I'm not posting. That amuses me greatly.

Overall, though, I simply enjoy the process of debate. Cardiff City FC was a huge part of my life for almost 40 years and continues to be a subject that interests me. Debating the issues on here is entertaining - at least some of the time.
07-05-18, 12:42
The Lone Gunman

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Garth Blue

Why do you think its all about you FFS? A poster celebrates the fact that Tan is concilaitory the day after this club goes back into the Premier League. But of course in your head it's all about you.

Well, Tim asked a question of the 'Tan haters' and he'd definitely view me as one of those. I know Tim, you see. We've spent plenty of time together over the years. We haven't always seen eye to eye by any means, but he's a good guy and we get on despite our differences. Still, if this thread wasn't directed at people like me but at other 'Tan haters' instead, then I'm sure he'll let us know in due course.

FFS.
07-05-18, 12:45
StraightOuttaCanton

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

In a nutshell, based on his motivations for the re-brand and his behaviour during that lengthy episode, his public proclamations and also what I know of him from people who have dealt with him directly, there is absolutely nothing I like about Vincent Tan. As regards forgiving him, there is no need for me to do that. It's his club and he can do whatever he likes with it, as he was keen to tell us in 2012/13/14. He stated that he was content to lose supporters like me and he did. It was big deal to me back then but it's no big deal now.

Which is it to be.... earlier you said you would 'never forgive and never forget'...?
07-05-18, 12:47
The Lone Gunman

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

Which is it to be.... earlier you said you would 'never forgive and never forget'...?

Uh, both. Obviously. I'll never forgive Tan and I'll never forget what he did, but it makes no odds anyway as there is no need for me to do either. He's the owner of a football club, not a friend or a family member. I'm not even one of his customers.
07-05-18, 12:48
I'll give you the Malky!!

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You know me well enough to make such judgements, huh? OK, well here's a line for you to ponder:

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Get over yourself" A wise person
07-05-18, 12:49
StraightOuttaCanton

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

:hehe:

Sure. Everything must be forgiven and forgotten. If you are unprepared to do either of things, you are definitely stupid. After all, somebody said it once upon a time and it now says so on the internet.

If the cap fits....
07-05-18, 12:51
The Lone Gunman

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by I'll give you the Malky!!

"Get over yourself" A wise person

Boy, do I ever regret posting that quote.

I wasn't relating it to me! I was relating it to.....oh, forget it.

:hehe:
07-05-18, 12:52
The Lone Gunman

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

If the cap fits....

I'm not one for hats of any sort.
07-05-18, 12:54
chris lee

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I have no interest in getting other people to see Tan how I see him and I don't think that would be possible anyway.

I do like to defend myself and my views, and I think like anybody else I'm more than entitled to them. Indeed, on the subject of Tan and the re-brand, I believe I have more insight than most, having been one of the few people who was involved in several meetings with high-ranking club officials and directors at the outset of the saga. The funny thing is that people frequently criticise me for occasionally posting here, but then some of those very same people mention me when I'm not posting. That amuses me greatly.

Overall, though, I simply enjoy the process of debate. Cardiff City FC was a huge part of my life for almost 40 years and continues to be a subject that interests me. Debating the issues on here is entertaining - at least some of the time.

Okay thanks, as you admitted your views are very unique and personal to yourself (as are all of ours), so debating them with no possibility of an agreed outcome just for the purpose of debating seems counter intuitive, and I would not personally get any satisfaction from doing that.

Therefore I am going to make a conscious effort not to post about the topic anymore, as I said I personally find it a little toxic and not enjoyable (would much rather debate politics or football tactics).

In terms of defending yourself I can appreciate that, and agree about certain posters who love to bring you into topics for the sake of presumably winding you up. Perhaps if they took my future stance above and as you admitted only tend to post to defend yourself and respond to people who create topics about you, we could see a heavy decrease in the threads like this in the future, this i think we would both be happy with. :thumbup:
07-05-18, 12:57
StraightOuttaCanton

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I'm not one for hats of any sort.

Judging by the available internet pictures of you, you should perhaps reconsider :sherlock:
07-05-18, 13:05
The Lone Gunman

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

Judging by the available internet pictures of you, you should perhaps reconsider :sherlock:

Only in the snow. :thumbup:
07-05-18, 13:14
jeepster

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Only in the snow. :thumbup:

:hehe::thumbup:
07-05-18, 13:26
Auntie Andy

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

The irony here is that I usually get accused of only posting on this board when something negative happens at the club.

I hope you're reading this Auntie Andy and Insider.

:biggrin:

Don’t start on me you freeeloder :hehe:
07-05-18, 14:31
William Treseder

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Getting into the 4th page now this thread. Must admit, TLG is premier league when it comes to fighting fires and swatting away opponents with a few taps of the keyboard.
Sometimes it’s quite funny, other times it’s a bit boring,I think if you looked up the word stubborn in the dictionary, TLG would be mentioned somewhere?
At the end of the day, Tan has given a little ground, TLG and BIS have stood firm. I can only see 2 losers in this scenario, as both appear so very bitter and twisted toward a club they both claimed to have supported once.
Ps. A question for both TLG and BIS. Would you have taken the same stance if you’d been around at the time we changed from our original colours to Blue ?
07-05-18, 14:33
J R Hartley

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What is the point of these threads?

No one is going to change their stance now and just giving a troll like BIS a platform to vent his spleen again?
07-05-18, 14:34
J R Hartley

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Getting into the 4th page now this thread. Must admit, TLG is premier league when it comes to fighting fires and swatting away opponents with a few taps of the keyboard.
Sometimes it’s quite funny, other times it’s a bit boring,I think if you looked up the word stubborn in the dictionary, TLG would be mentioned somewhere?
At the end of the day, Tan has given a little ground, TLG and BIS have stood firm. I can only see 2 losers in this scenario, as both appear so very bitter and twisted toward a club they both claimed to have supported once.
Ps. A question for both TLG and BIS. Would you have taken the same stance if you’d been around at the time we changed from our original colours to Blue ?

Ah **** em. Who cares.
07-05-18, 14:35
Lawnmower

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Really really sorry I posted this now.

I should really have known better.

Stupidly I was hoping something positive could come of it.
07-05-18, 14:36
J R Hartley

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Really really sorry I posted this now.

I should really have known better.

Stupidly I was hoping something positive could come of it.

Tim you’re one of the best posters, and most positive City fans on here, but this thread was only ever going to go one way.

Enjoy the promotion. You deserve it. :thumbup:
07-05-18, 14:37
Llanedeyrnblue

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

wonder if he would have apologised if we had lost, or was the apology before the game. Seems odd, he's had a long time to say sorry, through the press etc. Maybe he was waiting for the right 'time'

Perhaps his mum give him another bollocking
07-05-18, 14:37
Hilts

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

What is the point of these threads?

No one is going to change their stance now and just giving a troll like BIS a platform to vent his spleen again?

This.
07-05-18, 15:16
soulsurfer3

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Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Really really sorry I posted this now.

I should really have known better.

Stupidly I was hoping something positive could come of it.

The man brought JOY to thousands yesterday, thanks for pointing out his admission, it takes a big man to admit he was wrong .

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07-05-18, 15:24
Pearcey3

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

Really really sorry I posted this now.

I should really have known better.

Stupidly I was hoping something positive could come of it.

Shocking performance from you young man.:hehe:
07-05-18, 15:57
jeepster

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Originally Posted by soulsurfer3

The man brought JOY to thousands yesterday, thanks for pointing out his admission, it takes a big man to admit he was wrong .

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Look at Tans face pure joy:thumbup:
07-05-18, 16:03
soulsurfer3

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Look at Tans face pure joy:thumbup:

Yes Jeeps. Vincent Tan THE JOYBRINGER, These are GREAT days.
07-05-18, 16:22
Nick

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Whilst he didn't actually utter the words "I am sorry" what he said - "I must admit I made a mistake early on changing the colour, but I removed the mistake. There will be no more tinkering with the colours. "I feel the club is united again, everybody is pulling in the same direction. The Board, the team, the fans, the media. We need everyone to be positive because there is lots to be positive about.

"I can understand how the fans feel. But I reverted back to blue. I want to say thank-you very much to them for continuing to support the club.

"There are good positive feelings and you need that to be successful. Together, hopefully, we can make this club bigger, stronger, better, greater."

Is as close to that as is possible. The man is sorry, he made a mistake, he admits he made a mistake and he put it right. He got dogs own abuse from thousands but still kept putting his own cash in to the club. OK, he made us suffer by giving us Solskjaer, Slade and Trollope but he has also now given us Warnock and a team that we can all love and support.

It's been a journey since he first set foot in to Cardiff, there have been bad times - The red fiasco and the dire football under Slade particularly, but what a ride the last 18 months have been. I've certainly enjoyed it and hope that will continue for years to come.
07-05-18, 16:45
MacAdder

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Nick

Whilst he didn't actually utter the words "I am sorry" what he said - "I must admit I made a mistake early on changing the colour, but I removed the mistake. There will be no more tinkering with the colours. "I feel the club is united again, everybody is pulling in the same direction. The Board, the team, the fans, the media. We need everyone to be positive because there is lots to be positive about.

"I can understand how the fans feel. But I reverted back to blue. I want to say thank-you very much to them for continuing to support the club.

"There are good positive feelings and you need that to be successful. Together, hopefully, we can make this club bigger, stronger, better, greater."

Is as close to that as is possible. The man is sorry, he made a mistake, he admits he made a mistake and he put it right. He got dogs own abuse from thousands but still kept putting his own cash in to the club. OK, he made us suffer by giving us Solskjaer, Slade and Trollope but he has also now given us Warnock and a team that we can all love and support.

It's been a journey since he first set foot in to Cardiff, there have been bad times - The red fiasco and the dire football under Slade particularly, but what a ride the last 18 months have been. I've certainly enjoyed it and hope that will continue for years to come.

Good post, even topping the previous best post of Pearcey :thumbup:
07-05-18, 16:50
NYCBlue

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Nick

As I said in another post it comes to something whereby supporters of other clubs, notably our biggest rivals for promotion - Fulham come on to this message board to congratulate the, team, the club and its supporters only to find a number of supporters of our club continually bitching about the owner of the club. What the hell must they think of the supporters of the club??

The problem is not with anti-tan contingent. It's all the pro-Tan lot that can't stand for anyone to disagree with them. Don't want to see anti-Tan comments? Stop creating threads designed to change people's minds.

There is no apology in that statement. An admission of mistake is not an apology. We know it was a mistake. If it wasn't, we'd still be playing in red. Even if Tan did apologise, I don't think it would change my opinion of him. I don't find him a likeable person. What does it matter?

I love Cardiff City, I hated the red, but I never stopped supporting the club, I'm glad we're back in blue, this season has been amazing and I'm overjoyed that we got promoted. Where does it say I have to like the owner? Why am I not I allowed my own opinions? Why should someone I don't know care whether or not I like Vincent Tan?
07-05-18, 17:16
Croesy Blue

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It’s both sides, both stubborn people who are either blinded by hatred or rose tinted specs.

We are never all going to agree so I’m at a loss to why we have the exact same thread with the exact replies every couple of months.
07-05-18, 17:56
William Treseder

Re: Tan's apology

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It’s both sides, both stubborn people who are either blinded by hatred or rose tinted specs.

We are never all going to agree so I’m at a loss to why we have the exact same thread with the exact replies every couple of months.

Probably because posters like you and me, keep contributing lol!

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