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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Henry Hill
Can’t attract premier league players, always been found wanting at this level.
No time for sentiment should have thanked him in the summer and wished him on his way.
We will be relegated by Xmas with the current squad.
Mr Miserable aren't we! At least give the guy a full season in charge. Nothing, but nothing, will be as bad as last time we were in the prem league. Warnock certainly won't be as bad as 'The Useless One' Ole. A man who made the likes of Durban and Hibbert look like world beating managers. You do remember those dark days, don't you? Or do you just remember our more successful seasons?? You sound like someone who has supported the club since the Dave Jones days!!
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Henry Hill
Can’t attract premier league players, always been found wanting at this level.
No time for sentiment should have thanked him in the summer and wished him on his way.
We will be relegated by Xmas with the current squad.
Seriously WTF did you expect?
Tan to open up his bank account so Warnock can spend £200m PLUS in transfers and pay £ millions each month on Premier League Wages for players !!!!!! Are you for real??
Look what happened to us last time we were in the EPL ..... Like 90% of the posters on here are literally overwhelmed with what NW has done to this football club, he's been an absolute Godsend. Gone are the dark days of RED and watching our beloved Cardiff City slowly slipping away into nonexistence playing SHITE football.
I've always been proud to be a Cardiff City supporter and what Neil has given us is so much more belief - I know it aint gonna be easy being back in the EPL but FFS is anybody really expecting us to challenge for the title :hehe: We all know its gonna be a dog fight but as most of us on here knows If we do end up getting relegated back down to the championship we will have an amazing team to compete on Championship wages :thumbup:
For one I'm backing NW to prove alot of people wrong by keeping us up against all the odds - You never know there could be another 2015-16 season on the cards :ayatollah:
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
binman
I'll pay it if you go back there with your words of wisdom
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
SABlue
Seriously WTF did you expect?
Tan to open up his bank account so Warnock can spend £200m PLUS in transfers and pay £ millions each month on Premier League Wages for players !!!!!! Are you for real??
Look what happened to us last time we were in the EPL ..... Like 90% of the posters on here are literally overwhelmed with what NW has done to this football club, he's been an absolute Godsend. Gone are the dark days of RED and watching our beloved Cardiff City slowly slipping away into nonexistence playing SHITE football.
I've always been proud to be a Cardiff City supporter and what Neil has given us is so much more belief - I know it aint gonna be easy being back in the EPL but FFS is anybody really expecting us to challenge for the title :hehe: We all know its gonna be a dog fight but as most of us on here knows If we do end up getting relegated back down to the championship we will have an amazing team to compete on Championship wages :thumbup:
For one I'm backing NW to prove alot of people wrong by keeping us up against all the odds - You never know there could be another 2015-16 season on the cards :ayatollah:
Yeah, I would go along with this.
Additionally what manager could we get that would 'guarantee' survival? None that are available to uswith the budget we have. There are no guarantees in football.
I for one don't want us to go down the manager changing merry-go-round and end up with the likes of Redknapp, Pardew, Moyles or goodness me 'Allardyce'.. heaven forbid. If we appointed one of those the same people spouting about NW would soon wished we had kept him. At least he has the spirit and balls we need.
Very happy to stick with NW and fail with him if that's what happens.
While I am disappointed we have not signed another striker and midfielder yet I am happy that we haven't mortgaged the club and risked everything on 'staying' up. Staying in the premier league is not the be all and end all.. we have our club back and that is worth more than the EPL survival.
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
Yeah, I would go along with this.
Additionally what manager could we get that would 'guarantee' survival? None that are available to uswith the budget we have. There are no guarantees in football.
I for one don't want us to go down the manager changing merry-go-round and end up with the likes of Redknapp, Pardew, Moyles or goodness me 'Allardyce'.. heaven forbid. If we appointed one of those the same people spouting about NW would soon wished we had kept him. At least he has the spirit and balls we need.
Very happy to stick with NW and fail with him if that's what happens.
While I am disappointed we have not signed another striker and midfielder yet I am happy that we haven't mortgaged the club and risked everything on 'staying' up. Staying in the premier league is not the be all and end all.. we have our club back and that is worth more than the EPL survival.
Well said. Couldn’t agree more. Is against the world. They don’t stand a chance.
As a side comment , amongst all this clamour to spend millions and millions and gamble our club on premier league survival, are we forgetting that Leicester won the league with very little spending ?
Spending ridiculous amounts on untried premiership players is a fools game.
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Fine Lines
Well said. Couldn’t agree more. Is against the world. They don’t stand a chance.
As a side comment , amongst all this clamour to spend millions and millions and gamble our club on premier league survival, are we forgetting that Leicester won the league with very little spending ?
Spending ridiculous amounts on untried premiership players is a fools game.
Also agree and to be honest I think Reid and Murphy could well turn out to be very good signings, they scored a lot of goals between them in the Championship last season. Whether they can repeat that in the Premier league who knows but it will be fun finding out, it's amazing we're still not a Championship club this season.
It was mentioned Brighton were considered much the same at the start of last season - who then would have had the old warhorse Glenn Murray down as a decent goal scoring Premier league striker!
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If Neil did the unthinkable (to the doom and gloom merchants on here) and kept the City up it would be nice to see the naysayers hold their hands up and admit that they got it wrong,I ain't holding my breath!.
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Henry Hill
Totally missing the point but there you go.
Douglas was a player good enough for the championship but not what they wanted in the Prem.
Warnock falls into the same category. Excellent championship manager, failed every time in the Prem.
Have you checked his win % for Premier League games? It's not that bad at all. In fact both his win ratios at Palace are better than Roy Hodgson's.
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Harry Monk
Have you checked his win % for Premier League games? It's not that bad at all. In fact both his win ratios at Palace are better than Roy Hodgson's.
Harry Monk.
I just checked out NW's Premier League record.
You are right... it isn't as bad as some people are making out.
Matches 74
Wins 17
Draws 19
Losses 38
Goals For 69
Against 115
Maths isn't my strong point but.... 74 matches in the Premier League is essentially just 2 games over 2 full seasons.
Across those 74 games a points tally of 70 isn't so bad bearing in mind he was in some difficult circumstances in some of the clubs he managed.
It is true he needs to up his game a bit to keep us up but we are talking a few extra wins/draws.
With the chairman behind him, fans behind him, a bit of luck and a great team spirit.. who knows.
To write him off and not give him a chance after what he has done for us would be cruel in the extreme
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
NW's average point tally in the Premier League is 34.05 per season.
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
Harry Monk.
I just checked out NW's Premier League record.
You are right... it isn't as bad as some people are making out.
Matches 74
Wins 17
Draws 19
Losses 38
Goals For 69
Against 115
Maths isn't my strong point but.... 74 matches in the Premier League is essentially just 2 games over 2 full seasons.
Across those 74 games a points tally of 70 isn't so bad bearing in mind he was in some difficult circumstances in some of the clubs he managed.
It is true he needs to up his game a bit to keep us up but we are talking a few extra wins/draws.
With the chairman behind him, fans behind him, a bit of luck and a great team spirit.. who knows.
To write him off and not give him a chance after what he has done for us would be cruel in the extreme
Not just cruel in the extreme , it would be a return to the crazy days.
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
Harry Monk.
I just checked out NW's Premier League record.
You are right... it isn't as bad as some people are making out.
Matches 74
Wins 17
Draws 19
Losses 38
Goals For 69
Against 115
Maths isn't my strong point but.... 74 matches in the Premier League is essentially just 2 games over 2 full seasons.
Across those 74 games a points tally of 70 isn't so bad bearing in mind he was in some difficult circumstances in some of the clubs he managed.
It is true he needs to up his game a bit to keep us up but we are talking a few extra wins/draws.
With the chairman behind him, fans behind him, a bit of luck and a great team spirit.. who knows.
To write him off and not give him a chance after what he has done for us would be cruel in the extreme
100% AGREE :thumbup:
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Don Corleone
Also agree and to be honest I think Reid and Murphy could well turn out to be very good signings, they scored a lot of goals between them in the Championship last season. Whether they can repeat that in the Premier league who knows but it will be fun finding out, it's amazing we're still not a Championship club this season.
It was mentioned Brighton were considered much the same at the start of last season - who then would have had the old warhorse Glenn Murray down as a decent goal scoring Premier league striker!
Excellent point about Glenn Murray, who would have thought!
Maybe our own GM will come through, however unlikely that looks at the moment!
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Spooky Tree
Simply creating this thread was a dick move. Clickbait title designed to cause controversy while the OP sits at his computer masturbating furiously. Troll. Plain and simple.
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
Harry Monk.
I just checked out NW's Premier League record.
You are right... it isn't as bad as some people are making out.
Matches 74
Wins 17
Draws 19
Losses 38
Goals For 69
Against 115
Maths isn't my strong point but.... 74 matches in the Premier League is essentially just 2 games over 2 full seasons.
Across those 74 games a points tally of 70 isn't so bad bearing in mind he was in some difficult circumstances in some of the clubs he managed.
It is true he needs to up his game a bit to keep us up but we are talking a few extra wins/draws.
With the chairman behind him, fans behind him, a bit of luck and a great team spirit.. who knows.
To write him off and not give him a chance after what he has done for us would be cruel in the extreme
If my maths is right, that gives him a points average of 0.946 per game in the top flight.
Dave Jones had an average of 1.145, yet I doubt many City fans would swap the two. I would also suggest that our promotion last season given all the circumstances eclipses anything Jones, or most City managers, have ever achieved.
I have a sneaky suspicion we might surprise a few teams this season. Either that or we'll sing like a stone.
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Spooky Tree
Simply creating this thread was a dick move. Clickbait title designed to cause controversy while the OP sits at his computer masturbating furiously. Troll. Plain and simple.
Probably explains why he needs a pair of tweezers.
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
I think a lot of the new fans will "Be found wanting", as well, as they troop out with 20 minutes to go.
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
If my maths is right, that gives him a points average of 0.946 per game in the top flight.
Dave Jones had an average of 1.145, yet I doubt many City fans would swap the two. I would also suggest that our promotion last season given all the circumstances eclipses anything Jones, or most City managers, have ever achieved.
I have a sneaky suspicion we might surprise a few teams this season. Either that or we'll sing like a stone.
You can't always get what you want.
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Baloo
You can't always get what you want.
boom boom :hehe:
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
If my maths is right, that gives him a points average of 0.946 per game in the top flight.
Dave Jones had an average of 1.145, yet I doubt many City fans would swap the two. I would also suggest that our promotion last season given all the circumstances eclipses anything Jones, or most City managers, have ever achieved.
I have a sneaky suspicion we might surprise a few teams this season. Either that or we'll sing like a stone.
So the difference between survival and relegation? Not that DJs PL record has anything to do with it?!?
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Big Sam to the rescue by Xmas
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Harry Monk
Have you checked his win % for Premier League games? It's not that bad at all. In fact both his win ratios at Palace are better than Roy Hodgson's.
Why such a restricted sample size?
What’s Warnocks points per game ratio in the top flight v Woy?
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
Henry Hill
Big Sam to the rescue by Xmas
No thanx
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Still going then,this thread, skipped a page or two, has the bitching stopped?
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Warnock will stand or fall based on his team and how they compete?
But ive said it before our back 4 from last season (combo of peltier morro bamba and bennett manga) had a pass completion rate of less than 50% overall in the champ. That is simply not good enough and we will have a real uphill task in the prem if we give the ball away every other time we pass it out the back.
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Originally Posted by
chepstow
But ive said it before our back 4 from last season (combo of peltier morro bamba and bennett manga) had a pass completion rate of less than 50% overall in the champ. That is simply not good enough and we will have a real uphill task in the prem if we give the ball away every other time we pass it out the back.
50% pass completion would major concern if we were the sort of team looking to play out from the back or retain possession for long periods but we're not. We look to get forward quickly making passes into danger areas that, more often than not will get picked off by the defence, but if it comes off only 10% of the time it still leads to real goal scoring opportunities.
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Originally Posted by
TeesBlue
50% pass completion would major concern if we were the sort of team looking to play out from the back or retain possession for long periods but we're not. We look to get forward quickly making passes into danger areas that, more often than not will get picked off by the defence, but if it comes off only 10% of the time it still leads to real goal scoring opportunities.
Thats NW style of play i agree. And that is why hes only won 17 in 74 in the prem league as a manager??
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
chepstow
Thats NW style of play i agree. And that is why hes only won 17 in 74 in the prem league as a manager??
Or maybe as he is always been in a newly promoted team or struggling team ?
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
TeesBlue
50% pass completion would major concern if we were the sort of team looking to play out from the back or retain possession for long periods but we're not. We look to get forward quickly making passes into danger areas that, more often than not will get picked off by the defence, but if it comes off only 10% of the time it still leads to real goal scoring opportunities.
The problem with that is that you are not playing Burton Albion and Leeds next season. Possession is vital in the PL, since when has it been a good idea to give teams more of the ball?
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Originally Posted by
Badly Ironed Shirt
The problem with that is that you are not playing Burton Albion and Leeds next season. Possession is vital in the PL, since when has it been a good idea to give teams more of the ball?
Since Leicester won the league with 41% average possession (19th in the league) and 69% passing accuracy (worst in the league).
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Since Leicester won the league with 41% average possession (19th in the league) and 69% passing accuracy (worst in the league).
Yeah, but they had Vardy and Mahrez. They also didn't just hoof the ball up the pitch.
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Germany had a lot of possession at the World Cup. Still went out in the group stages.
Attacking disorganised defences when they are vulnerable is the new theory.
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Originally Posted by
Fine Lines
Germany had a lot of possession at the World Cup. Still went out in the group stages.
Attacking disorganised defences when they are vulnerable is the new theory.
:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Badly Ironed Shirt
Yeah, but they had Vardy and Mahrez. They also didn't just hoof the ball up the pitch.
Who were they the previous season, may I ask? World beaters?
The stats suggest otherwise, babes.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Since Leicester won the league with 41% average possession (19th in the league) and 69% passing accuracy (worst in the league).
We will find exceptions but possession in vital in the prem always has been and we must keep the ball if we hope to be competitive at all
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Originally Posted by
chepstow
We will find exceptions but possession in vital in the prem always has been and we must keep the ball if we hope to be competitive at all
Pulis seemed to manage alright in the Premier League for about a decade without his teams having great possession stats. Let's hope we're one of the other exceptions then...
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
Where did Burnley finish last season?
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Originally Posted by
jamieccfc
Where did Burnley finish last season?
A more suitable comparison between us and burnley would be the first season they wre promoted into the prem.
They were relegated
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4 pages of utter bollocks unsurprisingly started by someone who once claimed on here to have no legs.
What did people expect? Sack Warnock. Appoint Klopp and give him £200m to spend so we could transform our style?
If you want to compete by changing your style then that’s an indication of what it might cost
The goal is obviously to just stay up - it’s a big ask as the entire squad is inexperienced at this level but it’s a possibility we’ll do it if we get Warnocks premier league average of around a point a game.
Whatever happens I think we might be one of the best 25 or so teams in the country for the next 3 years
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Re: Warnock will always be found wanting at this level
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Originally Posted by
chepstow
A more suitable comparison between us and burnley would be the first season they wre promoted into the prem.
They were relegated
:hehe: Why is it a more suitable comparison? Because that suits your argument?
You are adamant that possession is completely necessary to avoid relegation from the Premier League, but, 7th placed Burnley, any Pulis team (West Brom, Stoke and Palace) and Premier League Champions Leicester (just to name a few) show that possession is meaningless unless you do something with it.
Burnley recorded 3,028 long balls last season, the most of any team in the league (15th placed Brighton were 2nd with 2,774) and had 43.6% possession on average (Brighton had 43.7%).
Of course, a lot of teams will get relegated with poor possession stats, but lots of teams don't... And that's the f*cking point!
