First game against a top 6 side that we Should be come out with more than a point and the easiest offside decision of the millennium gets missed.
Still in s state of disbelief st the ineptitude of the supposedly best officials in the country.
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First game against a top 6 side that we Should be come out with more than a point and the easiest offside decision of the millennium gets missed.
Still in s state of disbelief st the ineptitude of the supposedly best officials in the country.
Their is a gulf in class between our players and Chelsea. We start the game knowing that we really need to win it and that we need to avoid conceding an early goal. Our players know that their only hope is to work their bollocks off, play as positively as they can and be lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
They do just that in the first half, make their luck in the second and then as they tire they see the Chelsea super subs come on.
The pressure mounts, the muscles ache, the anxiety increases and then Chelsea score. Their class shows through although in this case the goal should not have stood. But the ref gives it.
How the fcuk do you think the players felt. Deflated, shattered, cheated. They are human, not robots. They climbed a mountain, they almost reached the peak.
Both Sky and Talkshite are only interested in the top 6 clubs. Everybody else are bit part players just there for the big boys to beat. You were done by 2 top 6 decisions today. The lesser clubs never get those decisions. “The bigger clubs get the big decisions” says the pundit on MoTD2. What a disgraceful state of affairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
just watched MOTD, has the game got such a slant to it now that even MOTD can see it and all agreed it is happening, what the hell has happened to the game ? ? ?
And they showed that watford pen from ages ago. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Ah well- at least we are making a fight of it.
It was interesting to see that they were questioning it, very honest and while it could well be too late for us, maybe with VAR things might changeQuote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
Azpilicueta was so offside when the corner was taken that it was almost possible for some City players who could see him to subconsciously relax as they waited for the inevitable flag to be raised. If you're a linesman with enough experience of doing the job to make it to Premier League level, you will have seen thousands of corners being taken and you make sure that you are in a position to perform the only task you have at that time as accurately as possible - if I volunteered to run the line at the next Blaenrhondda match I go to and was unable to decide whether someone was offside or not because a corner taker was in my way, I'd feel I was not doing the job properly, for someone doing the job in the Premier League to come up with that excuse is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
...forest..you're banging your head against a brick wall on here concerning the sliding doors impact in a game..
Screwed by refereeing decisions but move on. We did well.
I never expected to get anything from the remaining games against the top 6, but we have to win the others.
I wouldn't hold your breath on VAR them fouls on Morrison in the box won't even get reveiwed just waved on for the likes of Cardiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Seems like most media pundits think these decisions will now cost us a place in the premier league, most saying if we had won the6 think we’d have gone on to beat Burnely.....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Not true. Players like Hazard get free kicks because they have the ability to put themselves in situations where they may get fouled. He's creative, runs at players and defenders find it difficult to get the ball from him, he puts himself in that position many times during a game, he is more likely to get fouled or give the impression he is being fouled. Can you imagine a defender who likes to go to ground alot when tackling, it's a dangerous game to play and at some point he'll get done because he's putting himself at risk by giving the impression that he is fouling. It's not about the officials being star struck, it's about good players being clever, there's a big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fancydan
GSo you agree big players can get a decisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
It'll all be forgotten if we beat Man City.
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Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
Hazard shouldn’t be allowed by refs to behave like he does when an opponent dares to tackle him. The referee allowing him to just stop play do a double tea pot expecting an automatic free kick is pitiful. The one where Peltier gets stuck into him on the half way line was just one example.
Referees try to be consistent but they can’t help themselves giving decisions to the big clubs. The Rooney hatchet job on Mutch is a prime example as us Ralls’ dismissal v Spurs.
We weren't cheated, Jamie Carragher has proved we weren't!
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Two days later, I am, if anything, even more annoyed now than I was on Sunday. Everyone of the big decisions went against us against Chelsea bar one.
Are we really expected to believe that spotting such a blatant offside from a corner is "almost impossible" because the corner taker is in the way? If there was any truth at all to this nonsense, we'd be seeing lots of decisions equally as poor as Sunday's every season, yet every other linesman/woman in the Premier League, and virtually every other league the world over, finds a way to to cope with what Eddie Smart seemed to find impossible. Mr Smart is supposed to be one of the elite when it comes to running the line and yet he can't see that someone has moved from being five yards offside to being a yard offside while a corner is being taken - it's just pathetic and I can only presume that those I've seen on social media trying to defend him are doing so because of Neil Warnock's involvement.
It did feel like that the referee was so shocked that golden-boy Hazard could be robbed by Peltier in a potentially dangerous position he just felt compelled to blow-up and stop the madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cretin Hop
Do you think the linesman made the mistake deliberately? Do you think he knew Azpilicieta was offside but decided not to raise his flag?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Does missing an obvious offside make it any better than doing it on deliberately anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
In fairness I think a lot of it is because Warnock was going mad at the 4th official and there’s been a movement to try and curb this because violence against refs in non professional football is at an all time high.Quote:
I've seen on social media trying to defend him are doing so because of Neil Warnock's involvement.
There’s also the point Warnock wasn’t too upset about our offside goal against Brighton.
I can see why Warnock is annoyed, the ref was terrible at the weekend and definitely cost us at least a point. But Warnock is a bit of a hypocrite, as much as I respect the man.
Within half a second of the ball being flicked on by Alonso, Manga is now marginally closer to the goal than Azpilicieta, so I can imagine a scenario where the linesman maybe has a slight doubt in his mind and decides there is no offside. Morrison apart, there's no appeal from City defenders, least of all from Manga, who would have been in the best position to have seen it. In real time, it's not quite as straightforward as we make out with a freeze frame of the point where Alonso heads it on, though it is a blunder. I don't recall lots of anger from the crowd at the time, either. Was it deliberate? Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
There might be another issue to come out of this as well. In that split fraction of a second, are linesmen really able to judge perfectly what is and isn't offside? How much do they rely on defenders claiming an opponent was offside etc?
As far as I can gather, pretty much everyone in the ground missed an obvious offside until they saw the TV replays, including the officials, the City players, the commentators and the spectators.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
No, i don't and I don't see where I said anything to suggest I did. Let's be clear here, what happened was that a linesman, presumably reckoned to be one of the best at that job in the country, failed to spot that a goal scorer who never got remotely close to being onside was a yard offside when he made contact with the ball and his excuse is that he couldn't see because the corner taker was in his way. I ask again, if we are to believe the linesman, why aren't there regular conversations in the media about how yet another goal was wrongly given because the linesman failed to spot an obviously offside player at a corner?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
People love to see conspiracies everywhere these days, but I've always thought that cock up beats conspiracy most times and I believe it does here - the linesman messed up in a major, major way, had he never ever found himself with a corner taker standing in front of him before?
Etheridge was appealing as the ball hit the net, but I admit that the lack of argument from City players about the decision was a surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
What about the two dead cert penalty appeals on Morrison? and that awful challenge on Zahore?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
If one of those penalties were given that would have given us a 2-0 lead AND Rudiger would have received TWO bookings and would have been sent Off - No matter how you look at it we were truly and utterly Robbed
Your tone, especially in your opening comments, suggested you thought City had been cheated. I think they were extremely unfortunate, but I don’t think they were cheated. I just don’t believe officials make these errors deliberately and I don’t think they make any more of them now than they did in the past. For me, it’s a simple case of so many cameras and so much scrutiny.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
No talk of Brighton being cheated earlier in the season when Bamba scored an offside winner. No talk of it when Southampton and Huddersfield were denied clear penalties either. City have had some really rough luck with decisions this season, but they’ve been on the right side of a few blatant errors too. That seems to be ignored when these discussions take place, much like the foul on Rudiger which could have given Chelsea a penalty with the score at 0-0 on Sunday.
The goal against Brighton happened so quickly and Bamba was offside for only a split second - it was a classic case of the so many cameras point you make and I'd like to think that I would have been fairly philosophical about it if it had been scored against us. Sunday was completely different, the scorer was never onside! Have you seen such an obviously offside goal given in the Premier League, with all its cameras, this season?
As for the foul on Rudiger, that's why I said all but one of the major decisions went against us, I also mentioned it in my blog piece on the game.
Out of interest, was Azpi onside when the corner was taken as he was behind the ball?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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Originally Posted by Baloo
You can't be offside if you get the ball directly from a corner.
OK, just wanted to check if I understood TOBW's point about him being never onside, as I presumed he only became offside when the flick-on occurred. I'll have to check with the Mrs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
If he had headed the ball in directly from the corner, he would have been offside because he would have been offside when the corner was taken, and without that near post flick on, he would have been offside when he scored - as far as I'm concerned, he was offside from the time the corner was taken to the time it was flicked on by Alonso - i.e. all of the time that counted as far as the validity of the goal is concerned.
But you can’t be offside when a corner is taken. Or have I read this wrong?Quote:
If he had headed the ball in directly from the corner, he would have been offside because he would have been offside when the corner was taken
He’s in an “offside position” but he’s only offside once one of his teammates flick the ball on.
But the ball would not have moved forward from the corner, so it's impossible to be offside straight from a corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Impossible to be in an offside position when the corner was taken.
Impossible to be offside anytime the ball is coming back on the pitch; corner, goal kick or throw in.
More teams should exploit the goal kick rule. Need a keeper with a mighty kick, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
The outcome, however, was the same. A goal counted that shouldn't have been allowed and almost certainly won't be next season when VAR is introduced to the Premier League.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I think Warnock's comments today were somewhat ironic when he said: "He (Mike Reilly) has been manufactured, almost like a robot. He knows everything about the rules but I feel these people struggle to understand the game and the human element."
The linesman's mistake on Sunday was clearly human error. It was a poor one and desperately unlucky from City's perspective, but it's not as if the guy was deliberately trying to cheat City out of a result. He's not a robot. These errors happen all the time and, in my opinion at least, it's only the fact that we have so many camera angles in top flight matches and other high-profile televised games that they end up being scrutinised to the degree they are. Indeed, I reckon if the exact same goal had been scored against City last season in a non-TV Championship game where the only cameras in operation were on the halfway line, nobody would have noticed.
We see offside decisions awarded at all levels on a regular basis that are incorrect and we also see goals allowed that should have been ruled out. That's because the officials are not robots and there is a human element, which means in almost all cases they're just guessing, the same as the fans in the stands.
I've spoken to a lad in work this morning who was there on Sunday. He said there was no kind of reaction from the crowd to the first Chelsea goal other than moans and groans of disappointment. He wasn't aware of the offside issue until after the game and I'm guessing the same is true for the players and most if not all of the rest of the crowd. I didn't spot the offside on first viewing in real time and neither did the commentators on Sky or the BBC. It's just horrendous luck from City's point of view that the one man who could and should have been in a position to see it and award a free-kick was apparently distracted during the split-second the incident took place.
For me it wasn’t just that decision- in fairness that’s the linesman’s incompetence, not the refs.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
It was the fact that it was one of 4 major decisions they gave against us -all of which would have affected the result.
Yes, there was a shirt pull by Gunnar , but that wasn’t even bad enough to be on the Sky highlights- although a 3rd City penalty claim ( for handball) was - admittedly I didn’t think that one was in fairness.
The tug on Morrison’s arm was blatant and clear as day. How the hell does he think Morrison has fallen the way he has- and the one on Zohore, he didn’t even want to give a free kick at first.
He was a coward from the start- blatant booking offence on Murphy, ignored intentional handball by Hazard and then booked Artur who chopped him down in frustration. He could have booked Artur earlier, but his previous poor decision meant he was in an awkward position to do so.
He also allowed his linesman to be shouted at time and time again by Ruiz.
Gave every decision Hazard told him too.
He wasnt a cheat ( although my wife thought he’d been paid off) , but clearly wasn’t capable of dealing with top footballers without inherent bias or a lack of courage to make decisions which might anger them.
That is a good summary of the events:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower