Can you honestly see that happening ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
He has never taken any notice of academies in all his career
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Can you honestly see that happening ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
He has never taken any notice of academies in all his career
That’s what he has done at every club he has managed irrespective of budget availability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
He cannot change his ways and will continue with the way we are now.
If Tan made a lot of money available I would be very concerned about his ability to spend it correctly
I have no idea but just a hunch that a multi million pound business with highly paid directors and successful business men at the helm have things called business plans in place where they discuss where the business is going in the next 5 years and have succession plans in place and during these meetings they discuss when the operations manager is going to retire and which direction they want to go. I think maybe just maybe they know when Neil if he stays healthy plans to finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I think that is probably a better solution than a bunch of blokes saying stay or go anonymously on an internet forum though I do appreciate the fantastic planning that goes into these polls.
If we get promoted again would you want Warnock to stay? I doubt very much if any new manager would be able to work with all of the players that Warnock left behind, so we are looking at a rebuilding job, and that is why I am saying make the change now. Another promotion with Warnock would end up with the same outcome, and we would be no further down the road. What we need is a total rethink from top to bottom, because at the momet we are not a viable Premier League proposition, and applying a few more sticky plasters isn't going to hide that fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
OK. You're wrong, but how about if I said "anyone could have done it"?Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Stay
Not sure as the under 18s have done okay this season?
It appears others have explained why we got where we are in terms of our forum tennis so no need to further that bit but delighted with Man city result and I'm sure so was every other Cardiff city fan as it means that come the final day man city still need to beat Brighton for the league which means if we beat palace then it is still all to play for 👍 so not sure why you think I would be upset?
Stay
Come on Neil, get the players fighting for two more games.
Go.
If we do get relegated, and if we were then to mount a promotion challenge next season, it would be just a case of déjà vu with Warnock at the helm. I wouldn't trust him with any kind of war chest, he prefers the type of players who are.. "Strong in the arm, thick in the head", carthorses who'll run all day! Victor Camarasa is the exception to this, but he wasn't really scouted by us, he landed on our doorstep courtesy of the friendly match we played pre-season against Real Betis and the influence his girlfriend had on helping him make the decision to join us. He was a last minute signing, imagine how bereft of ability our midfield would have further been without him.
It frustrates the hell out of me to continually see all of our summer outlays sitting on the bench each game or not even making the matchday squad.
A Premier League club and we resorted to bringing on a striker who was on loan at Milton Keynes Dons in League Two. Danny Ward who's done little in his time at the club (not for a want of trying, in fairness) to inspire any real confidence in the fans was greeted onto the pitch against Fulham as if he was the next messiah, such was our desperation.
Our widemen are usually burnt out in games because of Warnocks insistence that they track back and help out our defence, a policy that puts them more in the critical spotlight for any defensive mistakes they might make, rather than encourage attacking flair and prowess.
I found it mind-numbing to watch our football at times, even those teams below us (Huddersfield & Fulham) have looked much more comfortable on the ball and dominated possession against us.
A big thank you for all what you've done for our club Neil, you are like the Red Adair of football.
It’s a tough one!
If we go down then we have the man knows this squad , will have his plan on replacements and how to get out of the division but would you give him much to spend knowing he is leaving at end of season. Also are we potentially wasting a year ( and parachute money ) to start the inevitable rebuild of our squad and playing style once he does leave?
Also what happens if he did win promotion again or if things go wrong next season and come October we are mid table? , I’d hate to hear the chants of “Warnock out “and “you’re getting sacked in the morning “ after the efforts of past 3 seasons.
If the miracle happens and we stay up then I would say thank you but it’s time for change.
Stay, we need some stability next season
100% Stay. If we go down there is no one better placed to get us back up. We have the basis of a strong Championship squad for next season and money available to strengthen further. The same people have been banging on, on this board, about getting rid of him almost since he arrived, including last season around Christmas when we lost four in a row and look how stupid that made them look. Every time we lose a couple or play badly, out they come again with their words of 'wisdom'. After what he has done for the club and everything that has happened this season (including Sala), they should show him more respect and get on their knees and beg him to stay.
Agreed with most of that, but the point must be that the club needs to have the ability to remove Warnock if it wants and should have a plan in place for that as well. The option of keeping Warnock (or any manager) for as long as the manager wants is certainly not healthy. With any long term plan, I can't see how keeping Warnock for as long as possible is beneficial, simply because anyone new coming in will make plenty of changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by binman
Stay!!!!!!
So we go straight back up and replace him or do we keep him for another stay in the PL for another relegation season? I can't see how that would be progress. Sometimes you have to take a step backwards in order to make greater strides forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I don’t think anyone is being ungrateful but we really need to start looking at the long term solution for the club and imho that’s the club moving on from warnock, I also don’t entirely trust him with recruitments in the summer and we need a massive overhaul of players
This is like brexit. Impossible to vote unless you know what the alternative is.
And just like brexit it appears to be a 50/50 split.Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
Bit of a daft question really, if you dont mind me saying so. He has already stated that he will see out his contract to the end of next season and then retire and also stated that if the owner/board wanted his help he would be happy to assist finding a new manager from around Christmas onwards. Therefore, whatever happens next season, it is extremely unlikely that he would be here beyond summer 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
The thing is, it is Tans money not yours and he can do with it exactly what he likes. He obviously trusts NW and unlike what a number of people on here think, recognises that it was a bloody miracle he got us up last year with the players we had and that there is no one better to have another go at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DubaiDai
This - as long as he stays healthy - he's staying and he deserves to.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
In 9 months time Norwich/Sheff Utd will be calling for the heads of their managers - just like Fulham and Huddersfield fans did this season - and so the merry go round carries on.
Gerrard to replace warnock - FFS!!
Its at least 60/40 for stay on here and possibly higher. If you asked people who regularly go to matches or actually in the ground at a match, it would be 95/5 to stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
Does he ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Yes. If he had listened to some fans he would have got rid of him at Christmas 2017 or earlier this season. He was allowing NW to spend £20m on Sala in January and those are not the actions of an owner who doesn't trust his manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Mort
I am in no position to know whether he does or not. I agree with you about there being trust previously but I was wondering whether post Sala tragedy stories and rumours might have changed his attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Many are saying go then commenting that there needs to be a well thought out plan of changing our footballing direction and recruitment.
This is CCFC with Tan at the helm we are on about.
As much as I would like to think the Warnock appointment was a well thought out move, given the previous record of this Chairman/Board I feel it more fits the 'take a punt' mould that has worked out better than many could have imagined.
In short I would be less than confident of the board being able to put a manager and plan in place to change the direction of the club and the way we do things off the pitch (mainly recruiting) and although I don't think we will be an established Premier League club under Warnock any time soon the club have shown on more than one occasion they can get things a lot, lot more wrong than this.
I stand by my often stated opinion that he will no longer be with the club by the start of next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
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Originally Posted by dml1954
I think it is more a case of what has since become known to the club`s hierarchy about the way that Sala episode was handled before the tragedy occurred and the fallout that will ensue in due course.
Do you think he’ll leave on his own terms Keith?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since62
If Tan wants any chance of getting his money back and returning to the PL he will not let Warnock go. WE have had too many bad managers to risk another one.
Stays one more season, becomes Sir Warnock and then we name the Canton stand after him, so he can stay for ever :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc
Gerrard :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep
How many managerial titles has he won FFS
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Originally Posted by Bluebina
I meant to add the poor bugger needs a good holiday, I think the death of Emiliano has affected him badly and take his toll this season !!!
Everyone needs to start somewhere so I suspect everyone starts with none?
And people are displaying a similar fear of the unknown :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
Well, don't hire another Russell Slade type character!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Yes, he said he wanted to stay and about Christmas be involved in finding his replacement. I can't see him being anything but good for the club in so many ways for another year, and his knowledge of the Championship you could not buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep
As for Gerard, I can't see that unless we bounce straight back up but there are Managers out there who could take over I'm sure.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
But sometimes the step backward is just followed by more steps backwards