This Stormzy bloke

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

As an “aged” person I don’t pretend to know best, I am at that age where I don’t have to pretend that I like something just to go along with what is perceived to be popular wisdom. That applies to many aspects of life not just musical tastes. Check out the emperor’s clothes story if you are not familiar with it.

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It’s not really a case of going along with what you don’t like. It’s accepting that people have different tastes without assuming they don’t agree with you just because they’re not able to think independently.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

I enjoyed Sheryl Crow. Accomplished songwriter and band knocking out the hits and working the crowd with consummate ease.

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Yeah I saw her too. She was very good. A phenomenally good looking woman as well.

I don't like rap, grime, house, grunge, or whatever they call it (it's all the same to me anyway).

i don't like it, so I don't listen to it.

My formative music years were the 60s and 70s (Prog rock RULES!) but I also listen to early blues and especially Gershwin.

Like someone said earlier - will this (C)rap stuff be nostalgic music in 20/30+ years? I doubt it.

Let's just say that we've all turned into our parents.

:old: :old:

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Originally Posted by Vindec

I like to listen to people with talent meaning they can either sing in tune, play an instrument well or both. Of course it takes all sorts and I guess I'm too old to enjoy Stormzy who can't fulfill either of the criterion I have mentioned. It seems to me that he filled his performance with visual effects and other people such as the choir, loads of dancers and even BMX bike riders to distract from the fact he had no talent all in my opinion of course. Glastonbury is not only for young people so I was surprised to see so many older people watching Stormzy in the crowd. Not for me though although I did watch it.

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I agree with all your observations. I suppose if you, I and other critics, judged his performance from the perspective of his ability to front a visual spectacle instead of from a musical standpoint then we'd be more forgiving. I saw some of Pink's Cardiff concert a week or so ago and though it was another 'big hat, no cattle' show to mask the fact she's a second-rate singer, at least she could hold a note.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Not all middle aged white men, you really should stop doing that, although generally, i agree. There's a few old racists in this thread and the usual 'BBC have got an agenda' bollocks through diversity. I suppose if woman and ethnic groups hadn't been so badly treated over the past 50 years or so then it wouldn't be so much of a shock to see them playing football on the TV or headlining Glastonbury. This MB has gone downhill over recent years, a few old racists, misogynists and one absolute crackpot are spoiling it.

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I said “all the straight middle aged white men who are fuming” not all men. I don’t for one minute think every man is like this. Racism and misogyny is definitely on the rise, particularly on social media platforms. I blame Brexit :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by bobh

I don't like rap, grime, house, grunge, or whatever they call it (it's all the same to me anyway).

i don't like it, so I don't listen to it.

My formative music years were the 60s and 70s (Prog rock RULES!) but I also listen to early blues and especially Gershwin.

Like someone said earlier - will this (C)rap stuff be nostalgic music in 20/30+ years? I doubt it.

Let's just say that we've all turned into our parents.

:old: :old:

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Punk bands were not generally known for their musicianship and perhaps many would say the same thing of rap.
On the other hand many prog-rock musicians were influenced by classical music and/or could master their musical instruments.
Discuss.
I'm putting on my hard hat as I think I'll need it.

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Originally Posted by Auntie Andy

I said “all the straight middle aged white men who are fuming” not all men. I don’t for one minute think every man is like this. Racism and misogyny is definitely on the rise, particularly on social media platforms. I blame Brexit :biggrin:

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One of the few people who talk sense on here :thumbup:

The furious old white men of ccmb should try and remember not everything is aimed at everyone and people enjoy different things and have different tastes.

It’s crazy how every generation grows up with their dad’s saying “I wouldn’t listen to this shit music was better in my day” then when they’re old start saying the exact same thing.

Tastes change and music evolves, just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean it’s shit.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Bollux!! Justin Bieber was Popular. Should he have headlined? Spice Girls were popular. Should they have headlined? Stormsy came on with a Union Jack Stab proof vest on. I’d have horsed him off straight away just for wearing that.

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The post of yours I quoted said popularity shouldn't be a qualification to headlining a music venue. So if you do mean headlining a music venue then the answer is obviously yes.

If you mean headline Glastonbury, then it's a question of their style of music not popularity. The headliners of Glastonbury have always been, above all else, popular.

I don't know if you've ever done gig promotion, but I have. Like lots of others, I started by thinking I'd be different, it would get successful because of quality music not number of punters. I very quickly realised that this was the way to lose money.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

One of the few people who talk sense on here :thumbup:

The furious old white men of ccmb should try and remember not everything is aimed at everyone and people enjoy different things and have different tastes.

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Who are these “furious old white men” you talk about?

I find that the ‘off’ facility on my remote helps if I’m not keen on something. Why get worked up over something that you can control?

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Punk bands were not generally known for their musicianship and perhaps many would say the same thing of rap.
On the other hand many prog-rock musicians were influenced by classical music and/or could master their musical instruments.
Discuss.
I'm putting on my hard hat as I think I'll need it.

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And they bored me to distraction while doing so - dodges for cover!

Seriously, punk's arrival restored my faith in music - it's always been classic three minute songs over pompous "epics" for me.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

A big deal to who?

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I’d say it’s a big deal to anyone who’s interested in the disappearance of discrimination.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Who are these “furious old white men” you talk about?

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They aren’t hard to spot read the comments section or twitter comments relating to stormzy at Glastonbury.

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

think the fact stormzy was here to make it more diverse severncity as we know it's the BBC agenda these days . onto the music looking forward to the cure tomorrow . last saw them in 1991 in Toronto !

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Do you think the bbc decides on who plays Glastonbury?

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Originally Posted by Baloo

It’s not really a case of going along with what you don’t like. It’s accepting that people have different tastes without assuming they don’t agree with you just because they’re not able to think independently.

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Exactly, the arrogance of that reply sums the attitude of a certain generation... "I don't like this so those other people who seem like they do must be lying"

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Originally Posted by Baloo

I enjoyed Sheryl Crow. Accomplished songwriter and band knocking out the hits and working the crowd with consummate ease.

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:thumbup:

There is a very interesting debate regarding this performance on LBC right now.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I’d say it’s a big deal to anyone who’s interested in the disappearance of discrimination.

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Take it you didn’t read my post further up the thread?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

And they bored me to distraction while doing so - dodges for cover!

Seriously, punk's arrival restored my faith in music - it's always been classic three minute songs over pompous "epics" for me.

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We are all God's children, TOBW. Even us atheists :-)

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Don’t know if it’s just me, but what’s the big deal on constantly going on about the colour of his skin? Lewis Capaldi was half decent but nobody has described him as “the white singer”
Until the day comes when we just look at someone and just call them a person, or artist, then we still have a long way to go.

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It’s a fair point but no one is going on about Capaldi’s skin colour because white people aren’t constantly being held back because they’re white.

The whole “colour blind” stance doesn’t work while people are still actively discriminated against and treated differently because they’re black. It’s actually treated as a view that holds equality back more.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Don’t know if it’s just me, but what’s the big deal on constantly going on about the colour of his skin? Lewis Capaldi was half decent but nobody has described him as “the white singer”
Until the day comes when we just look at someone and just call them a person, or artist, then we still have a long way to go.

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Strewth. The irony in this one post is astonishing.

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Originally Posted by Lord Dargavel

What is wrong with people? Pop music was named because it was popular. Stormzy is presently massive. I don’t like his music but love old hip hop from the 80s. At 41 I discovered it 10-15 years too late and never got into it from Snoop Dogg, Nate Dog era. Loved Oasis, Manics, Stereos but nothing today appeals so I really don’t listen to much. But Who am I to say who should headline Glastonbury? A festival should evolve along with the industry it supports. If a lot of people love Stormzy and want to hear him then let it be and good luck to the guy. I hate the attitude that as you age you know best. Christ, listening to half the people on this MB is why I rarely tune in. I’d rather know what my 10 year old nephew is doing and thinks.

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Well put, Sir.

It’s a great post. I’ve never got into much rap either but it doesn’t mean it’s shite.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Strewth. The irony in this one post is astonishing.

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How so?

I doubt very much the tens of thousands having a great weekend at Glastonbury will be too concerned about the opinions of a few dinosaurs watching it at home. As one poster says earlier, you can just switch off of change the channel. No ones making you watch or listen.

Talking about Glastonbury, take a look at Lizzos performance yesterday. Dynamite :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

I doubt very much the tens of thousands having a great weekend at Glastonbury will be too concerned about the opinions of a few dinosaurs watching it at home. As one poster says earlier, you can just switch off of change the channel. No ones making you watch or listen.

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You’ve not answered my question.

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Originally Posted by Auntie Andy

Talking about Glastonbury, take a look at Lizzos performance today. Dynamite :thumbup:

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Should have read today :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

You’ve not answered my question.

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Who the **** put you in charge of the internet?

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

How so?

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If you can’t see it for yourself then you clearly don’t understand

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Who the **** put you in charge of the internet?

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Don’t be daft. I’m not in charge of the internet. It’s just that you made a claim about a post of mine and I’m asking you to elaborate. You don’t have to though if you don’t want to.

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Originally Posted by Auntie Andy

Talking about Glastonbury, take a look at Lizzos performance yesterday. Dynamite :thumbup:

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She knows how to put on a show. Had the audience in the palm of her hand.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

If you can’t see it for yourself then you clearly don’t understand

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That’s the easy way out you little tinker. Can you elaborate, or do you just go off on cursing tirades when it suits you?

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

That’s the easy way out you little tinker. Can you elaborate, or do you just go off on cursing tirades when it suits you?

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More irony

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

More irony

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Still not elaborated.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Still not elaborated.

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Don’t need to. It’s quite obvious to anyone who isn’t a bigoted dinosaur.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Don’t need to. It’s quite obvious to anyone who isn’t a bigoted dinosaur.

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You do reed to, as it appears you are talking out of your arse on this.

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Originally Posted by mazadona10

Who else is there to headline, the majority of people are music snobs ultimately the only measurable in music is the money.

We can all say someone is rubbish but nobody can tell us why

The cream will always rise to the top if someone hasn't made it they just weren't good enough.

For me Stormzy doesn't have the catalogue to do a massive show like this but the alternative is just bringing the same old names.

Glastonbury has changed a lot and some people don't like it. Live music isn't for me personally so I've never been a fan of it

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This was it for me.

I was there for his set on Friday and I couldn't believe the pandering I've seen on social media over the performance. He is clearly a talented artist and I'd love to see him on a smaller stage with a cracking atmosphere with his real fan base rather than what happened Friday.

I wouldn't be surprised if 30% of the crowd could name more than 3 of his tracks.

Can I change tack slightly as no-one has asked the question yet - is rap singing or speaking? IMO it’s clearly the latter, with the person speaking in time to a regular beat, hence sounding like a monotonous dirge to me. Usually the background beat is so loud it drowns out what the person is saying anyway, so somewhat defeating the object if hearing the lyrics is the key objective. Hence I can’t tell if there is some profound truth being spoken or some pretentious rubbish.