Updated: Isaac Vassell in - Bobby Reid out?

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

That's even worse.

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How is it worse?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

How is it worse?

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The poster I was responding to earlier appeared to argue that Vassell wasn't an unproven Championship player. I thought that he'd played 23 games and scored 1 solitary goal. You've now informed me that he's only played about 7-8 games worth of minutes in the division, which is far worse than I'd realised.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

The poster I was responding to earlier appeared to argue that Vassell wasn't an unproven Championship player. I thought that he'd played 23 games and scored 1 solitary goal. You've now informed me that he's only played about 7-8 games worth of minutes in the division, which is far worse than I'd realised.

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it bumps his goals to games ratio up though :sherlock:

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

The poster I was responding to earlier appeared to argue that Vassell wasn't an unproven Championship player. I thought that he'd played 23 games and scored 1 solitary goal. You've now informed me that he's only played about 7-8 games worth of minutes in the division, which is far worse than I'd realised.

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Yeah but we should buy him instead of a centre mid because we've only got Glatzel, Ward, Madine and Bogle competing for one position, while we've got Bacuna, Ralls and Vaulks for 2.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

The poster I was responding to earlier appeared to argue that Vassell wasn't an unproven Championship player. I thought that he'd played 23 games and scored 1 solitary goal. You've now informed me that he's only played about 7-8 games worth of minutes in the division, which is far worse than I'd realised.

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I would argue that it means he's unproven, especially given the disruption of his injuries.
If he had played 23 games and scored 1 goal then it would be fairly damning evidence that he wasn't up to it at this level.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

it bumps his goals to games ratio up though :sherlock:

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:hehe: True dat.

Where's Not Eddie May these days? He loved a good G2G ratio.

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Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68

It should take you to a review of the Pompey v Brum EFL game from last night, where it mentions Vassell wasn't in Brums line up last night because he is on his way to another club, which looks like being Cardiff City. The link works fine for me...

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Hats why I asked as that’s what normally happens and it goes via the app, but it didn’t for me so I did it myself.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Also Hoilett, while Etheridge and NML have kicked on no end.

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Warnock took NML and Etheridge from league 1 and made them Premier league players

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I would argue that it means he's unproven, especially given the disruption of his injuries.
If he had played 23 games and scored 1 goal then it would be fairly damning evidence that he wasn't up to it at this level.

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He's literally unproven. I'm not commenting on his ability, potential or being critical of him in any way. It's just a fact that he's unproven as he's not played anywhere near close to enough games in the division.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

He's literally unproven. I'm not commenting on his ability, potential or being critical of him in any way. It's just a fact that he's unproven as he's not played anywhere near close to enough games in the division.

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I'd agree he's unproven, but for me that's better than having been proven to be not good enough. Presumably our scouts have seen something in him they like

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I'd agree he's unproven, but for me that's better than having been proven to be not good enough. Presumably our scouts have seen something in him they like

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Warnock does do some strange things in the transfer market, been a pretty underwhelming pre season hasn't it

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Exactly the same as last season, planning ahead is not one of his strong points.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Agreed.

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Not sure if our scouts know what a striker is though :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Iour scouts have seen something in him they like

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by delmbox

our scouts

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I'd agree he's unproven, but for me that's better than having been proven to be not good enough.

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It just occurred to me that we shouldn't be in a position where we are looking at unproven or proven to not be good enough players at this level. We've just been relegated from the Premier League. If we can't attract/are not looking to sign proven Championship strikers as a bare minimum, then there's something seriously wrong at the club.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

It just occurred to me that we shouldn't be in a position where we are looking at unproven or proven to not be good enough players at this level. We've just been relegated from the Premier League. If we can't attract/are not looking to sign proven Championship strikers as a bare minimum, then there's something seriously wrong at the club.

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The club is obviously lowering its sights and is content to just be an also-ran in this division methinks.

Perhaps someone should tell the scouts that a striker is meant to score goals.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

The club is obviously lowering its sights and is content to just be an also-ran in this division methinks.

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Are you saying we are content to be also-rans two seasons in a row? I can see a pattern emerging here!

I'd struggle to see us making the play offs if this is the squad we are going with. We are desperate for 2 centre midfield players. Especially one who can pick a pass.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I'd struggle to see us making the play offs if this is the squad we are going with. We are desperate for 2 centre midfield players. Especially one who can pick a pass.

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We're now one injury away from a real issue and 2 injuries away from a crisis. It is ridiculous.

101 replies to an Isaac Vassell thread... hope he doesn't come across this :hehe::facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

101 replies to an Isaac Vassell thread... hope he doesn't come across this :hehe::facepalm:

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It's good to be talking about football, though.

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

I really just don't understand why Tan & Co can't grow a pair of bollocks and open the chequebook whilst we can? Or is it that they are anticipating some sort of embargo in the future and now won't spend much?

Show some ambition and players will come. I'm not being funny, Vaulks might turn out to be a gem, but he and Flint are hardly saying to the other teams in the league and potential targets "look at us, we mean business". They're just really safe signings.

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I've got no issue with the money we're spending. I don't want to be a team who risks it's existence for premier league dream, my issue is that there doesn't appear to be a great deal of method to what we do.

The season we went up we were crying out for pace and Warnock acted accordingly in the window and the the signing of Mendez-Laing added to Junior Hoilett to finally give us threat out wide.

Bamba and Paterson came in and did well and though we were a bit unbalanced yet we gained promotion (over achieving imo).

Since then I haven't really got a clue what our strategy has been. Warnock claimed that Murphy was his is number one target and then signed Bobby Reid and I hoped we were looking at building something. He spends last season calling these two out after most games when most of the time I couldn't see how they were to blame.

Cunningham was a bizarre signing, Arter was underwhelming and I'm convinced (though I have no proof) that Camarasa was a huge stroke of luck.

Dalman stated at the end of the season that we had been under prepared for recruitment in the premier league and one year on we appear to be under prepared again when we're a relatively big fish in a smaller pond. (Compared to last year anyway)

You think we'd be able to attract some real quality to apply their trade here, however we don't seem to be able to attract much in terms of quality.

Bristol just signed some kid from Monaco and though we don't know how that will work out I'd love to think that we could bring in kids like that.

Swansea have spent all summer restructuring behind the scenes whereas we still have the same tired looking duo of Choo and Dalman. I'm not questioning their dedication or work rate but more their football understanding and nous of a niche industry.

It's frustrating that we don't seem to make any effort to keep up with the initiative's of the most forward thinking clubs.

Teams like Norwich, Bournemouth and I believe Brighton are going the same way employing Dan Ashworth who was instrumental in taking Potter from the Jacks are giving us a blueprint of how a modern medium club can be successful and grow yet we are relying on one man (as good as he's been) who says he is 100% retiring at the end of the season to be our saviour.

I find the whole short term strategy bizarre and misguided but time will tell I guess.

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

I've got no issue with the money we're spending. I don't want to be a team who risks it's existence for premier league dream, my issue is that there doesn't appear to be a great deal of method to what we do.

The season we went up we were crying out for pace and Warnock acted accordingly in the window and the the signing of Mendez-Laing added to Junior Hoilett to finally give us threat out wide.

Bamba and Paterson came in and did well and though we were a bit unbalanced yet we gained promotion (over achieving imo).

Since then I haven't really got a clue what our strategy has been. Warnock claimed that Murphy was his is number one target and then signed Bobby Reid and I hoped we were looking at building something. He spends last season calling these two out after most games when most of the time I couldn't see how they were to blame.

Cunningham was a bizarre signing, Arter was underwhelming and I'm convinced (though I have no proof) that Camarasa was a huge stroke of luck.

Dalman stated at the end of the season that we had been under prepared for recruitment in the premier league and one year on we appear to be under prepared again when we're a relatively big fish in a smaller pond. (Compared to last year anyway)

You think we'd be able to attract some real quality to apply their trade here, however we don't seem to be able to attract much in terms of quality.

Bristol just signed some kid from Monaco and though we don't know how that will work out I'd love to think that we could bring in kids like that.

Swansea have spent all summer restructuring behind the scenes whereas we still have the same tired looking duo of Choo and Dalman. I'm not questioning their dedication or work rate but more their football understanding and nous of a niche industry.

It's frustrating that we don't seem to make any effort to keep up with the initiative's of the most forward thinking clubs.

Teams like Norwich, Bournemouth and I believe Brighton are going the same way employing Dan Ashworth who was instrumental in taking Potter from the Jacks are giving us a blueprint of how a modern medium club can be successful and grow yet we are relying on one man (as good as he's been) who says he is 100% retiring at the end of the season to be our saviour.

I find the whole short term strategy bizarre and misguided but time will tell I guess.

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And with Neil Warnock choosing his successor we could end up with Russell Slade in charge!!

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

And with Neil Warnock choosing his successor we could end up with Russell Slade in charge!!

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Or give Blackie and Jeppo a go

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

I find the whole short term strategy bizarre and misguided but time will tell I guess.

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Glatzel could be a very good signing but God I hope we don't have any injuries or suspensions in centre mid before January.:hehe:

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

Or give Blackie and Jeppo a go

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It's going to be those two, I just know it. I've listened to a lot of Parkin's podcast and nobody has a good word to say about Blackwell as a number one. All of them say how much they despise him as manager, which bodes well.

Really feel we need some new blood. Things have become very flat. Let's hope will feel a little more optimistic come Saturday evening.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

We're now one injury away from a real issue and 2 injuries away from a crisis. It is ridiculous.

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We must really rate Aaron Bolger. That's all I can think of.

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

Or give Blackie and Jeppo a go

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I think I’d prefer Slade? Oh who am I kidding? :hehe:

Vassell - 1 goal in 23 games from Brum

Bogle - 1 goal in 26 minutes for us this season

I know who I prefer

(I know I'm choosing my stats with abandon but the Brexit lot started it...)

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

It's going to be those two, I just know it. I've listened to a lot of Parkin's podcast and nobody has a good word to say about Blackwell as a number one. All of them say how much they despise him as manager, which bodes well.

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Like someone alluded to in another thread Warnocks tenure could well be looked back on in 10 years as a paradox of 100% blessing 100% curse.
Blessing that he saved our club from the abyss but curse in that we were unable to adapt as a result of his perceived success

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

I think I’d prefer Slade? Oh who am I kidding? :hehe:

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I'd prefer Dean Saunders to Slade! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

Like someone alluded to in another thread Warnocks tenure could well be looked back on in 10 years as a paradox of 100% blessing 100% curse.
Blessing that he saved our club from the abyss but curse in that we were unable to adapt as a result of his perceived success

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I think we could very well be back to square 1 and come full circle come Xmas.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

I reckon he could be ok. Warnock has a habit of resurrecting players careers. Perhaps.......

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Saido Berahino is now a free agent after being released by Stoke (who have brought in Scott Hogan on a season loan from Villa, by the way). Getting a tune out of Berahino would surely be one of Warnock's greatest resurrections.

the way we've approached this summer has been shocking. you'd think we were an unfavoured promotion from league 1 and we're trying to scrape together a side capable of survival.

Vassell might have been the player having the prolonged medical and failed the ****er. Who knows

Wales Online now quoting the Sun saying Bobby Reid will be allowed to leave if Vassell arrives!

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-live-16711580

That is the Bobby De Cordova Reid that we should be building the team around.

I won't believe it unless Michelle Owen tells me it's true!

Alan Nixon reporting the same (probably where Wales Online got it from): https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/s...72594186293250

Would a Reid exit increase the chances of Tomlin staying? I hope it would.