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Trigger
Good to see a few more level headed posters still about. Was beginning to worry.
The panic has already set in, negativity is everywhere. I'm sorry but the state this board would be in at the beginning of a rebuild by the next manager won't be pretty. I fail to see how most will have the patience as it won't be happening overnight.
Reminds me of the Trollope situation, guy tried to bring in a new philosophy, signed some Welsh players, tried a similar 3 at the back system to the success Wales were having. Sounds almost perfect for our fans.
Fans quickly decided he wasnt up to it and off he went. Neil comes in to save us.
We all want nice football but you also need success, I'm guessing we will go through a few managers before getting lucky.
Trollope was doing a Durban
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Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.
totally agree that we should not have indulged NW for one more season. We should have gone for young up and coming manager as you suggest.
It would be the Cowley brothers for me.
The club missed a great opportunity in the summer and i fear it has set us back years.
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I said a few weeks ago that I hope Warnock's last season doesn't go the same way as Brian Clough's. There was a great manager winding down who ended up taking the club with him. Frank Clark commented years after that the club was in a total mess when he took over. Nobody could ever criticise Cloughie for his achievements but he stayed on longer than he should.
I'm hoping something similar doesn't happen with us.
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Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.
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Eric the Half a Bee
I said a few weeks ago that I hope Warnock's last season doesn't go the same way as Brian Clough's. There was a great manager winding down who ended up taking the club with him. Frank Clark commented years after that the club was in a total mess when he took over. Nobody could ever criticise Cloughie for his achievements but he stayed on longer than he should.
I'm hoping something similar doesn't happen with us.
I don't care how his career ends,and you can bet your ass he doesn't care about you. I care about CCFC. Ok! he took us up and we did as the pundits expected went straight back down....yes! i know we kept 10 clean sheets that you keep reminding us about but it didn't help we were rubbish for most matches and the quality hasn't improved.Time to move on and let warnock enjoy his pension.
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There is always a level of hysteria when we get knocked out of a cup competition by 'inferior' opposition. However, before we start sharpening the knives for NW, let's wait until we have a fit again Etheridge, Pack, Bamba and NML in the team, which could easily kick start our season and rejuvenate the side.
Yes I do understand why some wish that NW had been replaced at the start of the season but many are now jumping on the bandwagon because we've had a less than auspicious start to the season. Incidentally, I certainly wouldn't advocate a Michael Flynn or Cowley stepping into his shoes. We can do much better than that.
In a perfect world we would at least finish in the play-offs or better, sign a top quality manager for next season and guarantee that the football played will be a joy to behold. But we don't live in a perfect world and should be forever grateful that we are not a Bury or Bolton fan.
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Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.
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the other bob wilson
I think a few of us who were there last night would probably feel that is about a month too long :hehe:.
Maybe it should be "Give the transfer committee until the Hull game ". Perhaps if Warnock had people with a rudimentary knowledge of player recruitment we would still be in the Premier League, albeit hanging on by our fingernails...
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Moodybluebird
There is always a level of hysteria when we get knocked out of a cup competition by 'inferior' opposition. However, before we start sharpening the knives for NW, let's wait until we have a fit again Etheridge, Pack, Bamba and NML in the team, which could easily kick start our season and rejuvenate the side.
Yes I do understand why some wish that NW had been replaced at the start of the season but many are now jumping on the bandwagon because we've had a less than auspicious start to the season. Incidentally, I certainly wouldn't advocate a Michael Flynn or Cowley stepping into his shoes. We can do much better than that.
In a perfect world we would at least finish in the play-offs or better, sign a top quality manager for next season and guarantee that the football played will be a joy to behold. But we don't live in a perfect world and should be forever grateful that we are not a Bury or Bolton fan.
Why do less fortunate events always have to be brought in to police the mood?
Why can’t I be sad for them and want more for us at the same time?
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Pedro de la Rosa
Sol Bamber :hehe:
You're trying so hard to sound intellectual, while also trying really hard to dumb it down. Also, what you've written is absolute drivel.
Sol Bamber. Jesus Christ.
No, I'm not trying to sound intellectual son. I probably am an intellectual if it interests you, but I don't think a football forum is the right place to excersise that is it ? Especially since I'm not getting paid for it.
Your post ,by the way, is ****ing meaningless since you don't make any point but merely stick in a bit of abuse followed with a quick flash of blasphemy. Who's that supposed to convince ?
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NYCBlue
WTF have Burnley got to do with us? This whole "Burnley Model" thing is ****ing nonsense. They got promoted, they got relegated, they got promoted again. It happens.
Yeah, okay. These things are all just random events controlled by chance. Forgive me for being stupid.
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the other bob wilson
And yet more waffle full of stuff about what I was implying when I simply asked who had gone to the game - also, I know "project" is a bit of a buzzword these days, but do you really think our 71 in December manager, who often talks about how you can only be about the here and now when your the age he is, is really thinking in terms of "projects"?
Yes of course he is for ****s sake. That's why they're paying him all that money and that's why he's re organised the whole club top to bottom , on and off the field . He's around the same age as Churchill was when he was ordering the bombing of Dresden, and if you buy the " confused old chap who's taking it one day at a time on a totally linear basis " act, you're very wrong.
He's got the mind of a very competent General.
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RonnieBird
Yes of course he is for ****s sake. That's why they're paying him all that money and that's why he's re organised the whole club top to bottom , on and off the field . He's around the same age as Churchill was when he was ordering the bombing of Dresden, and if you buy the " confused old chap who's taking it one day at a time on a totally linear basis " act, you're very wrong.
He's got the mind of a very competent General.
How’s the transfer committee?
How’s the youth academy he’s sorted out for us?
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Dembe, not trying to police the mood, just giving the thread a bit of perspective.
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Moodybluebird
Dembe, not trying to police the mood, just giving the thread a bit of perspective.
But why do we need it? Genuine question mate.
We are in a different situation, their situations do not have anything to do with ours.
Not meaning to sound so abrupt, it’s hard with txt not to sometimes.
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RonnieBird
Yeah, okay. These things are all just random events controlled by chance. Forgive me for being stupid.
I could forgive you if you occasionally talked some sense. But the bullshit is relentless.
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RonnieBird
Yes of course he is for ****s sake. That's why they're paying him all that money and that's why he's re organised the whole club top to bottom , on and off the field . He's around the same age as Churchill was when he was ordering the bombing of Dresden, and if you buy the " confused old chap who's taking it one day at a time on a totally linear basis " act, you're very wrong.
He's got the mind of a very competent General.
A war crime.
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RonnieBird
No, I'm not trying to sound intellectual son. I probably am an intellectual if it interests you, but I don't think a football forum is the right place to excersise that is it ? Especially since I'm not getting paid for it.
Your post ,by the way, is ****ing meaningless since you don't make any point but merely stick in a bit of abuse followed with a quick flash of blasphemy. Who's that supposed to convince ?
Sol Bamber maybe
Whoever the fack he is.
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Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.
Don't people usually say you need to see 10 league games before knowing what sort of season the club is having? We're a bit early still on that.
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surge
Don't people usually say you need to see 10 league games before knowing what sort of season the club is having? We're a bit early still on that.
Even and round numbers are so appealing. In fact, I should be completing 10,000 steps rather than sitting here typing....
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Sol Bamber maybe
Whoever the fack he is.
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:hehe: :thumbup:
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Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.
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RonnieBird
Yes of course he is for ****s sake. That's why they're paying him all that money and that's why he's re organised the whole club top to bottom , on and off the field . He's around the same age as Churchill was when he was ordering the bombing of Dresden, and if you buy the " confused old chap who's taking it one day at a time on a totally linear basis " act, you're very wrong.
He's got the mind of a very competent General.
So, how does a back four that will consist of three thirty plus year olds and a twenty nine year old, backed up by a thirty five year old, come the end of the season fit in with the "project"? Neil Warnock is all about the here and now and I can understand that from his perspective at this stage of his career.
I'm no intellectual, but I would have thought that if someone has to resort to.telling people they are one, it probably means they aren't.
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dembethewarrior
How’s the transfer committee?
How’s the youth academy he’s sorted out for us?
Hello, hello?
How’s this top to bottom re organisation? The academy? Hello?
You can’t just say it and it miraculously becomes true mate.
Stop talking out your arse.
Yes, he’s brought the fans together and brought an almost immediate good feeling from the cleaners to the piss heads travelling the country watching the team, but he hasn’t re organised **** all top to bottom.
I don’t see us having a great deal of a squad once he goes either to be quite frank.
Being successful with us is all well and good, but you have to leave something as well, a legacy or a squad of hungry players. I don’t think he will manage that tbh. And that’s not a dig at man that stopped the slump and promoted us ether, it’s a realistic opinion.
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the other bob wilson
So, how does a back four that will consist of three thirty plus year olds and a twenty nine year old, backed up by a thirty five year old, come the end of the season fit in with the "project"? Neil Warnock is all about the here and now and I can understand that from his perspective at this stage of his career.
I'm no intellectual, but I would have thought that if someone has to resort to.telling people they are one, it probably means they aren't.
To answer your question with another one: if we get rid of Warnock now and bring in say an Ajax youth coach or manager from La Liga then what on earth are they going to do with the defenders you've listed? We'd be trying out a new style mid-season and likely with players not up to it. I am not fan of spending £6million on Flint when it seems such an expensive and short-term move, but I think it would be doubling down on a mistake to ask Warnock to leave without a fully thought out plan of what happens next, potentially giving what is clearly a hardcore Warnock defence to a more "progressive" manager for the rest of the season.
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surge
To answer your question with another one: if we get rid of Warnock now and bring in say an Ajax youth coach or manager from La Liga then what on earth are they going to do with the defenders you've listed? We'd be trying out a new style mid-season and likely with players not up to it. I am not fan of spending £6million on Flint when it seems such an expensive and short-term move, but I think it would be doubling down on a mistake to ask Warnock to leave without a fully thought out plan of what happens next, potentially giving what is clearly a hardcore Warnock defence to a more "progressive" manager for the rest of the season.
In addition, the best thing Warnock has done is to reunite the club and create such a buzz. As fans, if things do not improve, then we're going to potentially have to lie to ourselves to keep that going while crossing our fingers that behind the scenes they're working on a plan of what happens next.
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surge
I think it would be doubling down on a mistake to ask Warnock to leave without a fully thought out plan of what happens next.
The board have had a year or more to come up with a plan considering Warnock was potentially going to finish at the end of last season.
The idea that this would be a rushed thing just makes the board look inept.
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Trigger
The panic on this forum would suggest a relegation battle.
If we got rid of Warnock we should hire him a week later on a short term contract as there wouldn't be any better for that.
😂😂
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So if you win on Friday night you will move into a play off position. Oh and it’s still August. Not much loyalty to Warnock on here right now.
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Re: Give Warnock until the Hull game.
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the other bob wilson
So, how does a back four that will consist of three thirty plus year olds and a twenty nine year old, backed up by a thirty five year old, come the end of the season fit in with the "project"? Neil Warnock is all about the here and now and I can understand that from his perspective at this stage of his career.
I'm no intellectual, but I would have thought that if someone has to resort to.telling people they are one, it probably means they aren't.
What's the logic there then. I didn't raise the matter of course, but that's by the way.
Let's examine your statement since you're interested in intellectual thought.
1. Why would I be " resorting " to anything, ( what am I trying to achieve).
2. If Picasso had told someone that he was an artist we would, by your logic , conclude that he probably wasn't. Would that conclusion be sound ?
Let me give you a more logical construction regarding what you can deduce from a message board posting - If a man draws conclusions on some gut feeling, tinged with personal animosity about a matter which he has insufficient information to work with, then the conclusions he has reached are very unlikely to be correct. Can you see how that works ?
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dembethewarrior
Hello, hello?
How’s this top to bottom re organisation? The academy? Hello?
You can’t just say it and it miraculously becomes true mate.
Stop talking out your arse.
Yes, he’s brought the fans together and brought an almost immediate good feeling from the cleaners to the piss heads travelling the country watching the team, but he hasn’t re organised **** all top to bottom.
I don’t see us having a great deal of a squad once he goes either to be quite frank.
Being successful with us is all well and good, but you have to leave something as well, a legacy or a squad of hungry players. I don’t think he will manage that tbh. And that’s not a dig at man that stopped the slump and promoted us ether, it’s a realistic opinion.
Hellloooooo
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RonnieBird
What's the logic there then. I didn't raise the matter of course, but that's by the way.
Let's examine your statement since you're interested in intellectual thought.
1. Why would I be " resorting " to anything, ( what am I trying to achieve).
2. If Picasso had told someone that he was an artist we would, by your logic , conclude that he probably wasn't. Would that conclusion be sound ?
Let me give you a more logical construction regarding what you can deduce from a message board posting - If a man draws conclusions on some gut feeling, tinged with personal animosity about a matter which he has insufficient information to work with, then the conclusions he has reached are very unlikely to be correct. Can you see how that works ?
**** off Barnett. Every one of your guises get even more boring than the last. Get a ****ing girlfriend or something
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Pearcey3
So if you win on Friday night you will move into a play off position. Oh and it’s still August. Not much loyalty to Warnock on here right now.
I’m not disloyal for pointing out I don’t believe it will work out for us this season.
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thehumblegringo
**** off Barnett. Every one of your guises get even more boring than the last. Get a ****ing girlfriend or something
Does this mean I share my surname with an intellectual? Good lord.
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Pearcey3
So if you win on Friday night you will move into a play off position. Oh and it’s still August.
Never mind all that Pearcey. We’re far more interested in the manager’s blueprints and legacy these days don’t you know.
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thehumblegringo
**** off Barnett. Every one of your guises get even more boring than the last. Get a ****ing girlfriend or something
Might be a bit difficult that one? Hes got a head like Rocky Dennis.
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If he won that game against Fulham and eventually kept us up, he would be given freedom of the city.
Funny how quickly people turn
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Why is it these trolls can write and write, but you challenge them one one part of their post, a simple basic point, and they avoid answering like the plague?
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J R Hartley
Might be a bit difficult that one? Hes got a head like Rocky Dennis.
:hehe:
I was in college with lad who was nicknamed Rocky Dennis :hehe:
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WJ99mobile
If he won that game against Fulham and eventually kept us up, he would be given freedom of the city.
Funny how quickly people turn
Loads complained about the football in the promotion season
Loads did it in the PL
Loads would have still done it if we stayed up...
But as we’re now down in a lower division with a better squad, is it too much to have a little ambition and then question it when you don’t see that ambition and challenge from the team and manager?
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WJ99mobile
If he won that game against Fulham and eventually kept us up, he would be given freedom of the city.
Funny how quickly people turn
That Fulham game where he sent on Rhys Healey as our saviour? In the Premier League? That Fulham game?