Johnson seeks to prorogue Parliament.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

It's almost like they are trying to avoid it because it tells a different story to the one they dreamed up in their heads, can't be that though, must be busy.

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Another night to sleep on it, yet still no comment - you don't think they've all just missed it do you?

Here's the link again, just in case they did.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCS_FvNXoAERVWs.png

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Originally Posted by lardy

WB, RB and Lom always look out for each other. I'm going to start calling them The Squad.

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I didn't marry my sister, nor do I enter countries illegally, and I'm not a homewrecker who is having an affair with a campaign worker, while paying them loads of money. Please think of a new name, may I suggest the Invincibles?

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

To be frank Heisenberg - and I told you this once- I'm not going to bother trying to discuss stuff with you because you've got a nasty little mouth on you and in any case you can't learn anything from me or anyone else because you think you already know everything.

Yeah, I would have explained the 2nd amendment and my views upon it because at the time I thought you had an intelligent interest in the matter, but then you had one or two outbursts of adolescent abuse and so I'm not going to waste my time - I'm not your special needs teacher or your probation officer .

I'm not sure whether LOM was defending me as such , rather than commenting on the loutish jibbering which some people come out with instead of conversation. In any case , my views and conclusions don't need to be defended against judgement by you because I'm perfectly entitled to hold them whether or not you approve and the purpose of setting them out would be discussion , not to seek vindication or permission from you to disagree .

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That's a long winded way of saying that you couldn't answer my questions.

You do realise that it was two weeks after those posts that you took offence to something that I said to you, don't you?

Also, you were overly offended by a post that was aimed at you which was ageist, in response to the dozen-or-so posts that you made which were also ageist. This makes you a hypocrite with a complete lack of self-awareness.

It's for reasons like these that you're treated as a joke on here. I enjoy the punchline every time, so please stick around.

Okay, you think what you want

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Originally Posted by Auntie Andy

Tory’s are a bunch of lying dictators. Summed up perfectly here.

https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1167528494303252480?s=21

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDXiqDDW4AARFuN?format=jpg

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

I think it adds to the debate. Our no deal enthusiasts don't appear to be so interested though.

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please include the opposition in that ( no deal enthusiasts ) as one can clearly see they will never vote for any type of agreed deal made by this government .

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDXiqDDW4AARFuN?format=jpg

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if you google Boris and Nazis you get

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""SADIQ Khan has branded Donald Trump and Boris Johnson extreme "far right" leaders in a blistering rant that seems to liken them to the NAZIS

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Originally Posted by life on mars

if you google Boris and Nazis you get

About 19,400,000 results (0.46 seconds)
Showing results for boris and nazis


""SADIQ Khan has branded Donald Trump and Boris Johnson extreme "far right" leaders in a blistering rant that seems to liken them to the NAZIS

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Not quite as daft as blaming the opposition for all the problems with Brexit.

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

Not quite as daft as blaming the opposition for all the problems with Brexit.

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What will they agree too then , I will drop Boris a note .

PLEASE can you spell it out for me as I honesty dont get their position , haven't done for two years now other than trying to get an election ,endless time wasting amendments votes of confidence,unity governments ,what does all that achieve ,they voted for article 50 FFS ??

Both parties know the deal is the deal , as written in the withdrawal agreement ( and repeatedly stated by the EEC )

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDXiqDDW4AARFuN?format=jpg

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" everyone I don't like is a Nazi "

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Originally Posted by life on mars

What will they agree too then , I will drop Boris a note .

PLEASE can you spell it out for me as I honesty dont get their position , haven't done for two years now other than trying to get an election ,endless time wasting amendments votes of confidence,unity governments ,what does all that achieve ,they voted for article 50 FFS ??

Both parties know the deal is the deal , as written in the withdrawal agreement ( and repeatedly stated by the EEC )

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The deal was not the only deal available. It was the only deal available with May's red lines.

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

To be frank Heisenberg - and I told you this once- I'm not going to bother trying to discuss stuff with you because you've got a nasty little mouth on you and in any case you can't learn anything from me or anyone else because you think you already know everything.

Yeah, I would have explained the 2nd amendment and my views upon it because at the time I thought you had an intelligent interest in the matter, but then you had one or two outbursts of adolescent abuse and so I'm not going to waste my time - I'm not your special needs teacher or your probation officer .

I'm not sure whether LOM was defending me as such , rather than commenting on the loutish jibbering which some people come out with instead of conversation. In any case , my views and conclusions don't need to be defended against judgement by you because I'm perfectly entitled to hold them whether or not you approve and the purpose of setting them out would be discussion , not to seek vindication or permission from you to disagree .

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Clever people stopped making children with SEND the punchline to their jokes and insults a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Another night to sleep on it, yet still no comment - you don't think they've all just missed it do you?

Here's the link again, just in case they did.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCS_FvNXoAERVWs.png

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I think it must be invisible because they are here arguing the toss over everything else.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

I think it must be invisible because they are here arguing the toss over everything else.

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One thing I'm pretty sure about is that the lack or replies can't be down to them not being able to think of a response proving that all people voting Leave wanted a no deal Brexit because, as they know everything about everything, they must have plenty of them at their fingertips.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

One thing I'm pretty sure about is that the lack or replies can't be down to them not being able to think of a response proving that all people voting Leave wanted a no deal Brexit because, as they know everything about everything, they must have plenty of them at their fingertips.

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I just can't fathom it, totally out of character to just ignore things that disprove their world view.

This is what people were told when they voted leave.

We won't start article 50 until we have a plan. We'll be able to trade freely with Europe. We'll remain in the free trade zone. We can choose whatever path we want.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am just re-reading the <a href="https://twitter.com/michaelgove?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaelgove</a> Brexit speech of April 2016.<br><br>It is simply breathtaking.<br><br>If there is a single speech, in all of British political history, that has aged this badly I would love to see it.<br><br>It is pure, pure bollocks. <a href="https://t.co/ww4rGOa0ZM">pic.twitter.com/ww4rGOa0ZM</a></p>&mdash; Tom Peck (@tompeck) <a href="https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1168479741491462144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No deal was never part of the plan.

Today's developments have made it pretty clear I think. The government are gagging for an election but need to lay groundwork that justifys calling it to brexiteers. Expect a lot of 'the remainers frustrated the negotiations' as we twist and turn our way to a GE that sees us miss the 31st deadline.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Today's developments have made it pretty clear I think. The government are gagging for an election but need to lay groundwork that justifys calling it to brexiteers. Expect a lot of 'the remainers frustrated the negotiations' as we twist and turn our way to a GE that sees us miss the 31st deadline.

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Yes, the strategy is clear. Do whatever is possible to get those ukip/brexit party voters back in the Tory fold.

Basically it's the last five dreadful years all over again, but this time it's shit or bust.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Yes, the strategy is clear. Do whatever is possible to get those ukip/brexit party voters back in the Tory fold.

Basically it's the last five dreadful years all over again, but this time it's shit or bust.

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The crazy thing is that Johnson's cabal are banking on Corbyn falling into this trap and it shows every sign that he is stupid enough to fall for it.

I wouldn't underestimate how effective the war strategists behind Johnson are. A combination of out Brexiting the Brexit party on the EU and out promising the Labour Party on spending on the very institutions that the people making the promises starved for almost a decade has a good chance of succeeding. They think the opposition is more fractured than they are.

Still, it is a pretty high risk strategy. They could lose Davidson's foothold in Scotland, see weaker NI support, have deselected Tory MPs with a strong personal brand fighting against their replacements and see massive tactical voting, particularly in Tory seats with a strong remain constituency.

It would not surprise that Johnson will be equally as clueless managing any victory as he was after the referendum.

This week may be the culmination of the Siege of Westminster
A defeated force has barricaded itself in at PW for three years , refusing to accept the outcome and trying every last desperate tactic to hang on to power against the will of the people.
Like all sieges it must eventually come to an end, either in a bloody finale or by the besieged faction walking away quietly.

Who knows the outcome ? I really don't think anyone can be certain, but there must now be a battle and an outcome achieved. Napoleon said that the General who merely waits behind his defences , however strong, is already defeated, and this has generally proven true, so we may take something from that.

It will be a great thing if this horrible situation can finally be resolved over the next week, but we cannot be certain.

The difference is that one side can win a final victory, whilst the other can only hope to prolong the stalemate for a bit longer.
Either way, we must move forward at this stage to force a resolution of the siege if not the war.

It's at least 50/50 that the bitter clingers to the EU can be finally overcome this week, and that's a chance which must be taken at this stage, otherwise they'll block all other human activity in the country and sap the substance from the people with their perpetual negative blocking of the vote which was decided three years ago.

If they can rally to halt progress one last time, then at least it's shifted on to the open field and they won't be able to hide any longer behind parliamentary rules which were never intended to frustrate the will of the people or harm the country.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

The crazy thing is that Johnson's cabal are banking on Corbyn falling into this trap and it shows every sign that he is stupid enough to fall for it.

I wouldn't underestimate how effective the war strategists behind Johnson are. A combination of out Brexiting the Brexit party on the EU and out promising the Labour Party on spending on the very institutions that the people making the promises starved for almost a decade has a good chance of succeeding. They think the opposition is more fractured than they are.

Still, it is a pretty high risk strategy. They could lose Davidson's foothold in Scotland, see weaker NI support, have deselected Tory MPs with a strong personal brand fighting against their replacements and see massive tactical voting, particularly in Tory seats with a strong remain constituency.

It would not surprise that Johnson will be equally as clueless managing any victory as he was after the referendum.

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What are labours options here? Sit on their hands and play chicken with Boris or take the bait and just hope they can get the kind of bounce they got during the last election campaign. If they can make Johnson break his promise of leaving on 31/10 then they have gone a long way to nullifying him (Labour would be better off spending their campaign budget trying to convince leavers to vote brexit party).

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

What are labours options here? Sit on their hands and play chicken with Boris or take the bait and just hope they can get the kind of bounce they got during the last election campaign. If they can make Johnson break his promise of leaving on 31/10 then they have gone a long way to nullifying him (Labour would be better off spending their campaign budget trying to convince leavers to vote brexit party).

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I would assess what Johnson's least preferred outcome is and work towards that. Making bold statements that you want an election before 31st October just helps to box yourself in when there is no need when you should be keeping your opponent guessing until they have to show their hand.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I would assess what Johnson's least preferred outcome is and work towards that. Making bold statements that you want an election before 31st October just helps to box yourself in when there is no need when you should be keeping your opponent guessing until they have to show their hand.

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Only a fool would trust Johnson. The games not over till it's over!

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Only a fool would trust Johnson. The games not over till it's over!

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I’m glad to be in agreement with you Wales Bales re trusting ‘bojo’

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Today's developments have made it pretty clear I think. The government are gagging for an election but need to lay groundwork that justifys calling it to brexiteers. Expect a lot of 'the remainers frustrated the negotiations' as we twist and turn our way to a GE that sees us miss the 31st deadline.

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How things change , Corbyn was calling for an election over and over gain , before Boris appeared.

I always thought if he had reluctantly backed the May deal , he woudl have been seen as conciliatory and seeking unity and may wel have won the next election , he doesn't seem to fancy an election these days does he ??

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

I’m glad to be in agreement with you Wales Bales re trusting ‘bojo’

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No one trusts the loon or the other loon

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

What are labours options here? Sit on their hands and play chicken with Boris or take the bait and just hope they can get the kind of bounce they got during the last election campaign. If they can make Johnson break his promise of leaving on 31/10 then they have gone a long way to nullifying him (Labour would be better off spending their campaign budget trying to convince leavers to vote brexit party).

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Awfully dangerous if the Brexit party creates a Tory /DUP alliance , cant see Labour getting a majority .

The SNP would become very 'voter vulnerable' If they get into bed with Labour .

Liberals are anti JC and looking for more Chuka moderate Labour MP's to move over .

Greens will side with Liberals .

Ohhh such fun

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Originally Posted by life on mars

No one trusts the loon or the other loon

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I thought you’d be along to do your they’re both as equally responsible thing and you haven’t disappointed.

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

I thought you’d be along to do your they’re both as equally responsible thing and you haven’t disappointed.

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Why should I change my opinion, it is one I and many others have held since 2016.

People have become very disillusioned .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Why should I change my opinion, it is one I and many others have held since 2016.

People have become very disillusioned .

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I’ve held the same. It was bloody unnecessary and it will go on for years. Even when I think no deal sadly occurs it’s the start of the wrangling and not the end.

For what eh? What a ****ing farce

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Originally Posted by life on mars

How things change , Corbyn was calling for an election over and over gain , before Boris appeared.

I always thought if he had reluctantly backed the May deal , he woudl have been seen as conciliatory and seeking unity and may wel have won the next election , he doesn't seem to fancy an election these days does he ??

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Doesn't he?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Awfully dangerous if the Brexit party creates a Tory /DUP alliance , cant see Labour getting a majority .

The SNP would become very 'voter vulnerable' If they get into bed with Labour .

Liberals are anti JC and looking for more Chuka moderate Labour MP's to move over .

Greens will side with Liberals .

Ohhh such fun

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SNP aren't vulnerable at all.

Can Boris actually run in his own seat or do they need to airlift him to safety?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

How things change , Corbyn was calling for an election over and over gain , before Boris appeared.

I always thought if he had reluctantly backed the May deal , he woudl have been seen as conciliatory and seeking unity and may wel have won the next election , he doesn't seem to fancy an election these days does he ??

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49552403

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Originally Posted by City123

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49552403

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Sadly Labour voters will desert him.

He had to reply to today' s Boris press conference,
or he would look weak , he wont want an election now, it wont go well for labour or him personally .

He needs to do the right thing for tye party and step aside, as he 's tarnished goods , and let a Kier Starmer type have a go at the Boris loon, the policies could still be the driver for thier manifesto with some changes applied.

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Originally Posted by City123

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49552403

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He might fancy one.

A lot of his party don't

Looking at interviews with a Labour MP and a shadow cabinet member on Newsnight, Labour are saying they'll vote for a general election if the Tories abandon a no deal Brexit. I hope that is their policy even if they will face charges of running scared after seeking an election for so long.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Looking at interviews with a Labour MP and a shadow cabinet member on Newsnight, Labour are saying they'll vote for a general election if the Tories abandon a no deal Brexit. I hope that is their policy even if they will face charges of running scared after seeking an election for so long.

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So Boris agrees, Parliament is dissolved and the Conservstives promptly say in their manifesto that if they can't get a deal they will leave without one!!

They can say what they like in their manifesto as long as any election is delayed until after 31 October as it should be. It's ridiculous that we keep getting told how this is the biggest peace time crisis this country has seen in decades or even a century and yet they've all been off on holiday for the last six weeks, will be off to the seaside for the party conferences for most of the next month and now we might have an election on top of that - you honestly couldn't make it up!

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

They can say what they like in their manifesto as long as any election is delayed until after 31 October as it should be. It's ridiculous that we keep getting told how this is the biggest peace time crisis this country has seen in decades or even a century and yet they've all been off on holiday for the last six weeks, will be off to the seaside for the party conferences for most of the next month and now we might have an election on top of that - you honestly couldn't make it up!

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Boris has stated that he won't request an extension from the EU under any circumstances.

Maybe the opposition should attempt to pass the "block no deal legislation", deny him the election he will request and get the popcorn out and see what happens next.

He may have painted himself into a bit of a corner.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s <a href="https://twitter.com/DrPhillipLeeMP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DrPhillipLeeM P</a> going to sit with the Lib Dems. Govt no longer has a working majority <a href="https://t.co/Vv9HBvF36s">pic.twitter.com/Vv9HBvF36s</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Kraemer (@dcakraemer) <a href="https://twitter.com/dcakraemer/status/1168897384706924547?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>