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I thought to myself he's going to reply like you've done when I read my message back and debated whether to change it, but decided I couldn't be arsed - you know exactly what I mean, you would have been having a go at anyone who said what you did about Zohore if he was still with the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
I don't have a problem with Neil Warnock setting the team up to be defensively solid and play counterattacking football. The problem is that we aren't particularly good at it.
We look okay when the opposition pass the ball around in front of us, but as soon as they attack with any urgency we get carved wide open. I don't think it's a coincidence that we've been in front for so little time this season. Even Huddersfield could have scored twice against us after we retook the lead in stoppage time. We're also prone to lapses in concentration and making silly mistakes.
We're inefficient when we do get the ball because we struggle to play around the opposition's counter-press and usually resort to lumping the ball forward to avoid getting caught in possession. Our attacking players don't seem to have any cohesion and we are overly reliant on individual brilliance to score goals. We're playing Tomlin in an advanced central position, but our primary option is to get the ball wide, so he hardly touches the ball.
Well, if my message hasn't changed, I must be as consistent as you are then, but, thankfully, it has. I posted what I said on my blog about our game with Fulham in February 2017 this morning - agree with it or disagree with it, it's completely different to what I'm thinking now.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
http://mauveandyellowarmy.net/best-g...season-so-far/
Now there’s an interesting idea to increase the excitement - set the ball on fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
That should suit us down to the ground. We’ve been treating the ball like a hot potato for quite some time now.
Don't patronise me. My agenda is centered on my support for Cardiff City Football Club - not unconditional by any means, but certainly through good times and bad. I won't go into how long I've been doing that as it really has no meaning. I know people who have supported the City for a relatively short time but are no less passionate supporters than I am. As I pointed out in my earlier post I can only only guess at your agenda and, who knows, I may be wrong. I'm getting bored with this exchange of views, but, go on, have the last word. It's what you like to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Good post. We rarely had the ball last night but when we did we couldn’t get Tomlin in the game at all. The game passed him by but the few times he got the ball he did something with it. That reverse pass that set us up with a chance for 2-0 was the only real bit of quality football from us last night. He also lost it himself a couple of times because he’s looking around for options that are just not there and got caught doddling. We are so static as a football team and I think to get the best out of Tomlin we need more footballers in the team but that isn’t going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
As soon as he went off it was more hoofball to Paterson and we must be the only team in the entire football league who have a spare man and still resort to 50-50 2nd ball tactics. Long throws. Chuck it in the mixer. Centre half taking the throw ins so when the throw breaks down and is played back to the thrower we’ve got a clumsy oaf who can’t get the ball out of his feet. We made no use of the extra man whatsoever.
I'll leave the last word to you provided you tell me what you guess my agenda is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grievous Angel
The keeper is missing (Etheridge) CH is missing (Bamba) CM (Pack) CF has not settled in yet (hopefully that will come however the jury is most definitely out)
We are not great at the moment but I don't think we are far off
Maybe I'm not as much as an expert as some of the football Wordsworths on here but I have thoroughly enjoyed every moment of Neil Warnocks reign here and I'd much rather watch us get the ball into dangerous positions quickly than the bollox served up by Fulham last night
However something has to be done about Morrisons long throws which are painfully predictable.
Fans’ favourite Tomlin couldn’t be arsed to move back onside every time Smithies kicked forward. Of course, it he had been fit enough to stay on the field etc etc he would have .....(complete sycophantic description)Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird
For all the bollox they served up (and they were very tedious to watch for lengthy periods), Fulham actually had more shots at goal than City and twice as many efforts on target, regardless of how slowly they got there.Quote:
Originally Posted by binman
I find myself hoping that there is plenty in the kitty for January to bolster centre midfield and the strike force but I fear this is folly. Neil doesn’t have a good track record with acquiring strikers that fit his battle plan. I do think that Charlie Austin may have fitted in better than Madine, Glatzel, Niasse and Bogle but that ship has sailed. Perhaps the ongoing Sala payment dispute looms large over the transfer budget?!
I don't think we're missing Etheridge that much. Actually, I think Smithies' better distribution might have improved us.Quote:
Originally Posted by binman
I think the point is that ‘quick’ has disappeared from our team in almost every area. We don’t keep possession and can’t hit teams effectively on the break as we lack the pace and guile, so a combination that doesn’t bode well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grievous Angel
Low possession football where we hit teams on the break and maximise set pieces is fine by me, but jeez, our pace has disappeared and our set pieces have fallen to pieces.
That’s the point TLG is making I think
As soon as Etheridge is fit again I want him to go straight back in - I believe him to be a much stronger keeper - whilst Smithies distribution is slightly better his lack of command in the box so to speak doesn't make up for Etheridge's wild kicks into touchQuote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
TLG isnt making that point hes just saying we are dreadful to watch but your correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
A fully fit NML will give us some extra pace.
I really think we should be doing far more in possession though even with the players we have.
We should be far better at set pieces though.
And ditch the log throws,it just gives the opposition time reset their defence up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Do people purposely look for ANYTHING to use to put our players down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Tomlin shouldnt be expected to have long balls smashed at him by our keeper anyway.
They’ll be asking pettier to dribble 60 yards up the wing next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
tomlin would be fantastic in a footballing team.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
We don’t even need to be a footballing team, it’s not too much to ask one of them to give him the ball to feet surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
I’m sure if he ran around like a headless chicken he’d be appreciated a lot moreQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
WHy iS he bLoWiNg oUt hiS ArSe aFter 60 miNuTesQuote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
We play the way we play and will do till the management changes.
I like it and so do the majority of real supporters.
Those who don't should either make an offer to Vincent Tan or buy themselves a white scarf and take the short trip up to Swansea to watch them instead .
Another wind up account.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
He’s been doing it for years. Unreal how sad is life isQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Oh, I'm WB again am I ?
Catch up will you ?
Your ability to deduce who's a fake account is exactly equal to your understanding of football and your loyalty to Cardiff City.
(a + b + c = 0)
- Ronnies Law.
What the hell have Fulham and Bury got to do with the turgid shite football that we play? There's another poster on here who references the opposition in order to justify Warnocks awful style of play, it's a shite argument and isn't relative.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
Feck me, this intellectual clown is now claiming he knows what the majority of so-called "real fans" like. I didn't know he knew so many.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Only thing to say We are 2 points off a play off place and 6 points off automatic and only 6 games played early days yet and we have a lot of injuries i just wish people would calm down, just wait untill we get to 12 games.
if you ever feel wound up by him take a step back and remember he's a grown man for whom, going by the amount of posts he makes, the main joy of his life is having multiple accounts on a football messageboard and be thankful that that is not you :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I thought we did ok, room for improvement but a hell of a lot better than the Reading fiasco
We're steadily progressing and the goals will come, I saw a graph for the expected goal difference in the Championship prior to the Fulham game which placed us second, which would imply we aren't actually doing that badly
Looking at the league table this evening, it seems City have only played one team in the top half so far (Fulham). They’ve yet to face any of this season’s fast starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Igovernor
Sadly I couldn't go last night due to illness, first game I've missed in about 4 seasons. So I sat down and watched on TV.
A lot of debate above poor football, Warnock, how good are Fulham etc. Well it may have been different in the ground, I suspect not, but for a period ion the second half I was bored rigid, not with City but with Fulham passing the ball back and fore between the centre backs etc for what seems like an eternity. People on here are moaning about City and the way they play, but Fulham fans can't be happy with that sort of play? Although on their forum they think they are worldbeaters and had a bent referee last night.
As for Cardiff we were awful, the only good things we did were keeping our shape and tactic and scoring one goal. But Is till feel that at home the onus is on the home team to attack the opposition. When we did it was ineffective. Our passing is woeful, and we can't hold on to the ball. Obviously our first choice centre midfielder, Pack , is now out so we were left with Ralls, Bacuna and Tomlin. To be fair I though Ralls was excellent, Bacuna too, but after Tomlin's recent couple of appearances which were good, he was terrible last night.
Smithies looks competent as do Peltier and Bennett. Flint was OK, but Morrison gave one of those performances again like last year against Watford, terrible. The wide men Murphy and Whyte were OK. Murphy can attach and did a few times and scored, but could have done more. Whyte had good control but can't seem to get past a full back and crossed poorly. Glatzel up front is not fit to lace ZOhore's boots on his showings so far. And the subs? Paterson still looks like a slow , lard arsed parks player, Holiett can control a ball and pass and cross, and NML did nothing. So in effect we didn't play very well and weren't entirely awful . But Fulham are not Man City and were there for the taklng. The highlight was probably Arter getting sent off fo being hopeless. Apparently he used to be good but is just slow these days.
As for Warnock I think it is fair to question him after the start we've had but we were more organised last night, apart from their goal. We were more disciplined but i do think are incapable of playing any decent effective football.
Bluetit above said Warnock has give us 3 good years, well I say he gave us 2 good years, we got relegated last year which can hardly be described as good. And for all the positivity before the season started well it seems to have been converted in top a reality that we are OK and that's it. Oh and he's spent about £60m in the last few years on players who are either bang average or not in the team.
We all want City to do really well every game, but we seem as bad now as we were before NW came here. But we have won 2 and drawn 1 at home so that's not bad, and been badly beaten and draw one away. And bloody Swansea are top!!
We have taken 3 points off the two clubs thst came down.
We have had a lot of squad change ,we need Patterson and Bamba fit .
The centre backs look at out of sorts perhaps a 3 at the back with Bamba might be a thing soon?
I thought we played Fulham as if they were superior to us in skill and threat
( technically they are )
Yes we are not pretty too watch, its our style .
German should have won it for us with that missed header.
When someone makes a criticism over the way we play the response by those who like the football is go on about teams that make loads of passes but don't get anywhere, when nobody is advocating that kind of football. The argument/debate is solely about how we play not other teams. It's as if those who defend warnocks style of play haven't really got an argument. If people like it then that's absolutely fine, but ther shouldn't make extreme comparisons in order to deflect the real issue. I can accept that some people are stuck in 1987 and who can blame them, it was a fine year :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
But, but, but, look how much Fulham have spent!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Absobloodylutely! I'm getting fed up of this crap being brought up time and time again. If they've got an ambitious, go ahead board of management and we've got one stuck in the dark ages with a parsimonious owner, good luck to them. If I hear "Our Neil" whine on about little old Cardiff hanging on to their coat tails again, I'll spew up.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Its not fair too say we have a board stuck in the dark ages .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Tan spent a lot under MM and OGS , and we got burnt , ended up in FFP , the embarking on a fire sale and yrying to survive under Slade (we have such short memories).
Warnock arrived and changed all that gloom .
Fulham have a bigger financial backing, which strangely still see's them relegated, just getting promotion behind us last year and not dominating the current league.?
It was my first game of the season so will reserve a final judgment.
However, it was not a promising opening game and those around me were far from happy.