Operation Yellowhammer

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

I think you’ll find that many “substantial points” have been made by Remainers, but Leavers choose to plug their ears, like my 6 year old son.
It is you, who has made no attempt at using any facts - only a load of claptrap about the war, which I doubt you’re old enough to have personally experienced.
Using the war as an example overlooks several flaws, namely that we didn’t choose to go to war (it was a reaction to the threat from Nazi Germany) and we didn’t win it ourselves - in fact we got our arses handed to us in the events leading up to Dunkirk (due to ill preparedness- sound familiar?) and were weeks away from defeat in the Battle of Britain before Hitler decided to invade Russia. We had to rely on being part of a larger group in order to prevail in the end.
I find it distasteful for Leavers (or Moggluddites, as I call them - you’re welcome) to keep banging on about the war and Churchill.

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It's very convenient (and ironic) that these people forget that Churchill would have been completely ****ed without the Americans and the Russians.

Shout out to France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc too. WHAT?

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

I find the fact Labour haven't dumped Corbyn, regrouped and used this an opportunity to regain power and sort this shit out VERY depressing.

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Anyone trying to regroup and sort themselves out during the utter clusterf*ck that is Brexit is fooling themselves. A lot of Labour voters voted for Brexit, for starters. They can't win an election without their votes.

Brexit has blown our political system to smithereens, and for starters, Corbyn is asking for his deal vs remaining in a referendum. It's a softish Brexit vs Remain. A sensible idea that avoids no deal and also safeguards the UK but also honours the referendum. They can't turn round to people and say your vote doesn't matter. They can say, right, this is what we believe Brexit to be, it's this or the status quo. Cameron should have done this, instead that pig enthusiast ran off with this stupid, idiotic referendum failed which he only ran because of his political ambition.

For Vindec, Yellowhammer is the base scenario. They've changed it to worst case so people don't lose their minds. Journalists and Civil Servants have confirmed this, as well as Gove.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

If no deal happens this isn’t project fear this is reality mate.

We are Britain and the actual case is people who rely on certain drugs will die because we can’t get them.

The U.K. imports 99.7% of its insulin. If you are happy for people who have something simple like diabetes to die fair enough.

But I hope you can tell me something positive that will come from this to offset people literally dying?

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Insulin can be stored for a year.


There would be no excuse at all for there to be a shortage of insulin.

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Originally Posted by rs3100

So, given that we have never lost national sovereignty, you still haven't given that one upside of Brexit.
I would love to hear just one tangible benefit of Brexit, it doesn't have to be no-deal Brexit, it doesn't even have to offset all the negatives of Brexit, just one little positive.

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We might get stamps in our passports when we go to the continent again, which always looks cool.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

It's very convenient (and ironic) that these people forget that Churchill would have been completely ****ed without the Americans and the Russians.

Shout out to France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc too. WHAT?

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... and Churchill was proposing a union with France.

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

We might get stamps in our blue passports when we go to the continent again, which always looks cool.

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Thanks Nick, I have corrected it for you.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Insulin can be store for a year.


There would be no excuse at all for there to be a shortage of insulin.

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Where are the U.K. getting a years worth of insulin to store for everyone that needs it?

Even the companies that manufacture only have 16 weeks worth stored -

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2019/sep/16-weeks-of-insulin-stockpiled-in-brexit-contingency-plans-93674148.html

Tory bootlicker looking for any excuse to continue to vote for them as usual.

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Originally Posted by rs3100

Thanks Nick, I have corrected it for you.

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We didn't even need to leave to get blue passports, Croatia have different colour passports already :hehe:

And our blue ones are being made in France...

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

It's very convenient (and ironic) that these people forget that Churchill would have been completely ****ed without the Americans and the Russians.

Shout out to France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc too. WHAT?

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I'm a massive remainer but Britain fought alone for a long time. They were helped by the US and Dunkirk was a miracle.

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

We might get stamps in our passports when we go to the continent again, which always looks cool.

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Queueing in the non EU passport control line won't be.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I did it a few weeks ago and the board is immeasurably better

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I've had Bales on ignore for over a year. It was a swift improvement. I'll do Ronnie soon.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I did it a few weeks ago and the board is immeasurably better

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It's quite amusing that someone spends so much time on here posting not realising that many people don't even see them.....

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Originally Posted by IanD

Queueing in the non EU passport control line won't be.

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Non-political point here: I renewed my E111 card this week (not having realised that it had expired a couple of years ago) as I'm off on a jaunt tomorrow - and I was informed that there has been no arrangement set up yet that would make them valid beyond Brexit.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

I'm a massive remainer but Britain fought alone for a long time. They were helped by the US and Dunkirk was a miracle.

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How'd we do?

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

How'd we do?

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We didn't lose, didn't get invaded, and then Hitler beat himself in Russia.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

We didn't lose, didn't get invaded, and then Hitler beat himself in Russia.

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That's self-flagellation for you....

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

I think you’ll find that many “substantial points” have been made by Remainers, but Leavers choose to plug their ears, like my 6 year old son.
It is you, who has made no attempt at using any facts - only a load of claptrap about the war, which I doubt you’re old enough to have personally experienced.
Using the war as an example overlooks several flaws, namely that we didn’t choose to go to war (it was a reaction to the threat from Nazi Germany) and we didn’t win it ourselves - in fact we got our arses handed to us in the events leading up to Dunkirk (due to ill preparedness- sound familiar?) and were weeks away from defeat in the Battle of Britain before Hitler decided to invade Russia. We had to rely on being part of a larger group in order to prevail in the end.
I find it distasteful for Leavers (or Moggluddites, as I call them - you’re welcome) to keep banging on about the war and Churchill.

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Although the over 65s are majority Leave supporters, the older people in that group - who lived through the Second World War - are majority Remainers. They view the EU as a political project in part to prevent future European wars, and so a good thing.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandp...er-65s-brexit/

The Tory Brexiteers who equate Brexit with fighting Nazi Germany insult that generation with every breath.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...brexit-to-wwii

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

I'm a massive remainer but Britain fought alone for a long time. They were helped by the US and Dunkirk was a miracle.

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British casualties make up something like 1.5% of the total war.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

British casualties make up something like 1.5% of the total war.

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The casualties in the West compared to the East is staggering. Russia and China lost 20m people each.

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Originally Posted by IanD

Queueing in the non EU passport control line won't be.

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You are focusing on the negatives. The request was for positives so I've given one. I used to live on the Germany/Czech border and took a train that crossed it to get to the big nearby supermarket. Every time, without fail, I'd get a little stamp with a train in the border when I crossed from Germany into the Czech Republic (this is pre-expansion of the EU). If we got a taxi, the stamp would have a car in the border. Imagine the fun you'll get from having a stamp with a plane; boat; train or car in it every time you go to France? Impossible to put a price on something like that. I cannot wait.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Where are the U.K. getting a years worth of insulin to store for everyone that needs it?

Even the companies that manufacture only have 16 weeks worth stored -

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2019...-93674148.html

Tory bootlicker looking for any excuse to continue to vote for them as usual.

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Jesus only a year to live,better start hording now.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

British casualties make up something like 1.5% of the total war.

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That will happen if you are really good at war.

Is the choice of name for this "Operation" gallows humour ? The Yellowhammer is a Red List bird in severe decline in the UK.

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

That will happen if you are really good at war.

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That is not the reason

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Insulin can be stored for a year.


There would be no excuse at all for there to be a shortage of insulin.

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Funny how Diabetes UK disagrees with you. I think I know who I would trust with information on this.

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

That will happen if you are really good at war.

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Or not heavily involved.

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

That will happen if you are really good at war.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

That will happen if you are really good at war.

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How has this gone over so many people's heads :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Rjk

That is not the reason

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Yes it is. 2 world wars and 1 world cup innit. Everyone knows that. We're fair and polite, but when it comes down to it we are not afraid to put Johnny Foreigner back in his box when he's getting a bit rowdy.

I wonder what the odds are on us invading France post-Brexit, as a sort-of morale-boosting easy win, and a reminder to everyone else that this is our world. As long as the rest behave themselves they will be fine, but step out of line and we'll sort them out in no time.

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

That will happen if you are really good at war.

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Unreal :thumbup: :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

Well I for one will sleep a lot better now that you've cast your eye over it and concluded it's OK.

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It's not that bad in the grand scheme of things, I thought we'd all have starved death inside of a fortnitght.

I am now looking forward to the leaking of operation red purse, to see how rich we will all become in the best case scenario.

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

You are focusing on the negatives. The request was for positives so I've given one. I used to live on the Germany/Czech border and took a train that crossed it to get to the big nearby supermarket. Every time, without fail, I'd get a little stamp with a train in the border when I crossed from Germany into the Czech Republic (this is pre-expansion of the EU). If we got a taxi, the stamp would have a car in the border. Imagine the fun you'll get from having a stamp with a plane; boat; train or car in it every time you go to France? Impossible to put a price on something like that. I cannot wait.

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Don't forget the customs declaration detailing purchases made in EU countries. With an English translation of any receipts in cyrylic script. We can compare prices paid for trinkets/essential medecines/fresh fruit whilst queueing for the non EU passport control. Delete fresh fruit. That would be smuggling.
But what joy comparing passport stamps. The Italians will have long thin ones with tiny writing like their old car number plates, Germans a full page in Gothic script with lots of numbers/multiple stamps, UK...just a short begging note-type stamp for exiting foreigners along the lines of "hurry back soon, we need you in the NHS but don't tell Nigel"

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Insulin can be stored for a year.


There would be no excuse at all for there to be a shortage of insulin.

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Are you suggesting stockpiling insulin?

I thought stockpiling food and medication was just Project Fear?

Interesting one, you are 🤔

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

If you don’t have ronniebird and walesbales on ignore you should. Makes every thread much more bareable if you ignore him and the complete bollocks he posts.

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I'd never put you on ignore, you provide too much entertainment for that to happen :hehe:

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Shows what a cult it is. So called “free thinker of ccmb” tying himself in knots to show this is what he always wanted.

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Corbyn refused to support remain at the time of the referendum, and something has happened to him since then. He's not the same fella, maybe he's been nobbled? Regarding a trade deal with the EU of course we will get one, it's in the EU's interest to have one, but at the moment it's a psychological tool being used against us to try and make us stay. The EU will never recover after we leave and they know it. The economics of Germany and China cannot survive the process of de-globalization.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Corbyn refused to support remain at the time of the referendum, and something has happened to him since then. He's not the same fella, maybe he's been nobbled? Regarding a trade deal with the EU of course we will get one, it's in the EU's interest to have one, but at the moment it's a psychological tool being used against us to try and make us stay. The EU will never recover after we leave and they know it. The economics of Germany and China cannot survive the process of de-globalization.

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But no-one has been able to produce a credible, economically sound and tight plan for us when we leave. No-one has been able to make a case of Britain making a recovery after we leave, not even Prof Minford.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

We didn't lose, didn't get invaded, and then Hitler beat himself in Russia.

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Exactly. We survived because the other side were led by a poor tactician. This time, not so much.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Exactly. We survived because the other side were led by a poor tactician. This time, not so much.

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Correct Big Apple. This time the opposition are running rings around us: another good reason for us to stay interlocked with them. As the saying goes ....."if you can't beat them, join them".

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Corbyn refused to support remain at the time of the referendum, and something has happened to him since then. He's not the same fella, maybe he's been nobbled? Regarding a trade deal with the EU of course we will get one, it's in the EU's interest to have one, but at the moment it's a psychological tool being used against us to try and make us stay. The EU will never recover after we leave and they know it. The economics of Germany and China cannot survive the process of de-globalization.

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Corbyn is no fan of the EU, how can any real socialist support the EU's market Liberalism and it's consequences?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Corbyn refused to support remain at the time of the referendum, and something has happened to him since then. He's not the same fella, maybe he's been nobbled? Regarding a trade deal with the EU of course we will get one, it's in the EU's interest to have one, but at the moment it's a psychological tool being used against us to try and make us stay. The EU will never recover after we leave and they know it. The economics of Germany and China cannot survive the process of de-globalization.

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Rubbish. Corbyn supported Remain all through the Referendum campaign - and held more meetings, rallies etc than most of the people who since have accused him of the opposite - including the Lib Dem leader and most of his hostile MPs. He didn't get much press or media coverage for it though - the BBC and print press usually used Tory Remainers in their 'reports'.

Whatever he did or didn't do in that camapign would have made very little difference given the lies, exaggerations, and stunts that dominated the coverage.

Of course he is also a sceptic about the EU - wants reforms - and the roots of that go back to the 1970s and the EEC 'bosses club' referendum. But he has accepted the 'on balance' view of the vast majority of Labour members and trades unions that the EU is a force for progress and good - based mainly on the more recent evolution of laws and standards to protect citizens, workers rights and the environment.