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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Forest Green Bluebird
Maybe Cardiff should offer a few million for this guy.
Yes please.
I checked out Madine’s stats and can’t believe he didn’t ever score for Cardiff. Even Aluko managed to score for us.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Anybody think there's a chance that something happened behind the scenes? An argument or something?
It may have been amicable. Negotiated a pay off to get rid of him without having to pay the full length of his remaining contract.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
All clubs make shocking signings like this. Ours was Sone Aluko. We spent £7 million and gave him a four year contract on big wages. He has been useless. He has been out on loan for that past year and we will doubtless send him out on loan again so it’s not just Cardiff.
I know I saw a list of the jacks blowing about 80 million somewhere recently, baston for 18 million was it? Ayew 20 million, Clucas 16, there was a few others too
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Forest Green Bluebird
Maybe Cardiff should offer a few million for this guy.
Don’t joke
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
I'm looking forward to buying a "I saw Gary Madine score" badge ..... oh wait....
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Anybody think there's a chance that something happened behind the scenes? An argument or something?
Yeah I think someone watch him play football and realised he isn’t a championship footballer in a million years.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
I said when we bought him he wasn't good enough for us, how can I see that but a professional football club can't and spend £6 million on him. Warnock wasted more money than Malky ever did.
It's not hindsight but I also said the same at the time. One of my best friends is a Bolton season ticket holder and he said at the time that he couldn't believe we had paid £6mio for Madine - a more realistic fee would have been £1mio, maybe £2mio as he was on a scoring streak at the time but we all knew this was just one of those strange hot spells any useless striker can go through for a short period, he had been pretty useless for a number of seasons before then
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
goats
I know I saw a list of the jacks blowing about 80 million somewhere recently, baston for 18 million was it? Ayew 20 million, Clucas 16, there was a few others too
Huge fees. However they did get £45 million for Sigurdsson.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
My abiding memory of Gary Madine when his name arises in future discussions of worst ever City players will be his last appearance for us at CCS (was it Preston) when he came on as sub and as the ball reached him on the by line he put in a beautiful chipped cross supposedly into the penalty area which actually finished 12 rows back in the Canton - It was a feat of shittyness that had not been seen since Josh Low was seen on the wing
Thanks for the memories Gary - there will always be a place for you in top 10 dreadful signings in years to come
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
binman
My abiding memory of Gary Madine when his name arises in future discussions of worst ever City players will be his last appearance for us at CCS (was it Preston) when he came on as sub and as the ball reached him on the by line he put in a beautiful chipped cross supposedly into the penalty area which actually finished 12 rows back in the Canton - It was a feat of shittyness that had not been seen since Josh Low was seen on the wing
Thanks for the memories Gary - there will always be a place for you in top 10 dreadful signings in years to come
Don’t you be disrespecting Josh Low!
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
DubaiDai
I keep saying it - we have no one at the club with any football knowledge.
Tan and Choo are accountants and Dalman himself is the only person who believes he knows anything about football.
The same issues go round and round and keep happening.
Unfortunately I don’t think Neil Harris has the gravitas to put this right and develop a plan and/or style
Nail on the head.
Malky got us promoted but I'd hazard a guess anybody on here could have done it. It was like Football Manager with a bucket load of cash.
We struck lucky with Warnock in amongst the dross picked by the board here.
Tan is the money man surrounded by yes men. We have been successful despite our board and not because of it.
It is sadly still continuing now. Then again with a board in place that are unwilling or, more likely, unable to see their shortcomings it isn't going to change any time soon.
Our success is dependant on the manager putting together a strong squad with a heap of cash (Malky) or a shrewd manager who builds a hard to beat team while also frittering away a shed load (Warnock).
Absolutely clueless as a club at board level.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
He was actually decent when we played Forest, chased and held the ball up well until he missed an open goal by passing it to Hoilett
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What message does this send out just before the derby too?
A lot of our shithouses might think a shit show against the Jacks and they might be looking at a nice pay off too.
Meanwhile the Jacks are boosting their squad with Premier League squad player loans.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
City123
He was actually decent when we played Forest, chased and held the ball up well until he missed an open goal by passing it to Hoilett
He started the first four games after Harris arrived and now he's out the door less than two months later.
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Could we not have at least waited until the end of January to make a decision on this?
It seems hard to believe but we could end the transfer window even worse up top than we started if Bogle jumps ship/is paid off and our notoriously hard working recruitment team once again fail to get transfers across the line.
We'll probably give Peter Crouch a 4 year deal out of retirement on the last day based on his name.
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So much negativity
Think a few people need to take a few days off
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Maybe just maybe there is a reason to write off 6m.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
goats
Glatzel turn next or the wet fart Murphy
I remember Ronnie Moore shirts back in the day saying Ronnie actually scored for us
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Ribeye
Maybe just maybe there is a reason to write off 6m.
Sometimes it doesnt work out .
Every club has the same problem .
Probably every forum rants about the failures.
When you have seen it all and then seen it all again , you realise , sometimes the footballer doesn't suit the club, system they play ,
whatever the reason. It just doesn't work out .
In business , which football is , you have to speculate to accumulate.
Look at Eoin Doyle , who would have believed it .......:hehe:
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
welshwarrior
I remember Ronnie Moore shirts back in the day saying Ronnie actually scored for us
"I saw Ronnie Moore score" :thumbup:
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
He's probably already got a deal lined up, Sunderland has been mentioned. We would struggle to offload him for a fee, so no doubt we've agreed a pay off of part of his contract so that he is a free agent and can now negotiate a better deal for himself with another club as they don't have to pay a fee. Or we've agreed to top up his wages with his new club for the rest of his contract. I just really wanted to see him score for us, he'll probably make a goalscoring debut for his new club.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
He did wear down that team that one time though.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Delbert
Possibly not the last player we’ll have to give away for free. To be fair ‘our Neil’ shouldn’t be held solely responsible for the club’s disastrous transfer business during his time as manager.
A big shout to Neil’s son James and all his pals at Unique Sports Management, Neil’s old friend Glyn Chamberlain who he brought in as Chief Scout and Head of Recruitment, disgraced agent Willie McKay for letting Neil sign both of his super-talented sons and last but not least all the crack talent spotters (VT, Dalman, Ken) forming the CCFC transfer committee. Well done all.
Spot on!
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
DubaiDai
I keep saying it - we have no one at the club with any football knowledge.
Tan and Choo are accountants and Dalman himself is the only person who believes he knows anything about football.
The same issues go round and round and keep happening.
Unfortunately I don’t think Neil Harris has the gravitas to put this right and develop a plan and/or style
The biggest blunder Tan and co made was to show absolute trust in Neil Warnock who, in terms of the amount of money spent has to be worse than Mackay, Ole, Slade, Trollope and all of the other managers who get so much stick on here. Strangely, Warnock was great when it came to free transfers/Bosmans, but give him money to spend and all of the good judgement that got us Bamba, Hoilett, Etheridge, Mendez-Laing, Paterson etc. flew out of the window. Warnock was the "football man" that people used to cry out for and look what he left Neil Harris with. We need someone with a foot in both the football and administrative/financial camps who can act as a kind of go between for the manager and the Board - there was talk of a Director of Football type being appointed when Warnock left, but that's died a death now it seems.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
The biggest blunder Tan and co made was to show absolute trust in Neil Warnock who, in terms of the amount of money spent has to be worse than Mackay, Ole, Slade, Trollope and all of the other managers who get so much stick on here. Strangely, Warnock was great when it came to free transfers/Bosmans, but give him money to spend and all of the good judgement that got us Bamba, Hoilett, Etheridge, Mendez-Laing, Paterson etc. flew out of the window. Warnock was the "football man" that people used to cry out for and look what he left Neil Harris with. We need someone with a foot in both the football and administrative/financial camps who can act as a kind of go between for the manager and the Board - there was talk of a Director of Football type being appointed when Warnock left, but that's died a death now it seems.
It IS odd that Warnock is clearly a brilliant man manager when it comes to players with seemingly something to prove (see your list above). How he got the team promoted in his second season is quite remarkable when you look back on it now.
And yet his record in the transfer market is so poor. (Insert a long list here starting with Madine, Murphy, BDR, Flint etc)
Is this trait apparent at other clubs that he managed and if so what are the unique characteristics of the players that fall into each of the two groups? Is it as simple as: he can motivate one group (of free transfers and relative journey men footballers) to over achieve and prove people wrong, whereas the other group recognise that he values them, having paid a fee for them, and are therefore not as motivated to prove themselves?
Surely that is too simplistic? 😳 (that said, the pitiful fickleness of lots of professional footballers never cease to amaze me....)
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
It IS odd that Warnock is clearly a brilliant man manager when it comes to players with seemingly something to prove (see your list above). How he got the team promoted in his second season is quite remarkable when you look back on it now.
And yet his record in the transfer market is so poor. (Insert a long list here starting with Madine, Murphy, BDR, Flint etc)
Is this trait apparent at other clubs that he managed and if so what are the unique characteristics of the players that fall into each of the two groups? Is it as simple as: he can motivate one group (of free transfers and relative journey men footballers) to over achieve and prove people wrong, whereas the other group recognise that he values them, having paid a fee for them, and are therefore not as motivated to prove themselves?
Surely that is too simplistic? 😳 (that said, the pitiful fickleness of lots of professional footballers never cease to amaze me....)
There has to be something in this yes.
No doubting the has beens or cast offs have performed under NW.
Most managers if they buy a big named player for a lot of money or on big wages (or both) will give the player more time to bed in or turn things around if things aren't working.
It all then depends on the player concerned whether he wants to give it a go or sulk.
We have seen so many of these players just sit on the bench without busting a gut knowing that they are on a huge wedge.
It isn't about the money to others who need the buzz of performing.
With Madine, I don't think he falls into either of the above though.
Warnock paid a premium for a player, in a limited market it has to be said, to fire us to the prem. We did get to the prem (with his help in "that" game :biggrin:) but, no matter how hard he might try, he is just not good enough.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
MacAdder
"I saw Ronnie Moore score" :thumbup:
I saw Andy Campbell score - and probably the most important goal of his entire career! :thumbup:
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
Makes paying the sala fee look value.
Will do the likes of nantes and clubs receiving a sell on well and stop having his name put through the press associated with a money dispute.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
I saw Andy Campbell score - and probably the most important goal of his entire career! :thumbup:
This is actually a good case in point: Andy Shambles scored 8 goals in 9 games for us, whilst on loan (or very similar, I think).
Then when we signed him for big money, he went right off the boil - did he have a point to prove whilst on loan, but then lost some motivation when he got the move?
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
It IS odd that Warnock is clearly a brilliant man manager when it comes to players with seemingly something to prove (see your list above). How he got the team promoted in his second season is quite remarkable when you look back on it now.
And yet his record in the transfer market is so poor. (Insert a long list here starting with Madine, Murphy, BDR, Flint etc)
Is this trait apparent at other clubs that he managed and if so what are the unique characteristics of the players that fall into each of the two groups? Is it as simple as: he can motivate one group (of free transfers and relative journey men footballers) to over achieve and prove people wrong, whereas the other group recognise that he values them, having paid a fee for them, and are therefore not as motivated to prove themselves?
Surely that is too simplistic? �� (that said, the pitiful fickleness of lots of professional footballers never cease to amaze me....)
Agree, Warnock's best additions were Hoilett, Etheridge, NML and Bamba, who all cost nothing, and Paterson who was only £425000.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
cardiff55
He's probably already got a deal lined up, Sunderland has been mentioned. We would struggle to offload him for a fee, so no doubt we've agreed a pay off of part of his contract so that he is a free agent and can now negotiate a better deal for himself with another club as they don't have to pay a fee. Or we've agreed to top up his wages with his new club for the rest of his contract. I just really wanted to see him score for us, he'll probably make a goalscoring debut for his new club.
Must be harder mentally the longer it goes on, that pass to Hoilett screams "no confidence".
He could leave here with new surroundings and possibly score earlier in for his new club, taking tons of pressure on.
He wasn't suited to us but that's not his fault, it's Warnock's, who is useless with forwards.
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He's just trying to open up a new branch of his fight club
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
cardiff55
Agree, Warnock's best additions were Hoilett, Etheridge, NML and Bamba, who all cost nothing, and Paterson who was only £425000.
If we could sell them for 30 million he’d be even.....all managers find a few duffs. I remember frank burrows, he was great finding cheap nuggets but give him cash and you end up with a swinkendorf lol
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
I saw Andy Campbell score - and probably the most important goal of his entire career! :thumbup:
:yikes:
The shirt must have been an XXXXXXXL to get all that on! ;-)
Who knows where we'd be without Campbell's goal.
One of the best days ever watching the City.
"There's a not very private party going on in Cardiff tonight and the locals have invited themselves" :-)
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
The biggest blunder Tan and co made was to show absolute trust in Neil Warnock who, in terms of the amount of money spent has to be worse than Mackay, Ole, Slade, Trollope and all of the other managers who get so much stick on here. Strangely, Warnock was great when it came to free transfers/Bosmans, but give him money to spend and all of the good judgement that got us Bamba, Hoilett, Etheridge, Mendez-Laing, Paterson etc. flew out of the window. Warnock was the "football man" that people used to cry out for and look what he left Neil Harris with. We need someone with a foot in both the football and administrative/financial camps who can act as a kind of go between for the manager and the Board - there was talk of a Director of Football type being appointed when Warnock left, but that's died a death now it seems.
How was it a blunder to employ a man who got us into the Premier League by spending about £10m, thereby bringing in over £100m in revenue the following season.
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
Going to Sunderland perhaps?
Beddau has been mentioned as well!
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
How was it a blunder to employ a man who got us into the Premier League by spending about £10m, thereby bringing in over £100m in revenue the following season.
:hehe: :hehe:
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Re: Gary Madine leaves CCFC
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
I saw Andy Campbell score - and probably the most important goal of his entire career! :thumbup:
and what a goal it was, i wonder how many time out of 10 he could have done it again ? ? ? not many i guess
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
and what a goal it was, i wonder how many time out of 10 he could have done it again ? ? ? not many i guess
It doesn’t matter. He did it when it mattered the most so I think that we can all forgive the rest of his indifferent time at the club :-)
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
It doesn’t matter. He did it when it mattered the most so I think that we can all forgive the rest of his indifferent time at the club :-)
He was very good for a long time- picked ahead of earnie and for good reason. He was out of form by the time that qpr game came around but he was a class act for quite a bit of his time with us