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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
What I stated is indeed true. That £434B of was created in tranches. Labour started it in 2008, if memory serves, the Tories pilloried them, then when they came to power in 2010 did the same. It was more of the fake red-blue, left-right pantomime show. The Bank of England created all of it then sent it over to the Treasury who used it to purchase UK gilts. Gilts are debt coupons which are called bonds everywhere else in the world that have interest attached. As the Bank of England is wholly owned by the British state then Britain borrowed £434B from itself, minus any interest payments of course. The QE scheme is formally titled the Asset Purchase Facility.
However much the Chinese state loses revenue wise from an economic downturn because of the virus they'll offset in an identical way. The consequences will entail its currency's purchasing power declining, better known as inflation which Chinese citizens will pay along with anyone else holding their currency.
The purchasing power of the UK pound has fallen by around 98.5% during the past century. You can check for yourself at the BoE's inflation calculator.
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/mone...ion-calculator
Yes I do know what QE is. I don't see how it will help China but you seem very certain that it will.
Shute has made a couple of interesting comments about your posts. Any thoughts on them?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Are you joking? Why do you think that post "escaped my eyes" when that post was part of the conspiracy talk in which I was referring to when I quoted you. It's not the same view, either as you appeared to be talking about the coronavirus itself being a conspiracy by mentioning SARS, AIDS etc. - lardy simply said that OM's view that the Chinese govt created the virus to kill its citizens was "conspiracy rubbish".
Organ Morgan posted: "Could any government be so evil as to release a new type of mild flu to then exaggerate its danger inside its borders while simultaneously downplaying its danger for the rest of the world purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer?"
TBG replied to OM's post: "What a load of old tosh"
lardy replied to TBG's post: "Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.".
That's as linear as these threads get.
I did indeed call it rubbish.
But Organ will be excited to learn that the Uighurs are worried that the coronavirus will spread through their camps. That will give him something to get his teeth into (and overlook the fact that it took two months to get there).
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Well there is someone in this thread who has:
Posted a 55 minute You Tube video purporting to show that the Chinese have been importing viruses from Canada for their wicked ends;
Suggested that their wicked ends also include having an antidote for selective use;
Hinted that there are numerous aims and motives without specifying any and
Boldly stated that anyone not buying into this is a slave of the MSM machine.
Now we know that LoM's nostrils are never too far away from WB's foetid pucker at the best of times. To his credit he often calls out OM who has a Red Pill Red Belt when it comes to this kind of thing (It wasn't a holocaust just some over exuberant Nazis doing the odd massacre, the world is run by Jews (Rotheschilds, Soros, Bilderburgs etc).
But this places him at odds with his hero, who sucks up to OM in the same way as he does to WB, who in turn patronises him with disdain. When all these dynamics clash in one thread the best thing to do is be vague about who the mystery co-conspirator is to avoid a rift in the tinfoil space/time continuum I suppose.
It's a good job that we have these honourable, inquisitive and investigative minds posting on here. Imagine all of the shit that Governments (or is that 'Shadow Governments'?) pull that we would have had no idea about if it wasn't for these hearty souls.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Yes I do know what QE is. I don't see how it will help China but you seem very certain that it will.
Shute has made a couple of interesting comments about your posts. Any thoughts on them?
QE = counterfeiting. Imagine if people had the ability to borrow from themselves at no cost and never have to repay the principal. A ludicrous notion because few would bother to earn an income by exchanging their labour. But that's what governments can and have done and the bill is saddled by everyone through the inflation tax of the depreciating purchasing power of their currency.
Combined worldwide debt stands at around £190 trillion ($250 trillion) and yet every country is mired in debt. Aye, every last one of them. As you know what QE is, perhaps you'd be kind enough to inform me who exactly is/are the creditor/s?
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
The economic fallout of broken supply chains begins in earnest.
JCB cuts production because of coronavirus:
Digger manufacturer JCB is cutting production and working hours as its faces a shortage of components from China due to the coronavirus outbreak.
It is thought to be the first time a major UK manufacturer has warned about the epidemic's impact on its output.
More: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51486719
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
I did indeed call it rubbish.
But Organ will be excited to learn that the Uighurs are worried that the coronavirus will spread through their camps. That will give him something to get his teeth into (and overlook the fact that it took two months to get there).
I get that you care nothing for the fate of a million people who live far away. I've not lost a second's kip thinking of them either.
Presently, over 500 million Chinese citizens are living under lockdown conditions, that's more than a third of their population.
Either China is lying in a huge way about the number of deaths inside China (fewer than 1,500) or lying about the true reason for the lockdowns.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
It's a good job that we have these honourable, inquisitive and investigative minds posting on here. Imagine all of the shit that Governments (or is that 'Shadow Governments'?) pull that we would have had no idea about if it wasn't for these hearty souls.
Most of the world's population profess to believe in some all-seeing invisible bloke in the sky who's billions of years old. Those who do should really comprise of those who are severely mentally ill. Why billions do believe is that they've been brainwashed since birth. That's evidence that the majority of humankind can be persuaded to believe anything, however preposterous, providing the same message is repeated.
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Organ's getting a bit desperate for a punch to land
"I'll get him on quantitave easing!"
Whichever way you look at it, it makes no sense that China started this deliberately.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Are you joking? Why do you think that post "escaped my eyes" when that post was part of the conspiracy talk in which I was referring to when I quoted you. It's not the same view, either as you appeared to be talking about the coronavirus itself being a conspiracy by mentioning SARS, AIDS etc. - lardy simply said that OM's view that the Chinese govt created the virus to kill its citizens was "conspiracy rubbish".
Organ Morgan posted: "Could any government be so evil as to release a new type of mild flu to then exaggerate its danger inside its borders while simultaneously downplaying its danger for the rest of the world purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer?"
TBG replied to OM's post: "What a load of old tosh"
lardy replied to TBG's post: "Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.".
That's as linear as these threads get.
oooh someone indoors shouting at you again or not listening ,go on lash , its good to release ones anger at life , you gotta be heard by someone ,somewhere , you truly do get very angry , lol
To help with your keyboard anger issues i just suggested all these type of virus thing attracts conspiracies , guess it was written badly and in a different way though ( sorry I didn't get a good education ) as a point of record I would like top support Lardy and say
i agree with his statement Just the usual conspiracy rubbish
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Organ's getting a bit desperate for a punch to land
"I'll get him on quantitave easing!"
Whichever way you look at it, it makes no sense that China started this deliberately.
Don't you understand that the Chinese Communist Party is an utterly ruthless dictatorship who maintain control through fear? Mao killed millions of them in the last century through purges and famine. Purges to murder their perceived opponents, famine to reduce a burgeoning population. 70 years ago when Mao came to power China's population was 550 million, today it's 1,400 million. China's the same size today as it was then. The country cannot feed itself. They're reliant on the Yanks to provide them with their fave grub, soybeans. They have a massive male to female imbalance due to their former one child policy where most couples aborted females preferring their only child to me male.
I already stated in this thread why it would make sense for the CCP to vanish dissidents and swathes of their excess population by deploying a relatively harmless virus to induce panic about it inside their borders and play down for the rest of the world. As with all the God crap, when constantly told death is at hand for those infected with the coronavirus then the majority will come to believe it.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Well there is someone in this thread who has:
It was your extremely narrow thinking that allowed me to pulverise you on the Russia collusion issue. Being open-minded and receptive to multiple sources of information is a benefit, not a hindrance.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
oooh someone indoors shouting at you again or not listening ,go on lash , its good to release ones anger at life , you gotta be heard by someone ,somewhere , you truly do get very angry , lol
To help with your keyboard anger issues i just suggested all these type of virus thing attracts conspiracies , guess it was written badly and in a different way though ( sorry I didn't get a good education ) as a point of record I would like top support Lardy and say
i agree with his statement Just the usual conspiracy rubbish
"You truly do get very angry" - proceeds to use the largest font size to show how calm he is in comparison :hehe:
LoM, you don't make me angry, you don't wind me up, you don't upset me. The only thing you make me is utterly confused - confused about what the f**k you're on about in 90% of your posts. (I'm editing this to 99% as 90% is too much of an understatement)
Your first paragraph is more of that bobbing for words that I've mentioned previously. Just keep bashing your face back in that word bucket and find the next one. You never know, one day it may make a proper sentence and make sense to someone other than yourself.
Love, H x
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BREAKING - #Hubei province reports 4,823 new confirmed cases (including 3,910 from #Wuhan) and 116 deaths from the #COVID19 #coronavirus epicenter for today. - https://twitter.com/disclosetv/statu...02559073816577
First number is one-third of yesterday's cases, second is half the number of deaths.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
Organ flails around again. This time he's trying a 'dont you understand' approach with some obvious facts. Does he really think that because I know that China wouldn't deliberately release a killer virus on their own people that I therefore think it must be a wonderful paradise?
Of course he doesn't, but he's gonna go down that road anyway :hehe:
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Wales-Bales
It was your extremely narrow thinking that allowed me to pulverise you on the Russia collusion issue. Being open-minded and receptive to multiple sources of information is a benefit, not a hindrance.
So using that fabled open mind of yours here is the perfect opportunity for you to:
Confirm you think that the Chinese released the virus on their own people;
Confirm you think that they have developed and administered an antidote for selective use and
Clarify they aims and motives you say normal mortals don't understand for doing so.
Conversely you can go all wobbly spine and come up with some half-arsed drivel as you normally do when in your own head you are "pulverising" people.
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
So using that fabled open mind of yours here is the perfect opportunity for you to:
Confirm you think that the Chinese released the virus on their own people;
Confirm you think that they have developed and administered an antidote for selective use and
Clarify they aims and motives you say normal mortals don't understand for doing so.
Conversely you can go all wobbly spine and come up with some half-arsed drivel as you normally do when in your own head you are "pulverising" people.
You have to know what all the possibilities are before you can start eliminating them. When you get all your information from CNN you only know what they want you to know.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
You have to know what all the possibilities are before you can start eliminating them. When you get all your information from CNN you only know what they want you to know.
Top marks for complete evasion. A barrel of eels is less slippery than you. It takes some talent..... !
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jon1959
Top marks for complete evasion. A barrel of eels is less slippery than you. It takes some talent..... !
Elsewhere he is challenging people to squirm out of something so obtuse as to be meaningless yet when challenged to simply articulate the rationale behind his views in this thread he shows the backbone of a squid.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Organ flails around again. This time he's trying a 'dont you understand' approach with some obvious facts. Does he really think that because I know that China wouldn't deliberately release a killer virus on their own people that I therefore think it must be a wonderful paradise?
Of course he doesn't, but he's gonna go down that road anyway :hehe:
'... perhaps you'd be kind enough to inform me who exactly is/are the creditor/s?'
25 hours later I'm still waiting patiently for a response. Hurry up. Chop chop.
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It's fascinating watching renowned Russian collusion expert lardy sharing his expertise about killer viruses. He's a man of many talents is our lardy :biggrin:
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He's a QE expert as well. His insights about, well, everything is essential viewing.
Meanwhile, under the hood, as it's said, the gathering gloom of declining global trade is spreading faster than Kung Flu. Fortunately Lardy will be able to quantify the economic and financial ramifications for us in real time. How blessed we are.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
'... perhaps you'd be kind enough to inform me who exactly is/are the creditor/s?'
25 hours later I'm still waiting patiently for a response. Hurry up. Chop chop.
A new rule for the Politics Forum that a question gets a straight answer? That's going to f*ck some people for sure!
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On the subject of economic collapse (mass lay offs, daily power cuts, bank runs, rioting, infrastructure falling apart, food shortages, the breakdown of law and order, roving gangs of thugs invading properties...) I've been a prepper for years for such an eventuality, but only recently discovered the existence of powdered beer and other alcohol. I haven't tried it as I have more than enough of the real stuff tucked away. Other provisions include mountains of grub and what must be amongst the largest private stock of tinfoil in Blighty.
Powdered eggs is my fave 'survival' grub. Simple to make and very nice too. I get it from https://internationalegg.co.uk/produ...gg-for-baking/ where it's deffo cheaper than anywhere else.
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China, world's number one steel producer... and number one in manufacturing. The Communist Party had better get the workers to their factories sharpish.
https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/i...?itok=zPzmJvOC
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Interesting chart Organ, which shows what I said. The Chinese economy is clearly suffering so it doesn't make sense that they inflicted this virus deliberately on themselves.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
'... perhaps you'd be kind enough to inform me who exactly is/are the creditor/s?'
25 hours later I'm still waiting patiently for a response. Hurry up. Chop chop.
What relevance has it got? I can see you're desperate for a little victory against me, anything at all will do, but I can't see how you're going to get it with this question. I'll give you a couple of answers and you can pick your favourite and go with it.
"Creditors? Why it's the Chinese treasury of course"
"Creditors? Why it's the Chinese tax payers of course."
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
A new rule for the Politics Forum that a question gets a straight answer? That's going to f*ck some people for sure!
Another new rule is to change the goalposts of the debate by such a margin that you're playing a different sport on a different continent.
Oh no, that's not a new one. That's been the way since the start.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Interesting chart Organ, which shows what I said. The Chinese economy is clearly suffering so it doesn't make sense that they inflicted this virus deliberately on themselves.
Wales-Bales, my fellow illuminist, and I identified earlier in this thread the economic dangers of Kung Flu to the UK far outweigh that of having sniffles because should China cease exporting their wares for another month or two then all First World economies will also begin to go tits up.
Below is a video of life in the capital city Beijing (with a 20 million population) which isn't under quarantine restrictions but where few emerge from their homes. The narrator mentions having his body temperature taken. It's no wonder people don't want to risk failing that test or be seen/heard coughing or sneezing in public what with the penalty being a one-way trip on a bus that has Incinerator on its destination board.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McK...ature=youtu.be
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Wales-Bales, my fellow illuminist, and I identified earlier in this thread the economic dangers of Kung Flu to the UK far outweigh that of having sniffles because should China cease exporting their wares for another month or two then all First World economies will also begin to go tits up.
Below is a video of life in the capital city Beijing (with a 20 million population) which isn't under quarantine restrictions but where few emerge from their homes. The narrator mentions having his body temperature taken. It's no wonder people don't want to risk failing that test or be seen/heard coughing or sneezing in public what with the penalty being a one-way trip on a bus that has Incinerator on its destination board.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McK19sA2HA&feature=youtu.be
If that was China's end, you know they could just stop selling their wares to the first world. Or they could make them more expensive.
Although I do heartily approve of you taking WB down with you on this one.
By the way, I know that Singapore also checks people's body temperature was they enter many public buildings. Just giving you that one so you can try to weave it in to the fantasy.
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Once again, Mao bumped off 60 million of his countrymen 70 years ago. The CCP rules through terror. It's a snitcher's paradise, much like East Germany was when under the fist of the Soviet Commies, where people will denounce others for Social Credit points or because of petty disputes. Self-preservation is the name of the game there where the great majority will only whisper criticism of their leaders to their most trusted confidantes.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Once again, Mao bumped off 60 million of his countrymen 70 years ago. The CCP rules through terror. It's a snitcher's paradise, much like East Germany was when under the fist of the Soviet Commies, where people will denounce others for Social Credit points or because of petty disputes. Self-preservation is the name of the game there where the great majority will only whisper criticism of their leaders to their most trusted confidantes.
Now this is conclusive proof that they released the virus on themselves. This is awful! You should go international with this scoop!
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Never said my theorising is conclusive proof. What I do know is that the official story is so bizarre it cannot be true. Over 500 million Chinese citizens - which is more than the populations of the United States and Russia combined and/or the combined populations of all EU states - are confined to their homes except for one person per residence being able to leave their household once every two days to collect shopping or whatever else, and those restrictions are in place because less than 1,500 people have died?
This saga is newsworthy not because of a virus that is so mild that it hardly kills anyone, or that it's extremely choosy about who it does kill (100% east Asians), and is everything to do with those draconian restrictions the CCP introduced, the negative impact on their economy and the effects on the global economy should they persist for a while longer.
It's reported Europe saw its first corona virus death today... a Chinese tourist!
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139 new deaths today. https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1228808084912529408
Wow, that could ensure China places another 100 million of its citizens on lockdown.
The slack-jawed hereabouts would still believe it would make perfect sense to.
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The New York Times has calculated at least 760 million Chinese citizens are living under various forms of restrictions.
- Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities. Many of these people live far from the city of Wuhan, where the virus was first reported and which the government sealed off last month. -
More: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/15/b...gtype=Homepage
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
The New York Times has calculated at least 760 million Chinese citizens are living under various forms of restrictions.
- Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities. Many of these people live far from the city of Wuhan, where the virus was first reported and which the government sealed off last month. -
More:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/15/b...gtype=Homepage
Presumably the millions on lockdown are the ones the Communist Party wants to look after and have the antidote whilst the ones they want to bump off are aimlessly wandering the streets and being encouraged to mingle with each other?
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cyril evans awaydays
Presumably the millions on lockdown are the ones the Communist Party wants to look after and have the antidote whilst the ones they want to bump off are aimlessly wandering the streets and being encouraged to mingle with each other?
:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Presumably the millions on lockdown are the ones the Communist Party wants to look after and have the antidote whilst the ones they want to bump off are aimlessly wandering the streets and being encouraged to mingle with each other?
There are one or two holes in the theory that he's still ironing out.
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lardy
There are one or two holes in the theory that he's still ironing out.
Ironing out holes? That's an interesting concept.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Ironing out holes? That's an interesting concept.
Mixed metaphors but I think the meaning should be clear.
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It's difficult for us to realise how interdependent the world has become. China and its cheap labour has been the engine for global growth for many years. The U.S. spent decades shifting its manufacturing base to there. If China's economy falls then so will all others. That 15 quid toaster in Argos would double in price, ditto for anything else made here or in other Western countries and price inflation would rocket. Walmart in the U.S. is like Tesco, Asda and Sainsbury's rolled into one over here. 90% of what they fill their stores with says Made in China.