Police State....

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

Is that a brand of sherry?

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Derby message board I think.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You do come over as obsessed with things apocalyptic but if it makes you happy good luck to you :thumbup:

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Why would he recommend something for the future when he believes there's a major conspiracy to kill us all? Makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

Is that a brand of sherry?

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White Cider, Actually, it would be quite an accurate Title for some of the filth that can be purchased in a 3litre plastic bottle.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Well done mate you gave someone advice 2 years ago!

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You're welcome to seek my advice too. I know you will value it. :hehe:

Thanks to mozzer2 for linking the David Icke vid below in another thread. In it early on he says the same as he's said for decades: a hidden elite control all major governments. Those remarks alone would likely see most viewers reach for the off button. He goes on to maintain that this virus is grossly exaggerated as a pretext to wreck the global economy in order to introduce a new financial system to emerge from the smoking ruins built around electronic money only. He makes a valid point about the hysteria by pointing out at the 16.30 mark that in the 2017-2018 US winter 45 million Americans had seasonal flu strains (which are coronaviruses, just as the common cold is another) and 61,000 of them died, minus lockdowns, etc, as a response.

In the last 5 minutes, beginning at 40.50, he asks (and answers) why aren't all resources being thrown at those most at risk rather than what's occurring presently.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Thanks to mozzer2 for linking the David Icke vid below in another thread. In it early on he says the same as he's said for decades: a hidden elite control all major governments. Those remarks alone would likely see most viewers reach for the off button. He goes on to maintain that this virus is grossly exaggerated as a pretext to wreck the global economy in order to introduce a new financial system to emerge from the smoking ruins built around electronic money only. He makes a valid point about the hysteria by pointing out at the 16.30 mark that in the 2017-2018 US winter 45 million Americans had seasonal flu strains (which are coronaviruses, just as the common cold is another) and 61,000 of them died, minus lockdowns, etc, as a response.

In the last 5 minutes, beginning at 40.50, he asks (and answers) why aren't all resources being thrown at those most at risk rather than what's occurring presently.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8

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Jeez. If only the world would listen to you and David Icke instead of those pesky scientists eh? What do you and David suggest we should do tomorrow regarding how we engage with the rest of the human race?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Thanks to mozzer2 for linking the David Icke vid below in another thread. In it early on he says the same as he's said for decades: a hidden elite control all major governments. Those remarks alone would likely see most viewers reach for the off button. He goes on to maintain that this virus is grossly exaggerated as a pretext to wreck the global economy in order to introduce a new financial system to emerge from the smoking ruins built around electronic money only. He makes a valid point about the hysteria by pointing out at the 16.30 mark that in the 2017-2018 US winter 45 million Americans had seasonal flu strains (which are coronaviruses, just as the common cold is another) and 61,000 of them died, minus lockdowns, etc, as a response.

In the last 5 minutes, beginning at 40.50, he asks (and answers) why aren't all resources being thrown at those most at risk rather than what's occurring presently.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8

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This video is 11 days old. Which is actually good.

4:09 Reviewer says "My sources tell me the military will be on the streets of London inside a couple of days". Did that happen?

Icke starts with the "For 30 years I have been warning that the world is run by a cult. A cult with no borders". He claims that the cult is at the core of the system in China and the US.

* This doesn't explain why the US and China have completely different economic and political models. It doesn't explain those countries posturing in the Philippine Sea and the Pacific.

He claims that the cult wants to create a global state in which a tiny group of people dictate to everyone else. He talks about a pyramid where there are "people connected to the cult". He calls them the 1%. However, this is no different to how things have worked for the last 2000 years. Is it?

He then goes on about technocracy - that is the world being run by "experts, scientists, engineers" and "Technocrats". But, surely we prefer this than in the old days where leaders were chosen on a principle of nothing other than being the first born son? What is wrong with major decisions being taken after consultation with people who know the subject?

He then makes some crazy claim about AI - how people's perceptions will be controlled at a central point. I watched with baited breath expecting him to explain how it works. He tried, and he used a lot of ambiguous terms like "smart grids" and he also confused what the "Internet of Things" actually is. However, it's unlikely that you bothered to research any deeper into either of those things, and just took Icke's view as being correct. I wonder if you still subscribe to his talk of lizard people?

He then talks about a "cashless" society as if that is something new. We have already established, through your subscription to a supermarket's delivery service, that you don't practice what you preach on this. The question I have is "what would be the major disadvantage of a cashless society"? I suspect your answer will be along the lines of "Government surveillance" and you may be surprised to find that I agree with you, to an extent, on this.

He then goes on to talk about artificial problems created by Government and relayed by the Mainstream Media. He's been banging this drum for 30 years but, as far as I am aware, he hasn't actually been able to produce a single piece of evidence on even one single artificial problem in all those 30 years. The only thing he came up with were the "Weapons of Mass destruction" which, whilst being a good example of misinformation being used to further political aims, is not exactly an example of how society has been forced to change.

He then says, and this is absolutely brilliant, that change is brought about by either an unsuspecting public being outraged OR by apathy. He makes it sound like this is Government driven but, in essence, he has just described how Governments have operated since the dawn of time. Whether that is through the Roman Empire, or local tribal leaders - what is different in the last 30 years compared to the preceding 30 years, 300 years or 3000 years?

That took me to 9:30 on the video.

I'm happy to go through the rest but I know that the way these things are "debated" by the Icke Cult is that for every reasoned counter-argument, another theory is produced forcing the counter-arguer (in this case me) to run around in circles trying to pin the Icke Cultist (i.e. you) on to one specific subject.

So - let's see your response to the above. When we've thrashed out the 9:30 so far, we'll then look at the subsequent 10 minutes.

Mad that it’s gone from a virus that only affects Asian lungs by a way to move us to a cashless society in under a week :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

For your information, I haven't visited any doctor, psychiatric or otherwise, for around 22 years.

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Maybe now is the time to consider making an appointment. I've been using this message board for nigh on twenty years. During that time I've never seen a fall from grace quite as spectacular as yours in recent weeks. It's been sad to watch and more than a little embarrassing.

"David Icke makes a valid point...."

Holy shit.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Mad that it’s gone from a virus that only affects Asian lungs by a way to move us to a cashless society in under a week :hehe:

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Thanks to mozzer2 for linking the David Icke vid below in another thread. In it early on he says the same as he's said for decades: a hidden elite control all major governments. Those remarks alone would likely see most viewers reach for the off button. He goes on to maintain that this virus is grossly exaggerated as a pretext to wreck the global economy in order to introduce a new financial system to emerge from the smoking ruins built around electronic money only. He makes a valid point about the hysteria by pointing out at the 16.30 mark that in the 2017-2018 US winter 45 million Americans had seasonal flu strains (which are coronaviruses, just as the common cold is another) and 61,000 of them died, minus lockdowns, etc, as a response.

In the last 5 minutes, beginning at 40.50, he asks (and answers) why aren't all resources being thrown at those most at risk rather than what's occurring presently.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8

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Given your track record at predicting the death of cash, you'll be right one day. Not yet, but one day. You might even see it happen.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Maybe now is the time to consider making an appointment. I've been using this message board for nigh on twenty years. During that time I've never seen a fall from grace quite as spectacular as yours in recent weeks. It's been sad to watch and more than a little embarrassing.

"David Icke makes a valid point...."

Holy shit.

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:hehe: :thumbup:

Sad? It's been quite funny tbh.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

This video is 11 days old. Which is actually good.

4:09 Reviewer says "My sources tell me the military will be on the streets of London inside a couple of days". Did that happen?

Icke starts with the "For 30 years I have been warning that the world is run by a cult. A cult with no borders". He claims that the cult is at the core of the system in China and the US.

* This doesn't explain why the US and China have completely different economic and political models. It doesn't explain those countries posturing in the Philippine Sea and the Pacific.

He claims that the cult wants to create a global state in which a tiny group of people dictate to everyone else. He talks about a pyramid where there are "people connected to the cult". He calls them the 1%. However, this is no different to how things have worked for the last 2000 years. Is it?

He then goes on about technocracy - that is the world being run by "experts, scientists, engineers" and "Technocrats". But, surely we prefer this than in the old days where leaders were chosen on a principle of nothing other than being the first born son? What is wrong with major decisions being taken after consultation with people who know the subject?

He then makes some crazy claim about AI - how people's perceptions will be controlled at a central point. I watched with baited breath expecting him to explain how it works. He tried, and he used a lot of ambiguous terms like "smart grids" and he also confused what the "Internet of Things" actually is. However, it's unlikely that you bothered to research any deeper into either of those things, and just took Icke's view as being correct. I wonder if you still subscribe to his talk of lizard people?

He then talks about a "cashless" society as if that is something new. We have already established, through your subscription to a supermarket's delivery service, that you don't practice what you preach on this. The question I have is "what would be the major disadvantage of a cashless society"? I suspect your answer will be along the lines of "Government surveillance" and you may be surprised to find that I agree with you, to an extent, on this.

He then goes on to talk about artificial problems created by Government and relayed by the Mainstream Media. He's been banging this drum for 30 years but, as far as I am aware, he hasn't actually been able to produce a single piece of evidence on even one single artificial problem in all those 30 years. The only thing he came up with were the "Weapons of Mass destruction" which, whilst being a good example of misinformation being used to further political aims, is not exactly an example of how society has been forced to change.

He then says, and this is absolutely brilliant, that change is brought about by either an unsuspecting public being outraged OR by apathy. He makes it sound like this is Government driven but, in essence, he has just described how Governments have operated since the dawn of time. Whether that is through the Roman Empire, or local tribal leaders - what is different in the last 30 years compared to the preceding 30 years, 300 years or 3000 years?

That took me to 9:30 on the video.

I'm happy to go through the rest but I know that the way these things are "debated" by the Icke Cult is that for every reasoned counter-argument, another theory is produced forcing the counter-arguer (in this case me) to run around in circles trying to pin the Icke Cultist (i.e. you) on to one specific subject.

So - let's see your response to the above. When we've thrashed out the 9:30 so far, we'll then look at the subsequent 10 minutes.

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I'm no Icke cultist. Today is the first time I've watched any of his videos.

I do agree with his main point that the primary aim of what's unfolding is to elbow notes and coins as that paradigm shift is the key to a dystopian future. I'm hoping that can be done at a G20 meeting or at another forum instead of anything approaching a Mad Max world.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I'm no Icke cultist. Today is the first time I've watched any of his videos.

I do agree with his main point that the primary aim of what's unfolding is to elbow notes and coins as that paradigm shift is the key to a dystopian future. I'm hoping that can be done at a G20 meeting or at another forum instead of anything approaching a Mad Max world.

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I'll wait to see what your view is tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Maybe now is the time to consider making an appointment. I've been using this message board for nigh on twenty years. During that time I've never seen a fall from grace quite as spectacular as yours in recent weeks. It's been sad to watch and more than a little embarrassing.

"David Icke makes a valid point...."

Holy shit.

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The numbers he quoted came from Yank government bean counters - (CDC) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

The numbers he quoted came from Yank government bean counters - (CDC) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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How do you decide which government figures to accept and which to discard?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

The numbers he quoted came from Yank government bean counters - (CDC) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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How exactly is the Center for Disease Control "bean counters".

So desperate to not be wrong you’ve used trump and david Icke as a expert witness :hehe: just give up there’s nothing wrong with not being right all the time.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I'll wait to see what your view is tomorrow.

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So, what's your best guess for the near future - a return to relative normality in pretty short order, say 3-6 months, or a continuing, perhaps catastrophic, economic and social decline?

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

So desperate to not be wrong you’ve used trump and david Icke as a expert witness :hehe: just give up there’s nothing wrong with not being right all the time.

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Icke provides an alternative viewpoint. It's heartening to note it's had 4m views on youtube.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

How exactly is the Center for Disease Control "bean counters".

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They add numbers up, collate. You disbelieve their figures?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

How do you decide which government figures to accept and which to discard?

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I was merely pointing out they are official numbers to Gunman who, I think, implied they were made up by Icke.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Icke provides an alternative viewpoint.

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Icke is a ****ing lunatic. That much is evident within the first sixty seconds of his opening gambit.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Icke provides an alternative viewpoint. It's heartening to note it's had 4m views on youtube.

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Tommy Robinson had millions of views on YouTube. Didn't stop him being totally and utterly wrong and a complete wankspangle.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

So desperate to not be wrong you’ve used trump and david Icke as a expert witness :hehe: just give up there’s nothing wrong with not being right all the time.

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I've stated previously the very last thing I wish to see is social anarchy. I hope Icke is wrong. Hell, anyone with two functioning brain cells better wish he's awry.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

So, what's your best guess for the near future - a return to relative normality in pretty short order, say 3-6 months, or a continuing, perhaps catastrophic, economic and social decline?

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My best guess is going to be no more accurate or inaccurate than your best guess.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I hope Icke is wrong.

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In March 1991, Icke predicted the world would end in 1997 and the cliffs of Kent would be underwater by Christmas, so there's a fair chance he's wrong.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Icke provides an alternative viewpoint. It's heartening to note it's had 4m views on youtube.

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Can you imagine spending a whole internet persona establishing how insightful you and your fellow illuminati are compared with the rest of the world then shouting out how many people get it?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

My best guess is going to be no more accurate or inaccurate than your best guess.

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Aye, and nothing else we might think or believe will make an iota's difference to what's coming over the hill. A fatalistic attitude is required. Let's have some Doris.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbKHDPPrrc

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Icke provides an alternative viewpoint. It's heartening to note it's had 4m views on youtube.

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This has had 12 million views......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POv-3yIPSWc

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Can you imagine spending a whole internet persona establishing how insightful you and your fellow illuminati are compared with the rest of the world then shouting out how many people get it?

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I can easily imagine someone sat in front of the box watching every BBC news bulletin to get another fix of you might die from a virus.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

In March 1991, Icke predicted the world would end in 1997 and the cliffs of Kent would be underwater by Christmas, so there's a fair chance he's wrong.

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I'm confident that his claim that the world is run by a gang of shape shifting lizards will be proven correct though. Less keen on his whole "holocaust denial should be taught in school" schtick mind

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I can easily imagine someone sat in front of the box watching every BBC news bulletin to get another fix of you might die from a virus.

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Could be worse they could be trawling back through 2 years of their direct messages on the messageboard to have a pop at someone because they’ve made themselves look a right horrible **** for the last week, just because they weren’t 100% right about a novel virus that no one knew much about.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

In March 1991, Icke predicted the world would end in 1997 and the cliffs of Kent would be underwater by Christmas, so there's a fair chance he's wrong.

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That’s the second worse prediction I’ve ever seen! It’s only beaten by that person who said “coronavirus only affects Asian lungs”

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Could be worse they could be trawling back through 2 years of their direct messages on the messageboard to have a pop at someone because they’ve made themselves look a right horrible **** for the last week, just because they weren’t 100% right about a novel virus that no one knew much about.

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Kindly tell me whose messages I've trawled through because I haven't trawled through anyone's - and I should know. C'mon, end this intrigue, please.

Organ Morgan, I wouldn't want to hazard a guess about where we will be in 6 months.

You are not shy on making predictions so, let's have it.... what will the situation be in
1) 6 months
2) 12 months
3) 24 months

Slow grind down for the next 9 months then the US government falls in Jan/Feb next year after a force majeure bankruptcy and... well I'd rather pass on speculating about what happens next as I'd invite further ridicule from blue pill fans.

There’s no room for further ridicule

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Maybe now is the time to consider making an appointment. I've been using this message board for nigh on twenty years. During that time I've never seen a fall from grace quite as spectacular as yours in recent weeks. It's been sad to watch and more than a little embarrassing.

"David Icke makes a valid point...."

Holy shit.

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It’s mad, he’s gone from being one of the best posters on here to this, in the space of 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Slow grind down for the next 9 months then the US government falls in Jan/Feb next year after a force majeure bankruptcy and... well I'd rather pass on speculating about what happens next as I'd invite further ridicule from blue pill fans.

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Do you remember when you repeatedly predicted that Obama would continue to be US president as they would let the 2016 winner take the job? That was one of my favourite Organs.