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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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xsnaggle
Why wouldn't it be? It seems everything the Daily Mail reports about the government is lies, so why shouldn't this be too?
The media can only be relied on as a source of information when it suits Slugs
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
Slugs, please direct me to where I said people of ill mental health should just pull themselves together??
Making things up to suit your narrative.
I know first hand you can’t flip the switch but I also know a bit of tough love ain’t a bad thing. Take some personal responsibility ffs. Just wallowing in self pity isn’t healthy either.
People like you always making excuses for wrong uns and we’re not just taking the severely psychotic here, you’re always at it, making excuses for any wrong un. You’ve done a bit of volunteering work and been hoodwinked by any bullshit story a junkie will come up with to get you to feel sorry for them. Probably seen you as an easy touch.
A blameless society, lets just blame the government and the system for every wrong choice people make. Mug a granny. Blame the government. Burgle a house. Blame the system.
I suppose you can always blame the system when the authorities come to take your hard drive away though. Maybe there’s method to your madness.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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J R Hartley
Slugs, please direct me to where I said people of ill mental health should just pull themselves together??
Making things up to suit your narrative.
I know first hand you can’t flip the switch but I also know a bit of tough love ain’t a bad thing. Take some personal responsibility ffs. Just wallowing in self pity isn’t healthy either.
People like you always making excuses for wrong uns and we’re not just taking the severely psychotic here, you’re always at it, making excuses for any wrong un. You’ve done a bit of volunteering work and been hoodwinked by any bullshit story a junkie will come up with to get you to feel sorry for them. Probably seen you as an easy touch.
A blameless society, lets just blame the government and the system for every wrong choice people make. Mug a granny. Blame the government. Burgle a house. Blame the system.
I suppose you can always blame the system when the authorities come to take your hard drive away though. Maybe there’s method to your madness.
I dont need to direct you , you have written it in your very own words
People need to learn to stand on their own two feet ......you have written it , it wont take you long
What else is there to conclude from that remark other than that people should pull themselves together ?
People with severe mental health problems cant do that , it's like asking someone with a broken leg to walk or a woman with breast cancer to pray herself better
Stiff upper lip cobblers
You know that the vast majority of street prostitutes have heroin and crack problems ?
You know that the vast majority who have a habit that has forced themselves into prostitution have had appalling social backgrounds ? Most have been sexually abused in childhood
Some people are bad apples and no amount of intervention will help them but a lot of people who develop psychosis through drug abuse have had dreadful backgrounds and no amount of your nonsense libertarian approach will change that
I have done more than a little bit of voluntary work , I can assure you of that
Can you get back to me once you have discussed the link between smoking and lung cancer and drinking and liver disease ?
I think I will be in for a long wait
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Why wouldn't it be? It seems everything the Daily Mail reports about the government is lies, so why shouldn't this be too?
Come back to me when the trial is over and let's see if this woman had severe mental health problems and if they were severe enough to make her act in such a terrible way
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Come back to me when the trial is over and let's see if this woman had severe mental health problems and if they were severe enough to make her act in such a terrible way
I agree with that entirely. As I reported she was remanded directly to Crown court for trial, no dleay for reports or anything which is why I initally queried the mental health comments. I be;eive she is in court again on Tuesday.
But to be fair you have already stated that she definitely did have thease problems (has them?). If she is deemed fit to stand trial and convicted will you come back and say you were wrong?
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I dont need to direct you , you have written it in your very own words
People need to learn to stand on their own two feet ......you have written it , it wont take you long
What else is there to conclude from that remark other than that people should pull themselves together ?
People with severe mental health problems cant do that , it's like asking someone with a broken leg to walk or a woman with breast cancer to pray herself better
Stiff upper lip cobblers
You know that the vast majority of street prostitutes have heroin and crack problems ?
You know that the vast majority who have a habit that has forced themselves into prostitution have had appalling social backgrounds ? Most have been sexually abused in childhood
Some people are bad apples and no amount of intervention will help them but a lot of people who develop psychosis through drug abuse have had dreadful backgrounds and no amount of your nonsense libertarian approach will change that
I have done more than a little bit of voluntary work , I can assure you of that
Can you get back to me once you have discussed the link between smoking and lung cancer and drinking and liver disease ?
I think I will be in for a long wait
So you’ve taken something I’ve said and changed into something completely different to suit your narrative. ****ing hell. :hehe:
And I absolutely stand by the standing on their own two feet comment in regards to people taking responsibility for their for criminal actions. Using drugs and mental health as a cop out. Maybe the resources are so poor because there are so many people playing the mental health card as an excuse for their wrong doings.
The likes of you excusing people who commit crime just because they have a drug problem and possible mental health issues as a result of their drug abuse are a joke. Apologists for despicable behaviour. Shame you didn’t have as much sympathy for the real victims of their crimes.
And please spare me the everyone who takes hard drugs has an horrific back story nonsense. Absolute bollocks.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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J R Hartley
So you’ve taken something I’ve said and changed into something completely different to suit your narrative. ****ing hell. :hehe:
And I absolutely stand by the standing on their own two feet comment in regards to people taking responsibility for their for criminal actions.
The likes of you excusing people who commit crime just because they have a drug problem and possible mental health issues as a result of their drug abuse are a joke. Apologists for despicable behaviour. Shame you didn’t have as much sympathy for the real victims of their crimes.
And please spare me the everyone who takes hard drugs has an horrific back story nonsense. Absolute bollocks.
What if she does not have a drug addiction but just a mental health problem would you change your tune.
I know (family) who hit his mother on the head with an iron and set the house on fire with her in there,he had never taken drugs in his life.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I agree with that entirely. As I reported she was remanded directly to Crown court for trial, no dleay for reports or anything which is why I initally queried the mental health comments. I be;eive she is in court again on Tuesday.
But to be fair you have already stated that she definitely did have thease problems (has them?). If she is deemed fit to stand trial and convicted will you come back and say you were wrong?
Wrong in what way ?
She definitely has mental health problems , she has spent five months in psychiatric hospital , and was released 6 weeks ago
Wrong in that her mental illness led to her killing that poor old fella and attempting to murder three others ?
We will have to wait for the trial , these are pre court hearings , she is entitled to a fair trial and I am certain the fact she was in psychiatric hospital for 5 months until very recently and it's been reported she was hearing voices is going to be taken into account by her defence team . She may well plead guilty to murder straight away but I doubt it . If she is found to have been of sound mind when she tried to murder four people in a shop and found guilty then of course I will have been wrong . But on the face of it this appears to be a very unwell woman .
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
So you’ve taken something I’ve said and changed into something completely different to suit your narrative. ****ing hell. :hehe:
And I absolutely stand by the standing on their own two feet comment in regards to people taking responsibility for their for criminal actions. Using drugs and mental health as a cop out. Maybe the resources are so poor because there are so many people playing the mental health card as an excuse for their wrong doings.
The likes of you excusing people who commit crime just because they have a drug problem and possible mental health issues as a result of their drug abuse are a joke. Apologists for despicable behaviour. Shame you didn’t have as much sympathy for the real victims of their crimes.
And please spare me the everyone who takes hard drugs has an horrific back story nonsense. Absolute bollocks.
You have mental health problems , what they are I dont know , you could easily open up about them but you seem reticent
Have you got a diagnosis , have you been on medication , have they been so severe you have heard voices ?
Just because YOU have had mental health problems and have not tried to kill someone doesn't mean that someone else with a mental illness has not and shouldn't.......those with mental illness who kill others are often very very ill people
As for not having any sympathy for the four victims that's utter nonsense
I am a joke?
Well we all have opinions and we all have arseholes
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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jeepster
What if she does not have a drug addiction but just a mental health problem would you change your tune.
I know (family) who hit his mother on the head with an iron and set the house on fire with her in there,he had never taken drugs in his life.
I’m not just talking about this one incident. sludge seems to think having a drug problem and a back story is an excuse to commit crime just because he’s been hoodwinked in the past by junkies. He’s an enabler.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
jeepster
What if she does not have a drug addiction but just a mental health problem would you change your tune.
I know (family) who hit his mother on the head with an iron and set the house on fire with her in there,he had never taken drugs in his life.
He has no idea if she has a drug problem or not
But we do know that she recently spent 5 months in a psychiatric hospital
Maybe she was just making the tea and there was nothing wrong with her after all ?
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
I’m not just talking about this one incident. sludge seems to think having a drug problem and a back story is an excuse to commit crime just because he’s been hoodwinked in the past by junkies. He’s an enabler.
I am an enabler ?
Your therapy isnt working
Or the medication
You need to see your doctor
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I am an enabler ?
Your therapy isnt working
Or the medication
You need to see your doctor
Yes. Yes you are.
From your first post in this thread making out she’s the real victim but not a mention of the actual victim until it was pointed out.
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J R Hartley
Yes. Yes you are.
From your first post in this thread making out she’s the real victim but not a mention of the actual victim until it was pointed out.
I think you are unwell
You certainly have anger issues
You think that because its reported that this young woman had serious mental health problems and was recently an inpatient in a psychiatric hospital and it is highly likely that a young woman who tries to kill four people is probably mentally unstable means that I am enabling awful events like this to happen ?
You need to go and see your doctor
Which part of my first post where I say this is a terrible but thankfully rare incident didnt you read ?
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I think you are unwell
You certainly have anger issues
You think that because its reported that this young woman had serious mental health problems and was recently an inpatient in a psychiatric hospital and it is highly likely that a young woman who tries to kill four people is probably mentally unstable means that I am enabling awful events like this to happen ?
You need to go and see your doctor
Which part of my first post where I say this is a terrible but thankfully rare incident didnt you read ?
A little footnote in an otherwise long winded post about the system being to blame and not her.
And since when did the Daily Mail become the source of all accurate information?
Probably lifted from her Facebook page where some people are claiming she was recently in mental health hospital and others are saying her and her boyfriend were bad news.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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J R Hartley
I don’t think you can get cancer as a result of self abuse
Smoking, drinking alcohol, bad diet and lack of exercise all increase your chances of getting cancer I believe. Knowingly living a life style that increases your risk of cancer and other illnesses could be termed self abus
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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J R Hartley
A little footnote in an otherwise long winded post about the system being to blame and not her.
And since when did the Daily Mail become the source of all accurate information?
Probably lifted from her Facebook page where some people are claiming she was recently in mental health hospital and others are saying her and her boyfriend were bad news.
I think it is an exaggeration to claim that Sludge suggested that the perpetrator was the victim. He was commenting on her mental health and mental healthcare in the UK
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J R Hartley
Yes. Yes you are.
From your first post in this thread making out she’s the real victim but not a mention of the actual victim until it was pointed out.
Have you actually read what has been posted?
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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RichardM
Have you actually read what has been posted?
He's had a 'shitter' in this thread, hasn't he? In footballing terms he'd have been pulled after 25 minutes. It seems like he just wants to attack Sludge and not deal with the issues he has raised. Bad day for him.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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RichardM
Smoking, drinking alcohol, bad diet and lack of exercise all increase your chances of getting cancer I believe. Knowingly living a life style that increases your risk of cancer and other illnesses could be termed self abus
Fair enough but I’d wager injecting heroin and smoking crack will almost certainly lead to mental health problems and not just increase the risk.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
I think it is an exaggeration to claim that Sludge suggested that the perpetrator was the victim. He was commenting on her mental health and mental healthcare in the UK
Not at all. He has form for portioning blame to the system rather than the person committing the act and this is just another example.
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J R Hartley
Fair enough but I’d wager injecting heroin and smoking crack will almost certainly lead to mental health problems and not just increase the risk.
You'd be surprised. It depends on lifestyle, affluence, prospects and support. There are plenty of people in very good positions in life who like a little dabble in the hard stuff. It will obviously affect them, but not to the extent that it does someone who is at the bottom of the social ladder. It's a class thing.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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RichardM
Have you actually read what has been posted?
Yes. “It’s terrible BUT...”
Tell that to the poor blokes family. It’s terrible this has happened but its rare. Sorry for your loss. Don’t blame her. Blame the system.
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J R Hartley
Not at all. He has form for portioning blame to the blame to the system rather than the person committing the act and this is just another example.
I'm not going to comment on this particular case because i don't know enough about it, but don't you think that the 'system' can be responsible for peoples wellbeing or lack of? Why is it that a large proportion of knife crime is committed by young black youth? Is it simply because they're black? Why is the prison population disproportionately full of care leavers or those who have suffered sexual and physical abuse? Something has gone wrong in their lives and after being failed by their family they are failed by the state who don't offer enough support and help. These people are massively disadvantaged.
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Tuerto
I'm not going to comment on this particular case because i don't know enough about it, but don't you think that the 'system' can be responsible for peoples wellbeing or lack of? Why is it that a large proportion of knife crime is committed by young black youth? Is it simply because they're black? Why is the prison population disproportionately full of care leavers or those who have suffered sexual and physical abuse? Something has gone wrong in their lives and after being failed by their family they are failed by the state who don't offer enough support and help. These people are massively disadvantaged.
How did you get on with the shed?
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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xsnaggle
How did you get on with the shed?
Arse of a job. I'd have rather made one from scratch but the missus bought one online, the quality is shit. It's up now, thanks for asking :thumbup:
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
I'm not going to comment on this particular case because i don't know enough about it, but don't you think that the 'system' can be responsible for peoples wellbeing or lack of? Why is it that a large proportion of knife crime is committed by young black youth? Is it simply because they're black? Why is the prison population disproportionately full of care leavers or those who have suffered sexual and physical abuse? Something has gone wrong in their lives and after being failed by their family they are failed by the state who don't offer enough support and help. These people are massively disadvantaged.
He is a bootlicker. Anyone asks questions and he hates them...
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Tuerto
Arse of a job. I'd have rather made one from scratch but the missus bought one online, the quality is shit. It's up now, thanks for asking :thumbup:
I got one and the floor was so weak I ended up gouting under it so it sat on solid base. seemed t work but a pain in the arse.
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xsnaggle
I got one and the floor was so weak I ended up gouting under it so it sat on solid base. seemed t work but a pain in the arse.
Same, 12mm OSB board, utter shit. I'll be putting a bit of 18mm ply over the top of it.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
I'm not going to comment on this particular case because i don't know enough about it, but don't you think that the 'system' can be responsible for peoples wellbeing or lack of? Why is it that a large proportion of knife crime is committed by young black youth? Is it simply because they're black? Why is the prison population disproportionately full of care leavers or those who have suffered sexual and physical abuse? Something has gone wrong in their lives and after being failed by their family they are failed by the state who don't offer enough support and help. These people are massively disadvantaged.
I’m not saying the system is perfect, far from it, but this blameless culture and exonerating all wrong doings and just blaming government and the system, especially by the likes of Sludge, isn’t healthy. You can’t just go around commiting heinous crimes because you’ve had a tough start in life. There’s got to be some balance.
The country hasn’t got unlimited funds to fund unlimited resources for every Tom, Dick and Harry who isn’t leading the perfect utopian life.
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adz-a32
He is a bootlicker. Anyone asks questions and he hates them...
Pipe down pencil neck
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
I’m not saying the system is perfect, far from it, but this blameless culture and exonerating all wrong doings and just blaming government and the system, especially by the likes of Sludge, isn’t healthy. You can’t just go around commiting heinous crimes because you’ve had a tough start in life. There’s got to be some balance.
The country hasn’t got unlimited funds to fund unlimited resources for every Tom, Dick and Harry who isn’t leading the perfect utopian life.
Ofcourse we can't blame Crime on having a tough childhood etc, not exclusively, but all of the evidence suggests that it is a contributory factor.
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Tuerto
Ofcourse we can't blame Crime on having a tough childhood etc, not exclusively, but all of the evidence suggests that it is a contributory factor.
And how exactly does a blameless culture help?
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J R Hartley
And how exactly does a blameless culture help?
I don't think that we have a blameless culture, the prisons are three to a cell all over the country.
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J R Hartley
Pipe down pencil neck
:hehe:
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Tuerto
I don't think that we have a blameless culture, the prisons are three to a cell all over the country.
I highly doubt that. Some prisons maybe.
Besides, I’m talking about the apologists who want to blame everything on the government and the system rather than the criminals.
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J R Hartley
I highly doubt that. Some prisons maybe.
Besides, I’m talking about the apologists who want to blame everything on the government and the system rather than the criminals.
You are indeed having a right stinker on this thread , it really is time to retreat whilst you can
You highly doubt we have a severe overcrowding problem in our prisons ?
Are you having a laugh ?
Google prison reform trust , Howard league for penal reform and home office figures , digest what you read and then try to argue we dont have a serious problem with prison overcrowding
Three to a cell ? Too right
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adz-a32
:hehe:
Tell the truth , have you got a pencil neck ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Tell the truth , have you got a pencil neck ?
I'm fairly skinny so yeah but not as much as I had a couple years ago :hehe:
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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J R Hartley
I’m not saying the system is perfect, far from it, but this blameless culture and exonerating all wrong doings and just blaming government and the system, especially by the likes of Sludge, isn’t healthy. You can’t just go around commiting heinous crimes because you’ve had a tough start in life. There’s got to be some balance.
The country hasn’t got unlimited funds to fund unlimited resources for every Tom, Dick and Harry who isn’t leading the perfect utopian life.
I agree and perhaps this part of the problem .