Golf clubs reopening in Wales

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Originally Posted by chris lee

I think the answer is not to take away the exceptions that has obviously been applied to golfers, but to be consistent across the board. If a business / sports club/ venue. wants to open because they believe they can maintain an adequate level of social distancing like golf can, then they should be allowed to open.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't someone on here suggest that you going around a mate's house for a beer was fine as long as you use common sense? In other words you can drink with someone from a different household providing that you both use common sense.

It can't be the same person now suggesting that you shouldn't play golf under the same parameters can it?

It's all rather selective isn't it?

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I remember the thread, can not remember the usernames of people who commented on it, so no idea if they have contracted themselves in that respect.

But it is a very good comparison, and I hope my outlook has been fairly consistent on both matters, regarding my believe that common sense trumps draconian guidelines.

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Originally Posted by IanD

No touching flag poles and no raking the bunkers. Also, tee times more spread out to avoid playing through. Club shops etc closed. One person per buggy unless from the same household.

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Is that the people or the buggy?

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Originally Posted by chris lee

I remember the thread, can not remember the usernames of people who commented on it, so no idea if they have contracted themselves in that respect.

But it is a very good comparison, and I hope my outlook has been fairly consistent on both matters, regarding my believe that common sense trumps draconian guidelines.

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I don't agree with you (especially with the infection rate recently showing a slight increase) but at least you are consistent.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

What rules are they ?

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The rules of common sense.

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Originally Posted by chris lee

we have come to an agreement, my solution to the farce, is we should adopt England's guidelines to get some consistency. Is that something you agree with? or would you rather a different set of guidelines altogether?

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I would rather one set of guidelines, but to be honest I wouldn't have any confidence in them being any more realistic.

I watched a short debate on the news channel earlier regarding reopening the schools but with social distancing measures being applied. Are these people serious? What planet are they on?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I agree, but people's perception is much different. Ice-cream vans down our street, groups of people in Barry Island outside O'Shea's (not sure if it is open or not).

I don't see people massively taking the piss, but I am seeing people moving around a lot more than they were.

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I agree, and i suppose that was always going to happen. I have no evidence to back this up, but aren't all kinds of restrictions flawed to a certain degree, and for them to be successful then the uptake needs to be around the 80% mark-especially things like this? I'm certainly not saying that those people with zero awareness are helping the situation and their actions may be slowing the recovery, but don't you think that the brain bods would allow for this?

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Originally Posted by chris lee

I remember the thread, can not remember the usernames of people who commented on it, so no idea if they have contracted themselves in that respect.

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The twat is talking about me, as he tends to do often despite claiming he has me on ignore.

I said I thought it was fine for you to sit in a garden and have a drink with your mate provided the 2-metre social distancing guidelines were being applied. I've also said I think it's fine for you to play golf your mate under similar circumstances. The Welsh government apparently doesn't agree with either of those ideas, but at least I've been consistent.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I would rather one set of guidelines, but to be honest I wouldn't have any confidence in them being any more realistic.

I watched a short debate on the news channel earlier regarding reopening the schools but with social distancing measures being applied. Are these people serious? What planet are they on?

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They're not just going to open the doors to all pupils, it'll be staged and at a reduced capacity if it happens.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They're not just going to open the doors to all pupils, it'll be staged and at a reduced capacity if it happens.

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How do you reduce the capacity of a school? Staggered start times? Short days? Half days? Open at night? Half the kids in one day, the other half the next? It'll be chaos I reckon. It will also **** the parents about something proper. And anyone who thinks the kids themselves are going to observe social distancing rules is in cloud cuckoo land as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Sure it is.

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How would you know if you dont play?

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Originally Posted by olderblue

How would you know if you dont play?

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I don't. I'm taking your word for it.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

How do you reduce the capacity of a school? Staggered start times? Short days? Half days? Open at night? Half the kids in one day, the other half the next? It'll be chaos I reckon. It will also **** the parents about something proper. And anyone who thinks the kids themselves are going to observe social distancing rules is in cloud cuckoo land as far as I'm concerned.

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It'll be certain year groups to start with spread over more class rooms, the authority will have to make a decision based on the needs of the year group. When things get better then capacity might be raised. There will be a plan, and you should have a little more faith in todays youth, they're much more conformist than we ever were :hehe:

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Sure it is.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I'm guessing all players playing are members. Does your golf club make a note, or give an advisory, based on the knowledge that you and your golfing mate are not from the same household?

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You can't play with any of your mates
You have to book on line and singles only

When it does change like across the border you can only play a two ball, no competitions, no clubhouse arrive in the car park, change your shoes get your clubs out and then go to the first tee, keep 2 metres apart, which let's face it that's easy in golf
Finish your round straight to the car an home.
Clubs aren't going to jeopardise being open by letting anyone take the piss also why would anyone put themselves in danger?
Golf clubs didn't have to shut by law when the lockdown was announced, the governing body advised that all clubs should and every club complied.
With golf you're out in the open air, not near anyone else and getting exercise
More risk of catching something in the supermarket than being out on the course

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Originally Posted by olderblue

You can't play with any of your mates
You have to book on line and singles only

When it does change like across the border you can only play a two ball, no competitions, no clubhouse arrive in the car park, change your shoes get your clubs out and then go to the first tee, keep 2 metres apart, which let's face it that's easy in golf
Finish your round straight to the car an home.
Clubs aren't going to jeopardise being open by letting anyone take the piss also why would anyone put themselves in danger?
Golf clubs didn't have to shut by law when the lockdown was announced, the governing body advised that all clubs should and every club complied.
With golf you're out in the open air, not near anyone else and getting exercise
More risk of catching something in the supermarket than being out on the course

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Sounds fine to me. I think that the majority of people see how serious this situation is and most are taking it seriously, there's no benefit to not taking it seriously, for business and the public.

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Originally Posted by olderblue

You can't play with any of your mates
You have to book on line and singles only

When it does change like across the border you can only play a two ball, no competitions, no clubhouse arrive in the car park, change your shoes get your clubs out and then go to the first tee, keep 2 metres apart, which let's face it that's easy in golf
Finish your round straight to the car an home.
Clubs aren't going to jeopardise being open by letting anyone take the piss also why would anyone put themselves in danger?
Golf clubs didn't have to shut by law when the lockdown was announced, the governing body advised that all clubs should and every club complied.
With golf you're out in the open air, not near anyone else and getting exercise
More risk of catching something in the supermarket than being out on the course

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Exactly right. After a food trip to Morrisons this evening I was in closer contact with multiple times more people than I ever did when I played golf.

Staff in all supermarkets I've been in seem to think they can keep close to each other at all times. And many of the punters wander around not giving a shit how close they are to people.

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Originally Posted by Michael Morris

Exactly right. After a food trip to Morrisons this evening I was in closer contact with multiple times more people than I ever did when I played golf.

Staff in all supermarkets I've been in seem to think they can keep close to each other at all times. And many of the punters wander around not giving a shit how close they are to people.

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Aint that the truth. If things were to the book then everybody would be given time slots and only the real essentials would be sold.

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Originally Posted by IanD

No touching flag poles and no raking the bunkers. Also, tee times more spread out to avoid playing through. Club shops etc closed. One person per buggy unless from the same household.

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Not the real deal then, the flag pole might cost a golfer a couple of shots and the same if golfers end up in an unraked bunker.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

Not the real deal then, the flag pole might cost a golfer a couple of shots and the same if golfers end up in an unraked bunker.

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You can't have it all when there's a Pandemic going on :hehe:

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Originally Posted by olderblue

With golf you're out in the open air, not near anyone else and getting exercise
More risk of catching something in the supermarket than being out on the course

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My mate in work's a very keen surfer. Amazingly fit guy for his age, nearing retirement but still surfs at least once a week almost all year round. However, he's not been allowed to surf during the lockdown and he's been mightily pissed off about it, although he's accepted the situation.

I've been telling him he should ride a bicycle to the beach and he might get away with it as there seem to have been different rules for cyclists, but now I'm going to tell him to take a set of golf clubs instead.

:hehe:

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Originally Posted by IanD

One person per buggy unless from the same household.

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Good to see driving a buggy around a golf course is being deemed essential exercise.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

You can't have it all when there's a Pandemic going on :hehe:

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Indeed

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I agree, and i suppose that was always going to happen. I have no evidence to back this up, but aren't all kinds of restrictions flawed to a certain degree, and for them to be successful then the uptake needs to be around the 80% mark-especially things like this? I'm certainly not saying that those people with zero awareness are helping the situation and their actions may be slowing the recovery, but don't you think that the brain bods would allow for this?

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I remember reading somewhere (no links sorry, and I could be completely wrong on this), but the initial modelling on lockdown was done on the basis of 50% of the population adhering to the rules.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I remember reading somewhere (no links sorry, and I could be completely wrong on this), but the initial modelling on lockdown was done on the basis of 50% of the population adhering to the rules.

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That's very interesting if correct, and encouraging to a certain degree.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I remember reading somewhere (no links sorry, and I could be completely wrong on this), but the initial modelling on lockdown was done on the basis of 50% of the population adhering to the rules.

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You make statements you can't back up, lol, makes you look like a hypocrite as I would have thought it went against the grain for you to do that.

Well well well duw duw duw

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Originally Posted by trampie09

You make statements you can't back up, lol, makes you look like a hypocrite as I would have thought it went against the grain for you to do that.

Well well well duw duw duw

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no link????? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by trampie09

You make statements you can't back up, lol, makes you look like a hypocrite as I would have thought it went against the grain for you to do that.

Well well well duw duw duw

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I put in a few caveats "I remember reading somewhere" and "I could be completely wrong on this".

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Sure it is.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I'm guessing all players playing are members. Does your golf club make a note, or give an advisory, based on the knowledge that you and your golfing mate are not from the same household?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

My mate in work's a very keen surfer. Amazingly fit guy for his age, nearing retirement but still surfs at least once a week almost all year round. However, he's not been allowed to surf during the lockdown and he's been mightily pissed off about it, although he's accepted the situation.

I've been telling him he should ride a bicycle to the beach and he might get away with it as there seem to have been different rules for cyclists, but now I'm going to tell him to take a set of golf clubs instead.

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If you're into anything involving exercise it's always tough when you don't get your fix
I miss going to the gym more, which I did 4-5 times a week until the last few months as it's something I looked forward too , so I get where your mate is coming from.

Maybe the only way of dealing with this would have been a complete lock down for a month or more with one member of the household allowed out for essential shopping
But if you can queue up for some essential paint at a DIY store then the idea of stopping someone exercising is completely bollocks as far as I'm concerned

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

no link????? :hehe:

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Yes, I did apologise for that in my post. It may have been word 6 and 7 which is a good 3 words beyond the capabilities of your attention span.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

no link????? :hehe:

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Exactly xsnaggle it's laughable, lol.

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Originally Posted by olderblue

If you're into anything involving exercise it's always tough when you don't get your fix
I miss going to the gym more, which I did 4-5 times a week until the last few months as it's something I looked forward too , so I get where your mate is coming from.

Maybe the only way of dealing with this would have been a complete lock down for a month or more with one member of the household allowed out for essential shopping
But if you can queue up for some essential paint at a DIY store then the idea of stopping someone exercising is completely bollocks as far as I'm concerned

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I am also missing the gym. I stopped going about 2 weeks before the lockdown, firstly because I had a heavy cold at the time, then it seemed like a potential breeding ground for the virus.

If gyms re-opened tomorrow, though, I wouldn't even contemplate returning based on current information.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

Exactly xsnaggle it's laughable, lol.

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It may be, depends if you are able to take into account the caveats that I put in place. Caveats that are missing in all your posts. But, hey, if Google churns it out it must be true.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

It may be, depends if you are able to take into account the caveats that I put in place. Caveats that are missing in all your posts. But, hey, if Google churns it out it must be true.

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Caveats, links, links from certain sources, links that only discuss what you want them to discuss.
LOL

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I am also missing the gym. I stopped going about 2 weeks before the lockdown, firstly because I had a heavy cold at the time, then it seemed like a potential breeding ground for the virus.

If gyms re-opened tomorrow, though, I wouldn't even contemplate returning based on current information.

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It will be a long time before anyone can get back there, that's why testing is so important

Here's a link

https://www.ft.com/content/3a654170-...a-027496fb6289

London centric report
https://www.harrowtimes.co.uk/news/1...ockdown-rules/

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Originally Posted by trampie09

Caveats, links, links from certain sources, links that only discuss what you want them to discuss.
LOL

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This is all the more amusing considering your refusal to share any links.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

This is all the more amusing considering your refusal to share any links.

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Oh I do share links but not continually on your say so, you can find your own links.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

Oh I do share links but not continually on your say so, you can find your own links.

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I guess maybe you share links when they back up the claims you claim you don't make. Here's another link for you

https://scienceornot.net/2012/12/04/...rden-of-proof/

Maybe that will look familiar.

You guess wrong then, lol.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

You can't have it all when there's a Pandemic going on :hehe:

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Apparently, plastic rings have been designed such that the ball is caught higher up the hole so the flag doesnt need to be removed. As for bunkers, one possible solution is that a bunker-wallah is employed to do nothing but raking. Not my sport so I've got this second hand from those that own the relevant set of bats.