Covid-19's journey to the UK

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Absolutely not. I think you're an idiot, though.

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I think when the other points of view are:

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"This is what happens when you have open boarders (sic). The spread of Covid is a direct consequence of globalisation."

"Here we go again... BBC again trying to airbrush the facts. Fact is that it all started in China and spread all over the world because of China's ill intentions. We just can not blame our neighbours for these spread. BBC, please don't fool the same public who is paying your salaries."

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There is nothing wrong with thinking your point of view is superior to them.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

So right about the time he was disagreeing with the approach the PM and Cummings were taking, the press somehow discover evidence of him breaking the lockdown with a married woman and plaster him over the papers, then all of a sudden he's off SAGE.

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*Nothing to see here*

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

*Nothing to see here*

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The story was broken by the Telegraph as well, which is where 100% of tory leaks end up

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

It's right, and so is the fact that 100% of all global Covid-19 cases originated in China.

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The article isn't claiming any different. It is looking at where the virus was before it came here. Europe, mainly. It didn't come directly from China to Britain. Do you not understand that? It's not deflecting anything from China.

You are hard work. Once again, despite people explaining in great detail, you've twisted things to suit yourself, got things wrong and confused, and caused arguments. Hopeless dunce was a phrase TLG used. Won't take long for the jury to decide on that the way you're going.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

The article isn't claiming any different. It is looking at where the virus was before it came here. Europe, mainly. It didn't come directly from China to Britain.

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That's what the BBC said.

How stupid do people be to say it's the bbc being biased when the actual study is linked in the article - https://virological.org/t/preliminar...n-lineages/507

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The COVID-19 pandemic was first reported in China and has spread rapidly, causing epidemics around the world. Cases of SARS-CoV-2 infections in the United Kingdom (UK) are the result of virus introductions from other countries, followed by local transmission within the UK1. Here we provide estimates of trends through time in the number and sources of SARS-CoV-2 introductions into the UK. We obtain these estimates by combining data on the numbers of inbound travellers to the UK, estimated numbers of infections worldwide, and large-scale virus genome sequencing undertaken by the COG-UK consortium. Our preliminary analysis provides a platform for evaluating future trends in virus introduction, however it does not attempt to measure the relative contributions to the UK epidemic of importation versus local transmission, nor model the possible impact of public health interventions on virus introduction.

The key conclusions of our analysis are as follows:

The UK epidemic comprises a very large number of importations due to inbound international travel2. We detect 1356 independently-introduced transmission lineages, however, we expect this number to be an under-estimate.

The speed of detection of UK transmission lineages via genome sequencing has increased through time.

Many UK transmission lineages now appear to be very rare or extinct, as they have not been detected by genome sequencing for >4 weeks.

The rate and source of introduction of SARS-CoV-2 lineages into the UK changed substantially and rapidly through time. The rate peaked in mid-March and most introductions occurred during March 2020.

We estimate that ≈34% of detected UK transmission lineages arrived via inbound travel from Spain, ≈29% from France, ≈14% from Italy, and ≈23% from other countries. The relative contributions of these locations were highly dynamic.

The increasing rates and shifting source locations of SARS-CoV-2 importation were not fully captured by early contact tracing.

Our results are preliminary and further analyses of these data are ongoing.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

The article isn't claiming any different. It is looking at where the virus was before it came here. Europe, mainly. It didn't come directly from China to Britain. Do you not understand that? It's not deflecting anything from China.

You are hard work. Once again, despite people explaining in great detail, you've twisted things to suit yourself, got things wrong and confused, and caused arguments. Hopeless dunce was a phrase TLG used. Won't take long for the jury to decide on that the way you're going.

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Look you don't understand.

In the US the institutions most responsible for the spread and failure to control coronavirus are the individual states and no blame can be placed at the door of the Federal Government.

In the UK blame for the import of the disease onto these isles is plainly at the door of the EU as a globalist institution and there is nothing those sovereign member states could do about it.

Once you realise this fact which is only available to the gifted and talented in the classroom then everything else falls into place.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

How stupid do people be to say it's the bbc being biased when the actual study is linked in the article

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Well done mate, great detective work :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Look you don't understand.

In the US the institutions most responsible for the spread and failure to control coronavirus are the individual states and no blame can be placed at the door of the Federal Government.

In the UK blame for the import of the disease onto these isles is plainly at the door of the EU as a globalist institution and there is nothing those sovereign member states could do about it.

Once you realise this fact which is only available to the gifted and talented in the classroom then everything else falls into place.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Look you don't understand.

In the US the institutions most responsible for the spread and failure to control coronavirus are the individual states and no blame can be placed at the door of the Federal Government.

In the UK blame for the import of the disease onto these isles is plainly at the door of the EU as a globalist institution and there is nothing those sovereign member states could do about it.

Once you realise this fact which is only available to the gifted and talented in the classroom then everything else falls into place.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Look you don't understand.

In the US the institutions most responsible for the spread and failure to control coronavirus are the individual states and no blame can be placed at the door of the Federal Government.

In the UK blame for the import of the disease onto these isles is plainly at the door of the EU as a globalist institution and there is nothing those sovereign member states could do about it.

Once you realise this fact which is only available to the gifted and talented in the classroom then everything else falls into place.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Or his advice wasn't adhered to at the time (see: the leaked memo that came to light yesterday), perhaps.

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Any link to said memo.

Can't find it on internet at the moment

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Look you don't understand.

In the US the institutions most responsible for the spread and failure to control coronavirus are the individual states and no blame can be placed at the door of the Federal Government.

In the UK blame for the import of the disease onto these isles is plainly at the door of the EU as a globalist institution and there is nothing those sovereign member states could do about it.

Once you realise this fact which is only available to the gifted and talented in the classroom then everything else falls into place.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Any link to said memo.

Can't find it on internet at the moment

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSjd...ature=emb_logo

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Yep. Just worth a quick reminder of this. February 3rd.


https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...-february-2020

"And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other.
And here in Greenwich in the first week of February 2020, I can tell you in all humility that the UK is ready for that role."

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Brilliant stuff, reads like an excellent parody, it’s a pity in many ways that it isn’t. My particular highlight being...

“Look at these well-fed nymphs and cupids and what have you.

They are not just celebrating the Triumph of Liberty and Peace over Tyranny – the official title of the scene.”

:biggrin::thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Yep. Just worth a quick reminder of this. February 3rd.


https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...-february-2020

"And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other.
And here in Greenwich in the first week of February 2020, I can tell you in all humility that the UK is ready for that role."

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Thanks for posting that - I wasn't aware of that speech until today. It could be Alan B'stard talking couldn't it.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Thanks for posting that - I wasn't aware of that speech until today. It could be Alan B'stard talking couldn't it.

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When’s his statue going up?

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Originally Posted by splott parker

When’s his statue going up?

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........and coming down again pretty soon afterwards :hehe:

Oh dear, that made painful reading.
If anyone needed any proof that the threat of C19 was given very little thought then there it is.
Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing but BJ and Cummins more than likely spent weeks composing that landmark speech, with a not to be disturbed sign outside the door, and nothing would derail the blind optimism.
Economy vs people's lives, no contest.
BJ's reign will live long in the memory and not for the right reasons.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSjdO2dVHeY&feature=emb_logo

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The leaked memo was by Stephen Riley not Neil Ferguson.

Ferguson co authored the 16th March Imperial College paper which was known about weeks ago.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

The leaked memo was by Stephen Riley not Neil Ferguson.

Ferguson co authored the 16th March Imperial College paper which was known about weeks ago.

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I didn't say Neil Ferguson wrote the memo in question, Elwood.

If you read my post and the one I was quoting, you will see that xsnaggle accused Ferguson of now changing his opinion and I questioned that as he could well have been giving the Govt. information/advice that wasn't being taken at the time (hence me saying "perhaps").

I raised the leaked memo to show that they weren't taking all advice given to them about the impact of not going into lockdown sooner, so we don't know if Ferguson et al were pushing for lockdown and being ignored.

Sorry if that wasn't clear enough :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I didn't say Neil Ferguson wrote the memo in question, Elwood.

If you read my post and the one I was quoting, you will see that xsnaggle accused Ferguson of now changing his opinion and I questioned that as he could well have been giving the Govt. information/advice that wasn't being taken at the time (hence me saying "perhaps").

I raised the leaked memo to show that they weren't taking all advice given to them about the impact of not going into lockdown sooner, so we don't know if Ferguson et al were pushing for lockdown and being ignored.

Sorry if that wasn't clear enough :thumbup:

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Oi! I didn't accuse him of changing his opinion, ! don't know what his opinion was. The advise the government takes is an average of lots of different opinion, (I did hear there are up to 100 people in Sage for different things).
all I said was that until he fcuked up (literally) he was being touted as the leading expert, and he never said that at the time. I used the word 'apparently' meaning that he hadn't voiced that opinion at the time, that's all!
If he was lauded as the font of all knowledge on the subject why didn't he say it then? (Not asking you by the way, just what I was thinking)
I just think that like a lot of the stuff that is said and printed it is with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
Is that OK? I'd hate to get into an argument about it. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Oi! I didn't accuse him of changing his opinion, ! don't know what his opinion was. The advise the government takes is an average of lots of different opinion, (I did hear there are up to 100 people in Sage for different things).
all I said was that until he fcuked up (literally) he was being touted as the leading expert, and he never said that at the time. I used the word 'apparently' meaning that he hadn't voiced that opinion at the time, that's all!
If he was lauded as the font of all knowledge on the subject why didn't he say it then? (Not asking you by the way, just what I was thinking)
I just think that like a lot of the stuff that is said and printed it is with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
Is that OK? I'd hate to get into an argument about it. :biggrin:

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'Now he has suddenly changed his opinion apparently'... That certainly sounds like you think he has suddenly changed his opinion.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

'Now he has suddenly changed his opinion apparently'... That certainly sounds like you think he has suddenly changed his opinion.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

'Now he has suddenly changed his opinion apparently'... That certainly sounds like you think he has apparently suddenly changed his opinion.

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How does that look?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

How does that look?

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It looks like you're struggling.

You: "Now he has suddenly changed his opinion apparently"


Also you: "I don't know what his opinion was"

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

It looks like you're struggling.

You: "Now he has suddenly changed his opinion apparently"


Also you: "I don't know what his opinion was"

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Also him "I don't read papers real or online"

Also him getting angry at something he read in the papers.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I didn't say Neil Ferguson wrote the memo in question, Elwood.

If you read my post and the one I was quoting, you will see that xsnaggle accused Ferguson of now changing his opinion and I questioned that as he could well have been giving the Govt. information/advice that wasn't being taken at the time (hence me saying "perhaps").

I raised the leaked memo to show that they weren't taking all advice given to them about the impact of not going into lockdown sooner, so we don't know if Ferguson et al were pushing for lockdown and being ignored.

Sorry if that wasn't clear enough :thumbup:

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Apologies I thought you meant it show that Ferguson had raised the point before.

You are right though, he may have done. Don't know if he was on the particular committee it was submitted to,although as they were both from Imperial College he was probably aware of Riley's memo.

I do notice though in that when he spoke the other day he did say that it would have been difficult to impose a lock down earlier. Not sure if he said why, I will have to check later.

As I have said there is obviously going to be an independent enquiry at the end of all this to establish who knew (and perhaps just as important who didn't know)when what and why.

The lockdown will obviously be an important part of this.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

It looks like you're struggling.

You: "Now he has suddenly changed his opinion apparently"


Also you: "I don't know what his opinion was"

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And don't forget that statements that cannot be substantiated can be mere opinions.......

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

It looks like you're struggling.

You: "Now he has suddenly changed his opinion apparently"


Also you: "I don't know what his opinion was"

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don't be silly. i'd have to be really concerned about this to 'struggle'. Life's too short.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

don't be silly. i'd have to be really concerned about this to 'struggle'. Life's too short.

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Flailing, failing, derailing.

First Minister Mark Drakeford says he will not shift from his cautious approach to easing coronvirus restrictions “however loud the demands”
“I want you to know that whatever happens elsewhere and however loud the demands to do things differently may be, we will stick to the path we have chosen.”

I get the impression he's quite relishing the genuine power the situation has presented him with.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

First Minister Mark Drakeford says he will not shift from his cautious approach to easing coronvirus restrictions “however loud the demands”
“I want you to know that whatever happens elsewhere and however loud the demands to do things differently may be, we will stick to the path we have chosen.”

I get the impression he's quite relishing the genuine power the situation has presented him with.

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Yesterday and before he was saying they were listening to hwat the people of Wales were telling them. :shrug: His comments to day give me the impression he has already deicded the what when and how and isn't going to change it. i hope he does.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

First Minister Mark Drakeford says he will not shift from his cautious approach to easing coronvirus restrictions “however loud the demands”
“I want you to know that whatever happens elsewhere and however loud the demands to do things differently may be, we will stick to the path we have chosen.”

I get the impression he's quite relishing the genuine power the situation has presented him with.

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He loves it, most people had probably never heard of him before this....

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

First Minister Mark Drakeford says he will not shift from his cautious approach to easing coronvirus restrictions “however loud the demands”
“I want you to know that whatever happens elsewhere and however loud the demands to do things differently may be, we will stick to the path we have chosen.”

I get the impression he's quite relishing the genuine power the situation has presented him with.

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He's probably relishing having the lowest R rates in the country. Which, you would hope, would be the main focus of all the Governments in the UK.