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12-06-20, 13:12
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by lardy

TBG in praying SHOCKER

lardy in mistaking bowing for praying shocker.
12-06-20, 13:13
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by Baloo

People also sometimes bow their head when meditating.

Or getting out their John Thomas for a pee. Now THAT IS respect!
12-06-20, 13:23
BLUETIT

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Or getting out their John Thomas for a pee. Now THAT IS respect!

That’s an affront to all the John Thomas’s out there :hehe:
12-06-20, 13:32
lardy

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

lardy in mistaking bowing for praying shocker.

He said he only bowed when praying! Anyway just teasing old fruit etc
12-06-20, 13:34
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by lardy

He said he only bowed when praying! Anyway just teasing old fruit etc

Teasing? Good lord! Heaven forfend! Whatever next? :-)
12-06-20, 13:35
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

That’s an affront to all the John Thomas’s out there :hehe:

Will they be taken aback?
12-06-20, 15:31
light up the darkness

Re: "Giving the knee"

Has anyone suggested taking down Queen Victoria’s various statues as she was the reigning monarch when a lot of colonialism, related cruelty and slaughter of to indigenous people was being undertaken.

Also George IV for the Peterloo Massacre where UK citizens were slaughtered by the militia in Manchester in 1819
12-06-20, 16:22
ccfc_is_my_life

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

It seems that a few posters do not understand what the taking of the knee represents...

It started a few years ago when a black NFL player, Colin Kaepernick, started protesting against police brutality against the black community by "taking the knee" while the American national anthem was being played. (Taking the knee is what players usually do when being given tactical instructions by the coach, so it fits with the NFL theme).

Kaepernick was slaughtered by a lot of people for it, not least the President. It started to gather a bit more momentum and other players began protesting by taking the knee during the anthem too.

Kaepernick was blacklisted by the NFL and hasn't had a team since the end of that season. The NFL have come out recently and apologised for their reaction to the protests.

That's where the origins of taking the knee comes from and why BLM uses it.

The bowing of the head that some protestors do has nothing to do with "bowing down" to anything/anyone.

If people bow their head during a minute's silence are your first thoughts "what could they be bowing down to?!"

There are some really paranoid posters on here, by the looks of it.

Thank you for attending my TED Talk on 'taking the knee'.

Kaepernick was not blacklisted - isn't that a racist term now anyway?

Kaepernick discovered his activism after he'd been benched for a QB called Blaine Gabbert, who isn't good himself. Why was he benched? Inability to read defences, no touch or finesse on his passes, completing 58 and 59 percent of his passes his final two seasons along with a string of losses... he'd been found out.

Was he blacklisted when he was offered a contract by Baltimore? No. He demanded starting QB money to be a backup, pricing himself out of the league. Offered backup role at Baltimore, which was pulled when his girlfriend referred to Baltimore legend Ray Lewis as an "uncle tom"... rumours were he may go to Miami until he turned up in Florida wearing a Castro T-shirt, a clear vote winner there - not to mention is "pig cops" socks.

NFL did something unprecented in organising a private workout, something not done for any other player. That ended up as a fiasco, as Kaepernick demanded cameras for his new Nike commercial be invited, not liking the workout changing it at last minute.

He's out of NFL because he simply isn't that good and wants unrealistic money for doing so.
12-06-20, 16:35
blue matt

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Kaepernick was not blacklisted - isn't that a racist term now anyway?

Kaepernick discovered his activism after he'd been benched for a QB called Blaine Gabbert, who isn't good himself. Why was he benched? Inability to read defences, no touch or finesse on his passes, completing 58 and 59 percent of his passes his final two seasons along with a string of losses... he'd been found out.

Was he blacklisted when he was offered a contract by Baltimore? No. He demanded starting QB money to be a backup, pricing himself out of the league. Offered backup role at Baltimore, which was pulled when his girlfriend referred to Baltimore legend Ray Lewis as an "uncle tom"... rumours were he may go to Miami until he turned up in Florida wearing a Castro T-shirt, a clear vote winner there - not to mention is "pig cops" socks.

NFL did something unprecented in organising a private workout, something not done for any other player. That ended up as a fiasco, as Kaepernick demanded cameras for his new Nike commercial be invited, not liking the workout changing it at last minute.

He's out of NFL because he simply isn't that good and wants unrealistic money for doing so.

it was all about Kaepernick, he is / was trying to make a name for himself as a black rights activist, him not getting a roster place just played into his story , shouldnt feel too sorry for the bloke, his nfl settlement was about $40 mill

i wonder in todays climate he would make a good pick
12-06-20, 16:40
ccfc_is_my_life

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by blue matt

it was all about Kaepernick, he is / was trying to make a name for himself as a black rights activist, him not getting a roster place just played into his story , shouldnt feel too sorry for the bloke, his nfl settlement was about $40 mill

i wonder in todays climate he would make a good pick

I don't think he would. The flaws in his game were always there - just as soon as league adapted, he was toast.

At the moment there are numerous free agent QBs, all better than Kaepernick, especially Cam Newton - though for me Newton isn't necessarily a team first kinda guy. Surprised Patriots didn't bring him in though.
12-06-20, 17:22
Heisenberg

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Kaepernick was not blacklisted - isn't that a racist term now anyway?

Kaepernick discovered his activism after he'd been benched for a QB called Blaine Gabbert, who isn't good himself. Why was he benched? Inability to read defences, no touch or finesse on his passes, completing 58 and 59 percent of his passes his final two seasons along with a string of losses... he'd been found out.

Was he blacklisted when he was offered a contract by Baltimore? No. He demanded starting QB money to be a backup, pricing himself out of the league. Offered backup role at Baltimore, which was pulled when his girlfriend referred to Baltimore legend Ray Lewis as an "uncle tom"... rumours were he may go to Miami until he turned up in Florida wearing a Castro T-shirt, a clear vote winner there - not to mention is "pig cops" socks.

NFL did something unprecented in organising a private workout, something not done for any other player. That ended up as a fiasco, as Kaepernick demanded cameras for his new Nike commercial be invited, not liking the workout changing it at last minute.

He's out of NFL because he simply isn't that good and wants unrealistic money for doing so.

I'll just leave this here and be on my merry way.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...it-against-nfl
12-06-20, 17:31
xsnaggle

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I'll just leave this here and be on my merry way.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...it-against-nfl

Would you like a spoon for your birthday?
12-06-20, 17:32
ccfc_is_my_life

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I'll just leave this here and be on my merry way.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...it-against-nfl

Settling lawsuits isn't an admission of anything.

Kaepernick was offered a contract by Baltimore, pulled by his contract demands and actions of his girlfriend.
Kaepernick's QBR the last two seasons was poor, leading team to 3-16 record.
Kapernic was approached by AAF and XFL - wanted guaranteed $20m when both leagues were paying $250k per QB.

Still, it must be his protest and skin colour preventing him being in NFL not his wage demands or poor play...
12-06-20, 17:33
ccfc_is_my_life

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Would you like a spoon for your birthday?

I get the impression he seems to like articles to cover his lack of knowledge of American Football.
12-06-20, 17:34
blue matt

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I'll just leave this here and be on my merry way.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...it-against-nfl

He took the money and ran, a bit of a poor show that he didnt stand up and fight for the rights he is so proud of, or will the spin be that they settled thus must be guilt, so he won
12-06-20, 17:35
ccfc_is_my_life

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by blue matt

He took the money and ran, a bit of a poor show that he didnt stand up and fight for the rights he is so proud of, or will the spin be that they settled thus must be guilt, so he won

Heisenberg spins more than Kaepernick spins the ball...
12-06-20, 17:37
Heisenberg

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Would you like a spoon for your birthday?

Yes please. It's in a few weeks so make sure it arrives on time. Ta!
12-06-20, 17:38
Heisenberg

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Heisenberg spins more than Kaepernick spins the ball...

Awww. Thanks... you.
12-06-20, 18:46
xsnaggle

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Yes please. It's in a few weeks so make sure it arrives on time. Ta!

No problem. Large economy size. Runsible!!!!!
12-06-20, 19:06
delmbox

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Kaepernick was not blacklisted - isn't that a racist term now anyway?

I know you're being facetious but it's an interesting (and not coincidental) point that the word black is associated with bad things - blackmail, blackball, blacklist, black sheep, black market, black mark etc, and the word white is associated with good things - white knight, white lie, whitelist etc.
12-06-20, 19:10
ccfc_is_my_life

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I know you're being facetious but it's an interesting (and not coincidental) point that the word black is associated with bad things - blackmail, blackball, blacklist, black sheep, black market, black mark etc, and the word white is associated with good things - white knight, white lie, whitelist etc.

Light, dark. Bit of a reach to automatically assume words develop due to racism.
12-06-20, 22:08
delmbox

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Light, dark. Bit of a reach to automatically assume words develop due to racism.

Sure it is :thumbup:
13-06-20, 03:44
jamieccfc

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Settling lawsuits isn't an admission of anything.

Kaepernick was offered a contract by Baltimore, pulled by his contract demands and actions of his girlfriend.
Kaepernick's QBR the last two seasons was poor, leading team to 3-16 record.
Kapernic was approached by AAF and XFL - wanted guaranteed $20m when both leagues were paying $250k per QB.

Still, it must be his protest and skin colour preventing him being in NFL not his wage demands or poor play...

Spot on, he was handed a olive branch several months ago by the league and pissed on his chips
13-06-20, 05:24
the other bob wilson

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Has this thread concerning a term that the "outraged" OP couldn't even get right really reached the stage now where some people are arguing that a person's opinion on a non sporting matter becomes less relevant because someone thinks they aren't very good at their chosen sport? What a totally ludicrous argument if it has.
13-06-20, 06:43
Hungry Blue

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I know you're being facetious but it's an interesting (and not coincidental) point that the word black is associated with bad things - blackmail, blackball, blacklist, black sheep, black market, black mark etc, and the word white is associated with good things - white knight, white lie, whitelist etc.

White Knight - A person with low self esteem who combats this with a unwavering need to aid others who may or may not need it. They usually have very isolated personal lives as they are very judgmental of others, surrounding themselves only with those who feed their desire to help and feel as a savior.
13-06-20, 06:52
William Treseder

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I know you're being facetious but it's an interesting (and not coincidental) point that the word black is associated with bad things - blackmail, blackball, blacklist, black sheep, black market, black mark etc, and the word white is associated with good things - white knight, white lie, whitelist etc.

Hope none of these statue vigilantes read this.
They'll be storming book stores all over the UK and burning copies of the Oxford English dictionary.
13-06-20, 07:16
Jordi Culé

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Originally Posted by Hungry Blue

White Knight - A person with low self esteem who combats this with a unwavering need to aid others who may or may not need it. They usually have very isolated personal lives as they are very judgmental of others, surrounding themselves only with those who feed their desire to help and feel as a savior.

If copying and pasting something at least use a British dictionary and not an American one. We didn’t lose the American colonies to have them Yanks infect our language with their misspelled words.

It’s “saviour”.:angry:
13-06-20, 07:36
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I know you're being facetious but it's an interesting (and not coincidental) point that the word black is associated with bad things - blackmail, blackball, blacklist, black sheep, black market, black mark etc, and the word white is associated with good things - white knight, white lie, whitelist etc.

I understand the historic negative associations with the word 'black' but I have never been comfortable with labelling people as black - because they aren't actually black. And at what skin pigment along the scale is and isn't black? I'm more pinky brown than most so-called 'white' people.
13-06-20, 08:18
William Treseder

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I understand the historic negative associations with the word 'black' but I have never been comfortable with labelling people as black - because they aren't actually black. And at what skin pigment along the scale is and isn't black? I'm more pinky brown than most so-called 'white' people.

Cmon now TBG. This whole episode is about Black and White. There are no Grey areas 😁
13-06-20, 08:29
A Quiet Monkfish

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Hope none of these statue vigilantes read this.
They'll be storming book stores all over the UK and burning copies of the Oxford English dictionary.

Green with envy, green shoots of recovery, Green party, Green technology. - GLM matter too, you know.
13-06-20, 08:49
Wales-Bales

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

Heisenberg spins more than Kaepernick spins the ball...

All "pretend" activists do that, I bet he owns a Che Guevara T-Shirt as well :hehe:
13-06-20, 09:02
Wales-Bales

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I'm more pinky brown than most so-called 'white' people.

That sounds disgusting, have you had your cloaca checked out? You may be full of shit!
13-06-20, 10:58
delmbox

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

If copying and pasting something at least use a British dictionary and not an American one. We didn’t lose the American colonies to have them Yanks infect our language with their misspelled words.

It’s “saviour”.:angry:

Yeah that's a very niché l definition he's found, being that Oxford, Cambridge, Websters all definite is as either:

-A person or thing that comes to someone's aid.

-A person or company making an acceptable counter-offer for a company facing a hostile takeover bid.

Still the thought of him going through all the words and frantically looking at all the world's dictionaries trying to find something that he can go aHA about, and coming up with that is funny :hehe:
13-06-20, 10:59
delmbox

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Hope none of these statue vigilantes read this.
They'll be storming book stores all over the UK and burning copies of the Oxford English dictionary.

They already know about it
13-06-20, 11:11
Hungry Blue

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Yeah that's a very niché l definition he's found, being that Oxford, Cambridge, Websters all definite is as either:

-A person or thing that comes to someone's aid.

-A person or company making an acceptable counter-offer for a company facing a hostile takeover bid.

Still the thought of him going through all the words and frantically looking at all the world's dictionaries trying to find something that he can go aHA about, and coming up with that is funny :hehe:

Yeah, that was exactly what happened 🙄

It was a term I saw used on twitter the other day and found the definition on urban dictionary but carry on in your own little world 👍
13-06-20, 11:14
delmbox

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Originally Posted by Hungry Blue

Yeah, that was exactly what happened

We know :thumbup:
18-06-20, 21:42
Gofer Blue

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Can anyone explain what "taking the knee" is actually supposed to represent? It seems it is more than just going down on one knee as they also bow their heads and occasionally do the one-fist salute, reminiscent of the black power salute. Are participants actually bowing down and if so, to who or what?

I see Dominic Raab is in trouble today over his remarks about "taking the knee". I haven't a clue about this Games of Thrones thing but as I have already mentioned in this thread it does seem an odd gesture to me. However obviously in these highly emotionally charged times it is very non-PC to question it. In fact it may well soon become very anti-social not to take part, akin to poppy wearing. I have no problem with wearing a poppy in November but I know others do object (glorification of war etc.) and it is very noticeable that anyone who appears on TV in any connection seems to be obliged to wear one. Interestingly Raab said he would bow to the Queen - I have met the Queen and would not - I simply shook hands as I would with anyone.
18-06-20, 21:51
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: "Giving the knee"

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

I see Dominic Raab is in trouble today over his remarks about "taking the knee". I haven't a clue about this Games of Thrones thing but as I have already mentioned in this thread it does seem an odd gesture to me. However obviously in these highly emotionally charged times it is very non-PC to question it. In fact it may well soon become very anti-social not to take part, akin to poppy wearing. I have no problem with wearing a poppy in November but I know others do object (glorification of war etc.) and it is very noticeable that anyone who appears on TV in any connection seems to be obliged to wear one. Interestingly Raab said he would bow to the Queen - I have met the Queen and would not - I simply shook hands as I would with anyone.

Raab is either extremely insensitive and being an arse on purpose or he is genuinely thick as shit

Boris is a racist , we know that already , I think raab is just an idiot
18-06-20, 22:24
delmbox

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Raab is either extremely insensitive and being an arse on purpose or he is genuinely thick as shit

Boris is a racist , we know that already , I think raab is just an idiot

Raab isn't getting criticised because it's "not PC" - he's getting criticised because he's the foreign secretary of a major world power during a time when people have been protesting en masse worldwide about a huge issue (including in his own country) and he hasn't got a clue about the origin of one of the modes of protest, and the dismissive tone he spoke about it in was awful. I'm not sure if it's arrogance or incompetence but I suspect, with this government, it's a combination of both

And also, it's not going to become anti social not to take part, the footballers are only doing it in the first round of games, protesters are doing it, people who want to show solidarity with the BML cause have done it.

What situation do you possibly envisage finding yourself in where people are taking the knee and criticising you for not?
19-06-20, 00:21
NYCBlue

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

Who else is bloody fed up with this???
I have no problem with people of different race...but you cannot change history...it is what it is.
Why bow down to a different race....white to black...black to white....whatever.

This tearing down of statues is appalling.....times were different.......you regret but you do not destroy.....

You're fed up with people bringing attention to racial injustice? How fed up would you be having to deal with it first hand every day?

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