And a lot of really thick people. They just don't get it, or refuse to.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
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And a lot of really thick people. They just don't get it, or refuse to.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
They usually throw a plane up to advertise up coming shows for Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson on Blackpool pier-There's ****ing irony for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
Who are the 'yellow' people, Maurice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
I replied, I answered your question and I meant every word of what I said. I find this kind of thing incredibly tiresome because I don't believe for a second that anyone with any modicum of intelligence genuinely can't understand why the slogan 'All Lives Matter' is totally inappropriate in relation to recent events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Consider this: if somebody asked you to make a donation to a charity in the fight against breast cancer or prostate cancer, would you refuse to donate because you believe all cancers matter? If someone asked you to support a campaign to save the Brazilian rainforests, would you be opposed because you think all forests should be saved? If somebody asked you to back a campaign against fox hunting, would you refuse on the grounds that you're opposed to all hunting? If somebody asked you to sign a petition to save the whales, would you be loathe to do so because all mammals matter? Are you opposed to charities like Save the Children or Help the Aged because you think all humans should be assisted regardless of their age or circumstances?
All Lives Matter is not only a cop-out but in most cases it's very deliberately pernicious. I have no doubt about that whatsoever.
I'm quite sure the vast majority of small airports don't want to be associated with these banners. D'oh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
I don't support a club. I like watching football. I want both teams to score, but I only like it when it's a draw because All Teams Matter.
Incidentally, didn't Burnley's Ben Mee speak well after the game? Credit to his profession.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/53151845
Im mot objecting to it. Just thought it could have been worded better to cover racism worldwide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Im not in denial. You are over dramatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Yes. What part of my post made you think i didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Completely in denial about racist activity in cardiff, at cardiff city matches and completely in denial about the racist attitudes prevalent in this countryQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
It's not just a few idiots on that burnley banner Yahoo comments thread talking about golliwogs
That sort of talk is everywhere in society but hidden
That would be an entirely different movement with a different message though.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
The vast majority of people using this all lives matter slogan are either thick as planks or racist or both
Most of them are racist , they will deny it but they are
These are the sort of people who also dont like gay people and want the death penalty brought back , so they can watch .
The time to mince words is long gone
All lives matter is a call from the far right and adopted by the racists and people who just dont get it or are being deliberately awkward to defend their own positionQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The plane was a ridiculously stupid thing to do, no doubt about that.
Second post in to this thread and somebody refers to men on the right as gammon. Now, you see this label a lot these days but is this not racist as well?
I've seen people say no, it is just a name. If it based upon the appearance of somebody, and in particular their skin colour, then how can some names be deemed racist and this not? I'm a white male but if I made up a name about black people based on the colour of their skin I know what the reaction would be.
It's our equivalent of a redneckQuote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Its doesnt apply to all white people , in the way **** or wog is applied to asian or black people , it applies to the racist idiots who spend too much time in the sun in hot weather , get pissed up and spout racist abuse
I would say those of a far eastern disposition wouldn't you? fact of life....like Africans are generally black. Welsh are generally White...Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
No. Absolutely not. Gammon is not a race.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
As regards the insult being used to describe skin colour, I think I'm right in saying (although I haven't paid that much attention, so could be wrong) that those regarded as 'gammons' are not being so-described because of the natural colour of their skin, but rather the colour they turn while they are ranting and raving about their right-wing ideologies.
Isn't it a message that should be carried world wide though, to try to eradicate racism everywhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
So, you can label people because of the colour of their skin as long as it is only some white people?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Isn't that what the examples you've given above do?
Gammon isn't a race, no. It is aimed at white men on the right. Many names aimed at black people are not races either.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
If people made up a name for a black section of the BLM movement that was based solely on the colour of their skin would that not be racist regardless of how small the group was or the reason for the name?
No, but they have their origin in race. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the vast majority of people who refer to the over-excited, red-faced, right-wing 'gammons' of the same race?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
No , clearly notQuote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
I have yet to hear oneQuote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Some posters on here think that the BLM group is made up of white middle class people
No idea what you would name them
And 8 pints of stella and a couple of 10 bags.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
From what I can gather, "gammon" is a description devised by white people to be used against white (or whiteish) people, seems to me that most of the derogatory terms we are aware of for BAME people are the invention of white people, therefore, it's hardly comparing like for like, but the gammon angle does show how desperate some are to find a reason to argue against black lives matter.
What difference does that make? Black people call other black people what are deemed racist names also.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Could and would a black man be called a gammon?
If it is aimed at solely white men because of the colour of their skin then dress it up how you like, regardless of how the name calling has been arrived at (whether they are right wing, what they spout etc etc) the label is purely down to the colour of their skin.
I'm glad they flew the banner.
Why should we all be forced to accept that Black lives matter is acceptable as a slogan. It's racist in itself.
Freedom of speech is important.
No one should be bullied or afraid to express an opinion.
If you can state black lives matter you can state white lives matter.
My family is mixed race by the way.
Bloody snowflakes everywhere.
Nobody is using it to argue against Black Lives Matter. Well I'm certainly not. Its roots have nothing to do with Black Lives Matter. The two seem to have crossed recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
If, for example, the right wing gave a name to a group of black men in the BLM movement based solely on the colour of their skin because of the colour they went when spouting anti white filth then would that be ok? Would it be ok if black people started the name and then white people used it after that?
What difference does that make? With all due respect, I'm not sure you understand the term 'racist'. The adjective is described in my dictionary thus: Showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
You asked is the term 'gammon' racist? I have provided an answer based on my understanding of both terms.
Let's wait and see what the reaction is if and when that happens, shall we? Then maybe we can provide an answer because as hypothetical situations go, that one is ludicrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
You can be mixed race and still be a racistQuote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2
With freedom of speech comes responsibility
When there was a black lives matter protest in Hertfordshire the other day a white bloke ran up to some of the protestors and told them to **** off back to africa
Is that your idea of free speech ?
That figures. After all, you have demonstrated time and time again that you're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2
You've quote a part of my post there.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I also stated that people of the same race have used it to describe one another on other examples while people of other races have used it as a racist term.
If the term was used solely by white people against white people then I take your point. It isn't.
As ludicrous as gammon being fine because it is aimed at white men who are right wing and spout right wing filth.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
You say it is ludicrous but it is not far from why people on here are saying gammon as a name is fine. It is given to white, right wing people because of the colour their faces go.
See your own definition of racist above. It is exactly that.
I quoted the bit that was relevant as far as I'm concerned. The term was devised by white people to describe other white people. It was not a term devised with the intention of showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or with the belief that a particular race is somehow superior to another. Therefore, it is not a racist term. Simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Hope that helps.
In the states the term cracker is used to describe white poorly educated people who in the days of slavery would do the slave masters work for them by cracking the whip against black peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
It's extremely offensive of course as it wasnt just the african americans who overthrew slavery and eventually got voting rights , millions of white people living in the south were there fighting with them and marching with them . I remember watching a particularly venomous black woman telling a white bloke to stay away from her on a protest march as he was a " Cracker " .....it was clearly an example of black racism .
Later that day a white supremacist drove a car into a white woman supporting the protest about the police treatment of black people
So offensive terms about white people do occur , in america they are based on a historical slavery theme , in the uk it seems to be more political
It generally is to be fair , almost exclusively a guardian readers piss take out of right wing pissed up ignorant bigotsQuote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
It's nothing of the sort. However, if that's the way you understand it, then so be it. I'm obviously not going to change your mind despite having common sense and a dictionary on my side.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
I'm going to take a bit of a leap here, but are you a perchance a white person aged between 40 and 70?
You've lost me with that second paragraph and if you're not arguing against BLM, what are you doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj