A Cringeworthy City Moment

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

TLG is a moaner

He moaned about warnock then went quiet when we got us promoted

He moaned about Harris then went quiet when we went on that winning run

He is mr angry of South wales

But he's OK, he's a good laugh unless he's off on one

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I can believe it. Many are different in real life in relation to on here.

I can't understand how TLG not paying for a ticket but still attending isn't supporting City owned Tan though?

Does a kid who has his dad pay for his season ticket not support (and in a way help) the club?
Does a foreign fan buying a membership benefit the club more than somebody who is there in person boosting the numbers in the home end?

It is all support no matter which way you twist it.

Would I turn up to watch something I had actively said I disagree with and would never support? I don't think I would.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

I can believe it. Many are different in real life in relation to on here.

I can't understand how TLG not paying for a ticket but still attending isn't supporting City owned Tan though?

Does a kid who has his dad pay for his season ticket not support (and in a way help) the club?
Does a foreign fan buying a membership benefit the club more than somebody who is there in person boosting the numbers in the home end?

It is all support no matter which way you twist it.

Would I turn up to watch something I had actively said I disagree with and would never support? I don't think I would.

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TLG is now a occasional fan in terms of visits to the ground , I have no idea if he follows city away

He says cardiff city do not dominate his life like it did as he was a home and away fan for many years and I can back him on that as he was on the same bus as me talking endless boring nonsense about goth and punk music , it was a real trial

It got worse when he actually started running coaches as he then had control of the sound system

Those are moments in my life I will never get back

Anyone calling themselves a football lad. Even worse if your over 50.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

He questions the intellect of his foe and then seems to question what people do with their spare time while dedicating a lot of his own to playing with spiders.

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I question the intellect of my foe in this particular case because I know him well on a personal level and he's as thick as shit.

I don't dedicate a lot of my spare time to playing with spiders. That would be dangerous. As a rule, they're not creatures that should be played with. I don't dedicate a lot of my spare time to looking after them, either. One of the things I like most about tarantulas is the fact that they are so low-maintenance.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

He wouldn't go until Tan had gone but changed that to he will go if he gets free tickets from his numerous amount of friends. I've never known a bloke with no interest in something get offered so many tickets for it.

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I never, ever said I wouldn't go to matches until Tan had gone.

You say you've never known a bloke with no interest in something get offered so many tickets for it. Firstly, I've never said I have no interest in Cardiff City. Secondly, do you actually know me? Or do you only know me via this message board?

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

I understand that TLG now says that he won't give a penny to City under Tan.

What I would ask TLG is this. Do you not feel that you attending, whether you pay for the ticket or not, helps Tan owned City?

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It's not a case of me now saying that I won't give another penny to City under Tan. That's something I've said all along.

Does me attending occasional games help Tan-owned City? I'm not sure to be honest. The tickets have already been paid for and will be counted whether I attend or not, so my attendance makes no difference in financial terms. However, as time has passed I have found myself getting behind the team a little more during my visits, although my vocal support is nothing like it used to be.

The true answer to that question is I don't know, but the fact is I don't care either. Indeed, I'm long past caring.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Would I turn up to watch something I had actively said I disagree with and would never support? I don't think I would.

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I don't think I would, either.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It's not a case of me now saying that I won't give another penny to City under Tan. That's something I've said all along.

Does me attending occasional games help Tan-owned City? I'm not sure to be honest. The tickets have already been paid for and will be counted whether I attend or not, so my attendance makes no difference in financial terms. However, as time has passed I have found myself getting behind the team a little more during my visits, although my vocal support is nothing like it used to be.

The true answer to that question is I don't know, but the fact is I don't care either. Indeed, I'm long past caring.

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I understand your position and your antipathy to Tan (and I boycotted myself until blue returned) but, for me, it's a curious concept of withholding money from Tan when he is making a huge loss in subsiding the club - but I suppose one could think that his losing more money per month may prompt him selling. And although I can't ever bring myself to say anything good about him (despite his profligacy in keeping the club afloat), his current, anonymous support may be better than what follows. Football is a curious business whereby we consider clubs to be "ours" while their continued existence is usually courtesy of wealthy individuals who do not usually have the same long-standing affinities of those who are the paying customers.
The German model is far better, of course.....

Why do people care so much about TLG's attendance or non attendance of City games? You'd think he was the owner of the club with the amount of times people try to aHA him with his position on Tan and whether he supports Cardiff or not.

I've never met the guy but it's pretty obvious just from being on here that the case was he was an avid fan, was strongly opposed to the rebrand so stopped going, now with time and going back to blue those feelings have softened and he retains an interest and occasionally goes to games to have a good time with his mates but some of the original passion has gone and Saturday doesn't automatically equals City anymore.

We've got tons of fans in the same boat, hundreds probably if not more. It was me for a while but I've gotten back into it and love it as much as I ever did, loads haven't, it's not a scandal or a gotcha to point that out :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I understand your position and your antipathy to Tan (and I boycotted myself until blue returned) but, for me, it's a curious concept of withholding money from Tan when he is making a huge loss in subsiding the club - but I suppose one could think that his losing more money per month may prompt him selling.

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It was originally a point of principle as far as I was concerned. In my blog post of 17/08/2012, I wrote: "Of course, the Bluebirds hierarchy are under no obligation to consult with the fanbase on any issue. By the same token, the supporters are under no obligation to endorse the way in which the current regime is conducting its business. No doubt the vast majority of fans will carry on supporting the club regardless of recent events, but for some of us there is a principle at stake here. Cardiff City’s Malaysian owners have clearly demonstrated they are content to ignore the supporters and trample on the club’s traditions. Consequently, they will not be getting another penny from me."

However, while the position is still technically a point of principle, the truth of the matter is that I simply haven't had the desire to buy a ticket at any stage since the rebrand was reversed and my personal boycott effectively ended in January 2015. I get offered spare tickets on a regular basis on account of the fact that I have plenty of friends who are season ticket holders. If I have nothing else on my agenda, I take those tickets as I still love football, still enjoy watching the games, still enjoy the days out and very much enjoy catching up with everyone. But I also regularly turn down the offer of tickets as I'm either busy doing other things or I just don't fancy it for whatever reason.

If I genuinely felt inclined to buy a ticket I'd bite the bullet and do so, but so far I haven't felt that way. The occasional games have been enough.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I've never met the guy but it's pretty obvious just from being on here that the case was he was an avid fan, was strongly opposed to the rebrand so stopped going, now with time and going back to blue those feelings have softened and he retains an interest and occasionally goes to games to have a good time with his mates but some of the original passion has gone and Saturday doesn't automatically equals City anymore.

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That's a pretty good and fair summation. Generally, during the last three and a bit seasons, if I've been offered a ticket for a weekend game, I've gone along provided I haven't been away or had a gig scheduled. While weekends don't automatically equate to City anymore, I do enjoy the days out. However, apart from the game against Reading on a Friday night last season, I haven't yet been to a midweek match despite being offered tickets for plenty of them. I used to love games under the floodlights, but they don't appeal much at all these days.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

That's a pretty good and fair summation. Generally, during the last three and a bit seasons, if I've been offered a ticket for a weekend game, I've gone along provided I haven't been away or had a gig scheduled. While weekends don't automatically equate to City anymore, I do enjoy the days out. However, apart from the game against Reading on a Friday night last season, I haven't yet been to a midweek match despite being offered tickets for plenty of them. I used to love games under the floodlights, but they don't appeal much at all these days.

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I've seen loads of people on here realise that it's quite freeing to have a Saturday where you're not automatically going to the football. Like I said it, it was me for a while but I'm properly back into it now. I used to just love going to the football but now it's more about the day with my mates, with football a part of it. I went on my own for a whole season one year because the two friends I used to go with moved away, I don't know if I'd do that now if I'm honest.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It was originally a point of principle as far as I was concerned. In my blog post of 17/08/2012, I wrote: "Of course, the Bluebirds hierarchy are under no obligation to consult with the fanbase on any issue. By the same token, the supporters are under no obligation to endorse the way in which the current regime is conducting its business. No doubt the vast majority of fans will carry on supporting the club regardless of recent events, but for some of us there is a principle at stake here. Cardiff City’s Malaysian owners have clearly demonstrated they are content to ignore the supporters and trample on the club’s traditions. Consequently, they will not be getting another penny from me."

However, while the position is still technically a point of principle, the truth of the matter is that I simply haven't had the desire to buy a ticket at any stage since the rebrand was reversed and my personal boycott effectively ended in January 2015. I get offered spare tickets on a regular basis on account of the fact that I have plenty of friends who are season ticket holders. If I have nothing else on my agenda, I take those tickets as I still love football, still enjoy watching the games, still enjoy the days out and very much enjoy catching up with everyone. But I also regularly turn down the offer of tickets as I'm either busy doing other things or I just don't fancy it for whatever reason.

If I genuinely felt inclined to buy a ticket I'd bite the bullet and do so, but so far I haven't felt that way. The occasional games have been enough.

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Well I understand those reasons, of course. My interest has returned but I didn't fly as near to the sun as you.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It was originally a point of principle as far as I was concerned. In my blog post of 17/08/2012, I wrote: "Of course, the Bluebirds hierarchy are under no obligation to consult with the fanbase on any issue. By the same token, the supporters are under no obligation to endorse the way in which the current regime is conducting its business. No doubt the vast majority of fans will carry on supporting the club regardless of recent events, but for some of us there is a principle at stake here. Cardiff City’s Malaysian owners have clearly demonstrated they are content to ignore the supporters and trample on the club’s traditions. Consequently, they will not be getting another penny from me."

However, while the position is still technically a point of principle, the truth of the matter is that I simply haven't had the desire to buy a ticket at any stage since the rebrand was reversed and my personal boycott effectively ended in January 2015. I get offered spare tickets on a regular basis on account of the fact that I have plenty of friends who are season ticket holders. If I have nothing else on my agenda, I take those tickets as I still love football, still enjoy watching the games, still enjoy the days out and very much enjoy catching up with everyone. But I also regularly turn down the offer of tickets as I'm either busy doing other things or I just don't fancy it for whatever reason.

If I genuinely felt inclined to buy a ticket I'd bite the bullet and do so, but so far I haven't felt that way. The occasional games have been enough.

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I can understand the boycott when the club changed to red. I was more a fan who reluctantly stayed on board rather than one who was in any way happy with it. There were varying reactions to it even in the group that I go with. Success always tempers the level of reaction to an extent.

You say though that he trampled on the club's traditions and this was your main reason for boycotting or saying that you would give no more money to the club. We can all agree that he did care little for tradition when he changed the kit colour. I would ask though, if we had stayed blue and changed the badge to the one we have now with the small dragon (bypassing the red fiasco) would you still be on board?

He has apologised, admitted he got it wrong and gone full circle save for the small dragon on the badge. Sam Hammam changed larger portions of the badge prior to Tan for example.
Or is it more a case of a man that is capable of ignoring the wish of the fans once is capable of it again for you?

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I've seen loads of people on here realise that it's quite freeing to have a Saturday where you're not automatically going to the football. Like I said it, it was me for a while but I'm properly back into it now. I used to just love going to the football but now it's more about the day with my mates, with football a part of it. I went on my own for a whole season one year because the two friends I used to go with moved away, I don't know if I'd do that now if I'm honest.

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I've noticed the attitude towards the club and football in general has shifted for a lot of City fans in recent years. A good number of friends who very rarely, if ever used to miss home games are now happy to miss matches in order to do other stuff or now go on holiday during the season when they never did that before.

I believe there are two reasons for that. Firstly, the rebrand altered the way a lot of people view the experience of supporting City. I'm obviously an extreme example of that, but I firmly believe it brought about a wide attitude shift within the club's fanbase. Secondly, the experiences of the two Premier League seasons seem to have taken away some of enthusiasm about getting there - a sort of been there, done that, it wasn't so great, not that bothered if we get back there type of scenario (if that makes sense).

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

I can understand the boycott when the club changed to red. I was more a fan who reluctantly stayed on board rather than one who was in any way happy with it. There were varying reactions to it even in the group that I go with. Success always tempers the level of reaction to an extent.

You say though that he trampled on the club's traditions and this was your main reason for boycotting or saying that you would give no more money to the club. We can all agree that he did care little for tradition when he changed the kit colour. I would ask though, if we had stayed blue and changed the badge to the one we have now with the small dragon (bypassing the red fiasco) would you still be on board?

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I said at the time that if a sizeable percentage of the fanbase had voiced genuine opposition to the changes, then I almost certainly would have been there supporting the team regardless of what colours they were playing in. Under those circumstances, I would have tried to use what little influence I had to bring about changes from the inside, as it were. However, I simply couldn't stomach the attitude of a large majority of the supporters. That, to me, was far more damaging than what the man from Malaysia was doing.

As far as I'm aware, Tan has never apologised for the rebrand or admitted that he got it wrong, although I'm happy to be corrected on that if any quotes from him either apologising or admitting his errors can be found.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Well I understand those reasons, of course. My interest has returned but I didn't fly as near to the sun as you.

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I never lost an interest, but I did lose the love I had for the club. The spell was broken. My fire and passion deserted me.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I've noticed the attitude towards the club and football in general has shifted for a lot of City fans in recent years. A good number of friends who very rarely, if ever used to miss home games are now happy to miss matches in order to do other stuff or now go on holiday during the season when they never did that before.

I believe there are two reasons for that. Firstly, the rebrand altered the way a lot of people view the experience of supporting City. I'm obviously an extreme example of that, but I firmly believe it brought about a wide attitude shift within the club's fanbase. Secondly, the experiences of the two Premier League seasons seem to have taken away some of enthusiasm about getting there - a sort of been there, done that, it wasn't so great, not that bothered if we get back there type of scenario (if that makes sense).

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For me that hits the nail on the head . I have been wondering why it doesn't destroy my weekend when we lose these days .
I have no interest in us getting back into the greedy league . I am old school and used to believe there was a chance for the underdog . There isnt in the greedy league unless you spend enough money . I enjoy the championship , my ambition for Cardiff is now curtailed so losing doesn't kill me .
Although I rarely miss a home game , I would have checked the fixtures before agreeing to anything on a Saturday . That is no longer the case .
The draw of the social event has almost come to equal the game itself .

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I said at the time that if a sizeable percentage of the fanbase had voiced genuine opposition to the changes, then I almost certainly would have been there supporting the team regardless of what colours they were playing in. Under those circumstances, I would have tried to use what little influence I had to bring about changes from the inside, as it were. However, I simply couldn't stomach the attitude of a large majority of the supporters. That, to me, was far more damaging than what the man from Malaysia was doing.

As far as I'm aware, Tan has never apologised for the rebrand or admitted that he got it wrong, although I'm happy to be corrected on that if any quotes from him either apologising or admitting his errors can be found.

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There was this TBF.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CardiffCity?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Car diffCity</a> owner Vincent Tan is celebrating the club's promotion to the Premier League - and he has a message for Bluebirds fans 👇 <a href="https://t.co/eb0SzeFLUk">pic.twitter.com/eb0SzeFLUk</a></p>&mdash; BBC Sport Wales (@BBCSportWales) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCSportWales/status/993223357301653505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by Baloo

There was this TBF.

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Fair enough. I missed that. That definitely counts as an admission of his mistake, but I wouldn't regard it as an apology. To be honest though, I don't think an apology would make any difference to anyone at this stage (or even at that stage). What was said and done in 2012/13/14 completely altered the way some of us regard both the club and football in general. I'm obviously an extreme case of that, although I know a number of people who were previously season ticket holders and avid supporters, but have never been back since 2012.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

There was this TBF.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CardiffCity?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardiff City</a> owner Vincent Tan is celebrating the club's promotion to the Premier League - and he has a message for Bluebirds fans �� <a href="https://t.co/eb0SzeFLUk">pic.twitter.com/eb0SzeFLUk</a></p>— BBC Sport Wales (@BBCSportWales) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCSportWales/status/993223357301653505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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I hadn't seen that, it's nice to see. We didn't do any of those things he hoped we'd do though, like, at all :hehe:

In the same way TLG has a problem with tan , I have a problem with TLG

About 6 years ago he texted me to say go and grab a Chinese and pop round the flat ! Its not a flat its more like a grotty student bedsit .

Anyway I go to the Chinese, pick up the takeaway

Go to his flat , ring the bell

He opens the door , takes the chinese off me

Shuts the door

Its all gone sour since then

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

In the same way TLG has a problem with tan , I have a problem with TLG

About 6 years ago he texted me to say go and grab a Chinese and pop round the flat ! Its not a flat its more like a grotty student bedsit .

Anyway I go to the Chinese, pick up the takeaway

Go to his flat , ring the bell

He opens the door , takes the chinese off me

Shuts the door

Its all gone sour since then

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Not sweet and sour then.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Not sweet and sour then.

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I think it was kung po chicken

Dreadful stuff

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I think it was kung po chicken

Dreadful stuff

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Did he pay for it

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I think it was kung po chicken

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Is that all you take away?:kev:

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Did he pay for it

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No , the ****

The football itself is 90 minutes in the middle of a good day out. I really have missed the whole package, the meeting with mates beforehand, the ‘one more pint and we’ll get a taxi’ or the ‘come on, hurry up, we’ll miss the football bus’. Seeing the people who sit by us, all seater stadia has given it a bit of a communal, matey feel, you get to know the folk around you in a non football way, if you get my drift. The few pints after the game, having a moan, even if we’ve won. Staying out a bit later than anticipated, I love it.
Away games, even earlier start, the banter on the bus, the ‘stop’ at the arranged dinner time, or usually earlier, pub. Being in that pub in a unique situation inasmuch as, due to it being so early, you know everyone in there, they’ve just travelled a few hours with you and have done every other week. The slightly merry last leg of the journey to the ground and on getting in seeing all the usual suspects under the stands boringly singing anti Swansea songs when we’re about to take on Nottingham Forest:facepalm: Good excuse for another moan and a few shouts of ‘Shut up ya knobs, forget Swansea, support The City’. Game over, back on the bus, slagging out the front seat DJ but still singing along to his choices. Saying the ‘Tara’s’ from Newport onto Cardiff, ‘Pint in town?’, ‘Aye, go on’. Staying out a bit later than anticipated, I love it!!!!

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Originally Posted by splott parker

The football itself is 90 minutes in the middle of a good day out. I really have missed the whole package, the meeting with mates beforehand, the ‘one more pint and we’ll get a taxi’ or the ‘come on, hurry up, we’ll miss the football bus’. Seeing the people who sit by us, all seater stadia has given it a bit of a communal, matey feel, you get to know the folk around you in a non football way, if you get my drift. The few pints after the game, having a moan, even if we’ve won. Staying out a bit later than anticipated, I love it.
Away games, even earlier start, the banter on the bus, the ‘stop’ at the arranged dinner time, or usually earlier, pub. Being in that pub in a unique situation inasmuch as, due to it being so early, you know everyone in there, they’ve just travelled a few hours with you and have done every other week. The slightly merry last leg of the journey to the ground and on getting in seeing all the usual suspects under the stands boringly singing anti Swansea songs when we’re about to take on Nottingham Forest:facepalm: Good excuse for another moan and a few shouts of ‘Shut up ya knobs, forget Swansea, support The City’. Game over, back on the bus, slagging out the front seat DJ but still singing along to his choices. Saying the ‘Tara’s’ from Newport onto Cardiff, ‘Pint in town?’, ‘Aye, go on’. Staying out a bit later than anticipated, I love it!!!!

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It is a fecking long day following city away

up at 7 , bus at 8

Back home at ten

Its a young man's game

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It is a fecking long day following city away

up at 7 , bus at 8

Back home at ten

Its a young man's game

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You’re right Sludge, I’m 65 now, 10/15 more years and I’m out mate:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

You’re right Sludge, I’m 65 now, 10/15 more years and I’m out mate:thumbup:

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When we were in the old fourth I would think nothing of trips to Scarborough, Halifax , Darlington , Bury , Rochdale , Lincoln etc

Now ? Not a chance

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

When we were in the old fourth I would think nothing of trips to Scarborough, Halifax , Darlington , Bury , Rochdale , Lincoln etc

Now ? Not a chance

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I’m not chucking the towel, I love it, you’re a long time looking at that lid, I’m desperate for life to return to normal. Football, weekends away, holidays the lot, life is for living.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

The football itself is 90 minutes in the middle of a good day out. I really have missed the whole package, the meeting with mates beforehand, the ‘one more pint and we’ll get a taxi’ or the ‘come on, hurry up, we’ll miss the football bus’. Seeing the people who sit by us, all seater stadia has given it a bit of a communal, matey feel, you get to know the folk around you in a non football way, if you get my drift. The few pints after the game, having a moan, even if we’ve won. Staying out a bit later than anticipated, I love it.
Away games, even earlier start, the banter on the bus, the ‘stop’ at the arranged dinner time, or usually earlier, pub. Being in that pub in a unique situation inasmuch as, due to it being so early, you know everyone in there, they’ve just travelled a few hours with you and have done every other week. The slightly merry last leg of the journey to the ground and on getting in seeing all the usual suspects under the stands boringly singing anti Swansea songs when we’re about to take on Nottingham Forest:facepalm: Good excuse for another moan and a few shouts of ‘Shut up ya knobs, forget Swansea, support The City’. Game over, back on the bus, slagging out the front seat DJ but still singing along to his choices. Saying the ‘Tara’s’ from Newport onto Cardiff, ‘Pint in town?’, ‘Aye, go on’. Staying out a bit later than anticipated, I love it!!!!

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Fcuk me this is how our age group remember it(if you are lucky) some of the best times of my life,be sides the Mrs kids.But they were the days.:ayatollah:

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I never lost an interest, but I did lose the love I had for the club. The spell was broken. My fire and passion deserted me.

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I understand your perspective. After the re-brand I am happy to support a blue Cardiff City regardless of how many divisions they descend to. Identity matters more than success

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Originally Posted by splott parker

You’re right Sludge, I’m 65 now, 10/15 more years and I’m out mate:thumbup:

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When I was reading your earlier post, about why you enjoy following the City, I just assumed you'd be in your 40's or thereabouts. Well done to you for keeping the 'fire burning'!
Not for you sitting in front of a fire wrapped up inside of a 'Big slipper', eh! (older members will probably remember this always advertised in the News Of The World)! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

When I was reading your earlier post, about why you enjoy following the City, I just assumed you'd be in your 40's or thereabouts. Well done to you for keeping the 'fire burning'!
Not for you sitting in front of a fire wrapped up inside of a 'Big slipper', eh! (older members will probably remember this always advertised in the News Of The World)! :hehe:

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He's a young 65, a bloody good builder and a top bloke
Spent many a good time in SPs company
An away day always involved one last pint🍺

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Originally Posted by olderblue

He's a young 65, a bloody good builder and a top bloke
Spent many a good time in SPs company
An away day always involved one last pint��

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Thanks Ian, hope your lot are keeping well, I’m just having a turn out before leaving for a lovely Saturday laying a patio. Looking forward to things getting back to normal and we can all get together again. Up The City:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

When I was reading your earlier post, about why you enjoy following the City, I just assumed you'd be in your 40's or thereabouts. Well done to you for keeping the 'fire burning'!
Not for you sitting in front of a fire wrapped up inside of a 'Big slipper', eh! (older members will probably remember this always advertised in the News Of The World)! :hehe:

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I do write in my 40s, act as though I’m in my 20s, it’s just that bleeding birth certificate that’s telling the truth:hehe:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Thanks Ian, hope your lot are keeping well, I’m just having a turn out before leaving for a lovely Saturday LAYING A PATIO Looking forward to things getting back to normal and we can all get together again. Up The City:thumbup:

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Hope you got a bloody big umbrella :hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

No , the ****

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