Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

It wasn't underground, it was an actual canal with barges on it.

It pointless trying to explain it, as it doesn't make any sense, even when you've tried to explain it.

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It wasn't a canal, it is a feeder for the Alexandra dock, built specifically from the Taff at blackweir to the dock to keep the water level up at low tides.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I suppose it depends where people want to be. Same thing was said when st marys street was pedestrianised. Greyfriars rd is central for the shops etc. Do you mean connecting bus routes, to the west of the city etc? Don't buses stop in Westgate st? Does the city circle bus still run? Incidentally, we do need a central bus station.

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Lovely isn't it, sending visitors to our wonderful city, to Sophia Gardens.

Just right to get mugged, walking into city centre in the dark.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

What is the point of a bus station where planned if the buses can't get to it without driving all the way round the outside of the city to get to it?
with regard to the pedestrianising of St Mary St (see what I did there?) at the time that occurred it was against the wishes of the traders, and the night before it was due to be passed the councilor responsible for planning it and pushing it through resigned just before a vote of no confidence in him was taken. That having happened they still proceeded. Totally stupid.
St Mary St now is dead compared to the people who used to visit the shops there 15 years ago. Another bit of the city ruined. And that demise feeds into the demise of Caste/Duke St and the Castle Arcade.

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Right, so i'm presuming that the bus station was planned to go back in it's original position? If so, then why would buses have to drive all the way round the city to get to it? There are access roads, and quite frankly, cardiff aint Mexico City. As for St Mary's St, do you have evidence of a drop off in trade due to the pedestrianisation? Not just anecdotal.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

with regard to the pedestrianising of St Mary St (see what I did there?)

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Nope.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

There was the Glamorganshire canal which, as you say, stops now north of the city. The other Cardiff canal is the feeder canal which was used to convey water from the River Taff to the docks. Not built for boats, it none the less qualifies as a 'canal'..

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Perhaps the Churchill Way “Canal” will be the new Chippy Lane in terms of naming controversy

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Originally Posted by goats

Not to mention the 20,30/000 houses they are already starting to build in the western suburbs, wanting to add another 100k to the existing population. From Radyr out to st fagans and creigiau it’s madness. No thought to infrastructure to get commuters in an already grid lock llantrisant rd or through fairwater.

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Agreed, although I'm happy enough living in the Rhondda, I'd still prefer to live in Cardiff if I could afford it, but I wasn't unhappy moving from Fairwater because it was easy to see what was coming and, as you say, it was bad enough before the building began.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Lovely isn't it, sending visitors to our wonderful city, to Sophia Gardens.

Just right to get mugged, walking into city centre in the dark.

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You're stretching it a bit now. How many tourists have been mugged or harassed due to the change? If you recall, the central bus station was frequented by some lovely characters, There was a problem there with male prostitution, alcoholics etc, i'd take my chances at Sophia gardens.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Nope.

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Neither did i.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Nope.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Neither did i.

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I'm still waiting on a translation as well (from a different post, may I add) :hehe:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Agreed, although I'm happy enough living in the Rhondda, I'd still prefer to live in Cardiff if I could afford it, but I wasn't unhappy moving from Fairwater because it was easy to see what was coming and, as you say, it was bad enough before the building began.

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Come on Bob, we all know that you're going to make a fortune from your book :hehe: I'm going to order it this evening :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

I'm still waiting on a translation as well (from a different post, may I add) :hehe:

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It's because he's so well travelled, overlapping of language and culture-LOM can speak 22 languages.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

The poster said if they restore the canal in Churchill way it will mess up the traffic at the end. I point out that if they only uncover what was originally uncovered it will not in fact disrupt the traffic. It always went underground before that point and re-emerged just north of Hurbert St as already mentioned. Any further explanation required, please ask.

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Herbert St, please, my mother used to live there:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Greyfriars rd is central for the shops etc.

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Greyfriars Road is also small, with one lane in each direction. It’s simply not big enough to be a hub for more than a handful of buses. They have nowhere to stop and wait. Therefore, the timetable has become a work of fiction. Also, drivers have nowhere to take their breaks, so when they are due one or they are knocking off from a shift they have to park the bus in the limited space on Greyfriars and take a ten minute trek across the city centre to their depot.

I’ve been using the buses from North Cardiff to get in and out of town on a very regular basis for all of my adult life. The services have never been so erratic and the system has never been less customer-friendly than it is at present. That’s not anecdotal. That’s my own experience.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Nope.

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It is St Mary St, not St Marys St.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Herbert St, please, my mother used to live there:thumbup:

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Sorry pardon!!!:hehe:

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

I'm still waiting on a translation as well (from a different post, may I add) :hehe:

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I gave you a translation, but whether you read it or not is different. And it still wasn't a canal, look at the google map. It is too small for barges and it goes nowhere. :hehe:

Unless you want something else explained of course.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Right, so i'm presuming that the bus station was planned to go back in it's original position? If so, then why would buses have to drive all the way round the city to get to it? There are access roads, and quite frankly, cardiff aint Mexico City. As for St Mary's St, do you have evidence of a drop off in trade due to the pedestrianisation? Not just anecdotal.

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Typical keyboarder, 'have you ant proof'. The proof is in your own eyes, go and look at the street. But to understand you have to know what it used to be like. Or you could ask the traders there, or perhaps better still the people who used to trade there an don't any more.
As close as makes no difference the bus station is in the same place. And buses coming from the north, which includes from the east and using Eastern Avenue, used to go through Kingsway, down Castle St along St Mary St, (but could go down Westgate St). They clearly cannot do that now so have to go down western Avenue Cardiff Road which is already almost permanently gridlocked, and down Cathedral Road. That's around the houses enough for me. for buses coming from the east of the city it is even worse.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

If they only restore what was it won't be. It never went that far above ground

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Can anyone understand this ?

"what was it won't be" ???????????

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Can anyone understand this ?

"what was it won't be" ???????????

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The poster said, "On the down side the southern end of Churchill Way is a main route for traffic, so yet an other pain in the backside for drivers trying to get across the city."
If they only uncover the part they covered it won't be a pain in the backside because the bit the poster was referring to was never uncovered in the first place.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Can anyone understand this ?

"what was it won't be" ???????????

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

The poster said, "On the down side the southern end of Churchill Way is a main route for traffic, so yet an other pain in the backside for drivers trying to get across the city."
If they only uncover the part they covered it won't be a pain in the backside because the bit the poster was referring to was never uncovered in the first place.

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Still, "what was it won't be" ?????

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Still, "what was it won't be" ?????

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OK, iIll fill in all the words for you, "If they only restore what was previously open then it will not be a pain in the backside for traffic at the end of Churchill Way because that was never open in the first place, it was always covered."

I'll put it in words of 1 syllable if you need me to. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Typical keyboarder, 'have you ant proof'. The proof is in your own eyes, go and look at the street. But to understand you have to know what it used to be like. Or you could ask the traders there, or perhaps better still the people who used to trade there an don't any more.
As close as makes no difference the bus station is in the same place. And buses coming from the north, which includes from the east and using Eastern Avenue, used to go through Kingsway, down Castle St along St Mary St, (but could go down Westgate St). They clearly cannot do that now so have to go down western Avenue Cardiff Road which is already almost permanently gridlocked, and down Cathedral Road. That's around the houses enough for me. for buses coming from the east of the city it is even worse.

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I'm struggling to understand you, sorry snaggs.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Greyfriars Road is also small, with one lane in each direction. It’s simply not big enough to be a hub for more than a handful of buses. They have nowhere to stop and wait. Therefore, the timetable has become a work of fiction. Also, drivers have nowhere to take their breaks, so when they are due one or they are knocking off from a shift they have to park the bus in the limited space on Greyfriars and take a ten minute trek across the city centre to their depot.

I’ve been using the buses from North Cardiff to get in and out of town on a very regular basis for all of my adult life. The services have never been so erratic and the system has never been less customer-friendly than it is at present. That’s not anecdotal. That’s my own experience.

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Sounds shit. Hopefully it'll improve when the new station is built.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I'm struggling to understand you, sorry snaggs.

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He needs to type his every post, proof read it two or three times and then press reply. Would get a point over a lot more coherently then. It seems as though he’s rushing through the words thinking they make sense but, sadly, failing.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Can anyone understand this ?

"what was it won't be" ???????????

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

The poster said, "On the down side the southern end of Churchill Way is a main route for traffic, so yet an other pain in the backside for drivers trying to get across the city."
If they only uncover the part they covered it won't be a pain in the backside because the bit the poster was referring to was never uncovered in the first place.

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Nope !

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I'm struggling to understand you, sorry snaggs.

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Which part of that are you struggling to understand?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

It's because he's so well travelled, overlapping of language and culture-LOM can speak 22 languages.

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What is that comment supposed to mean?
You know nothing about how well travelled I may or may not be, nor what languages I might speak.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Which part of that are you struggling to understand?

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Most of it. In fairness though, you do need some proof in order to state as fact that Trade has dropped of in an area. You can't just say 'say what you see', it's hardly credible.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

What is that comment supposed to mean?
You know nothing about how well travelled I may or may not be, nor what languages I might speak.

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It was a joke, apologies if it has offended you.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Most of it. In fairness though, you do need some proof in order to state as fact that Trade has dropped of in an area. You can't just say 'say what you see', it's hardly credible.

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In fairness to him, I visit HMV on Queen Street an average of once a week. I can guarantee you their trade has dropped off dramatically this year. I have no proof except for the fact that I'm often one of only two or three customers in there, whereas as it used to be reasonably busy most of the time.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

In fairness to him, I visit HMV on Queen Street an average of once a week. I can guarantee you their trade has dropped off dramatically this year. I have no proof except for the fact that I'm often one of only two or three customers in there, whereas as it used to be reasonably busy most of the time.

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I think that he's saying that trade drifted off on St Mary St when it was pedestrianised, however long ago that was, not since covid. That's what i'm getting, i could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Sounds shit. Hopefully it'll improve when the new station is built.

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I don't know how many weeks or months it is since the council closed Castle Street, but incredibly the bus shelters on Greyfriars Road still have little or no information on them as regards timetables or even which busses visit which stops. Having said that, such information would be largely pointless anyway as the busses aren't running to proper timetables and they often stop at different shelters as there is so little room for them to operate.

Every single day there are people wandering up and down the street asking for help as regards which busses stop where. It's pathetic.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I don't know how many weeks or months it is since the council closed Castle Street, but incredibly the bus shelters on Greyfriars Road still have little or no information on them as regards timetables or even which buses visit which stops. Having said that, such information would be largely pointless anyway as the buses aren't running to proper timetables and the often stop at different shelters as there is so little room for them to operate.

Every single day there are people wandering up and down the street asking for help as regards which buses stop where. It's pathetic.

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That's piss poor. People need to complain about it. get on to their councilor, Email the transport department of the local authority. I'd be ****ed if i'd put up with a shit service every day without some answers.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

That's piss poor. People need to complain about it. get on to their councilor, Email the transport department of the local authority. I'd be ****ed if i'd put up with a shit service every day without some answers.

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Those of us who use the busses regularly know the score. My bus is fairly frequent and leaves from approximately the same place every day, so I'm usually alright. However, I do feel sorry for any infrequent visitors and particularly the elderly, who are usually the people wandering around desperately looking for their stop.

I've got no evidence other than what I see every day, but the numbers of people in the city centre have definitely diminished again during the last month or so and the numbers of people on the buses have dropped too. Obviously there are lots of factors involved but the piss-poor service can't help. Cardiff city centre is a pretty grim place to visit at the moment for those who have to be there. I can't imagine many doing it out of choice at present.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Those of us who use the busses regularly know the score. My bus is fairly frequent and leaves from approximately the same place every day, so I'm usually alright. However, I do feel sorry for any infrequent visitors and particularly the elderly, who are usually the people wandering around desperately looking for their stop.

I've got no evidence other than what I see every day, but the numbers of people in the city centre have definitely diminished again during the last month or so and the numbers of people on the buses have dropped too. Obviously there are lots of factors involved but the piss-poor service can't help. Cardiff city centre is a pretty grim place to visit at the moment for those who have to be there. I can't imagine many doing it out of choice at present.

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I was in the City Centre an hour or so ago, it was quiet, much quieter than usual. It's Covid, and the fact that anyone from the surrounding areas are not allowed to visit.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

It is St Mary St, not St Marys St.

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Ahh right. I thought it may have had something to you with you using the word "pedestrianising" instead of 'pedestrianisation'.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

It wasn't a canal, it is a feeder for the Alexandra dock, built specifically from the Taff at blackweir to the dock to keep the water level up at low tides.

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It was a feeder canal. As you know canals are man made waterways for boats to travel inland or to convey water from a to b......in this case from the river Taff to the docks

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

That's piss poor. People need to complain about it. get on to their councilor, Email the transport department of the local authority. I'd be ****ed if i'd put up with a shit service every day without some answers.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

It was a feeder canal. As you know canals are man made waterways for boats to travel inland or to convey water from a to b......in this case from the river Taff to the docks

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It was never known as a canal. Only as the feeder. Besides the dock it also fed the castle moat. It was never designed for boats and is far to small for a canal boat. Besides which it doesn't go anywhere.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

It was never known as a canal. Only as the feeder. Besides the dock it also fed the castle moat. It was never designed for boats and is far to small for a canal boat. Besides which it doesn't go anywhere.

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Until the Council decided they wanted to gentrify (or whatever) Churchill Way I’ve never heard of anyone referring to the Docks Feeder as a canal. It has always been the “feeder”

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

It was never known as a canal. Only as the feeder. Besides the dock it also fed the castle moat. It was never designed for boats and is far to small for a canal boat. Besides which it doesn't go anywhere.

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Can I suggest that you Google Cardiff feeder and see what comes up. I just did and Cardiff parks came up first.....They call it the Feeder Canal...Yes I know people call it 'the feeder' but it is a canal.

Canals don't have to have boats on them. It was built by Bute to move water from the Taff to the docks to manage the water levels in the basins. It used to move about 50million gallons a day.