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I have a theory, those who hold right wing beliefs or love their style of football being a bloke toe punting the ball 50 yards are more likely to hate Maradona. Accept feedy, cos he took Diego out on a massive bender in Cuba (probably)Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Have to disagree with you there. Shilton was a brilliant keeper, who could have capped off his career with a world cup winners medal.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
He has always said what a brilliant player Maradona was, but could never forgive him for that handball.
It was obvious as soon as DM died yesterday Shilton was gonna be interviewed, and asked those sort of questions.question. At least he stuck to his guns and wasn’t a hypocrite.
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Originally Posted by NYCBlue
He did not cheat!!
Just watched Shilton on the news, how embarrassing moaning that Maradona never, ever apologised to him. No matter what standard of football it is, if the ref gives a goal the scorer celebrates, Shilton was a pro footballer for God’s sake, how would he have felt in a World Cup quarter final had Lineker did the same but then refused to accept the goal, telling the ref that he’d handled? If he’s any type of pro he’d be livid, the fans would have berated Lineker as well, you take what ever advantage you can. We were fuming at Anfield but I certainly didn’t expect Joe Jordan to approach the ref with, “I’m so sorry referee it was me that handled the ball, you’ve made a mistake, it’s, in fact, a Welsh free kick” whilst turning to his team mates and his bench saying, “Sorry chaps but I cannot accept the penalty decision”. And as I’ve mentioned before the likes of The Sun would have had a field day had Gascoigne scored such a goal, they’d have revelled in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
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Originally Posted by William Treseder
I wonder if Shilton if he saved a penalty but moved off his line whilst doing so ever apologised to the taker if the save was deemed ok?
I’ve always wondered how the fcuk almost everyone in the stadium saw it except the ref and 2 linesmen. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Maradona himself made a good point where he said if there was a shot that Shilton looked like he saved but he knew himself that it went over the line, would he stop the game and say that was a goal. Would he bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I get what you're saying about the questions he would have been asked in interviews but the man's just died, it's over, it wouldn't take much to say "it doesn't matter now, he was a fantastic player and my thoughts go out to his loved ones"Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
That would show true character. Didn't take him long to get that article written either
I hate this sort of shit. Why on earth should Shilton or anyone else be obliged to say such a thing? Indeed, what does it matter what Shilton says? Maradona was a brilliant footballer, but he was also a complex character and, for many people, not a particularly likeable one. He's dead. Millions of his fellow countrymen will mourn his death as if he was some sort of messiah. Millions of other people will feel a bit sad because he was once great at playing football. Millions couldn't care less. It's not compulsory to have any thoughts for his family or his loved ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
I wonder what El Diego would have thought or said about Shilton if the latter had died this week? Would he have been respectful or reverential when questioned by the press? Who knows, but I somehow doubt it.
As for suggesting that goal doesn't matter now, the fact of the matter is that it was one of the defining moments of Shilton's career, and Maradona's for that matter.
By the way, I think Shilton's a prick, but not because of anything he's said about Maradona.
One of the reasons I've never been too bothered either way by Maradona's character is that I've always strongly believed that those who were would change their opinions of him completely if he had represented their team. In this respect, I'm thinking particularly of tabloid newspapers. There are the occasional instances of good sportsmanship to the detriment of your team in professional football which come tp mind (e.g. DeCanio stopping play when he could have scored a match winning goal late on in a game at Everton and Fowler trying to persuade the ref not to give a penalty for a foul on him in an Arsenal v Liverpool game), but there aren't many of them.
Maradona cheated in the same way as ninety per cent (at the very least) of his fellow pros would have done that day against England, so why should he be denied the praise he is now due because of that? My judgement of him as being the best footballer I've seen is based entirely on what he could do with a ball and not on a character assessment.
Most probably was one of the most embarrassing as well as defining moments of Shilton’s long career (too long really, scrubbing about for clubs in his 40s) an international renowned goalkeeper being outjumped by a comparative midget in front of millions. Type of thing that if it happened on the parks the goalie would still be having the piss ripped out of him for quite a while. Shilton doesn’t seem to be a particularly nice character, he gets no sympathy from me and his “Maradona was a great footballer but............” cuts no ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I don’t think he’s looking for any sympathy from you, is he?Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
It's a standard comment for someone in the public eye after a death. Bitch about him as much as you want at home, but the public statement is something textbook like delmbox suggested,Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The reason is, in Shilton's case, that it doesn't leave him open to thousands of people laughing at how bitter he is at something that happened half a lifetime ago. I'm quite sure he is genuinely bitter but he doesn't gain anything by putting it out there. Again.
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Originally Posted by lardy
God I feel old :cry:
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
‘Phoned me last night, the whinging c*nt!!
Imagine the outpouring of ex professionals , fans , countries , when CR7 pops his clogs
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm sick of hearing the English media and ex England players criticise Maradona following his death regarding the "Hand of God". <br><br>This video shows the English kicking the little guy all over the pitch. Strangly we don't often see these pictures from the English media. <a href="https://t.co/bjCfB1gGF4">pic.twitter.com/bjCfB1gGF4</a></p>— �������� ���� (@GregABZ03) <a href="https://twitter.com/GregABZ03/status/1332246228038455297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Exactly right
Every footballer has cheated in their careers to gain an advantage
Happens every game these days with diving, simulation, asking refs to book a player, time wasting, feigning injury.................and more
That's just how football was back then, doesn't really justify the hand ball (though I'm not complaining about England losing)Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
The Fenwick elbow was a bit more than that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
He's not obliged to do anything, I just think he had two options when asked about Maradona's death - saying something like that or bringing up an occurence that happened in a game of football 30 years ago. Option A would have made him look good, Option B made him look like a churlish prick. His choice of course, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
It might be of interest to some, it might not for others.
https://www.theguardian.com/football...cast-his-spell
Edited for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
ooh good oneQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
The point is that many of those who already didn't like Shilton are likely to have taken umbrage with him saying anything detrimental about Maradona. Meanwhile, those who either like him or whose views somehow tally with his would respect him for being honest, while most people couldn't care less either way.
Personally, I think Shilton's a tool in most regards. However, I really detest all of the fake 'for the public' reactions and the faux respect or grief people tend to express whenever somebody famous snuffs it. I much prefer honesty to insincerity, whatever form it takes or whoever is expressing it.
To be fair I don't actually disagree with you about fake outpourings of grief, it's just I think he's come across pretty small and churlish by talking about a handball a day after the guy's died, and I think if he wanted to avoid that then he could haveQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I didn't see what shilton had to say, but if he's still pissed about getting done by Maradona then that's up to him (obviously) he's got every right to express that. I would hope though, that he's at least concede that maradona was most certainly the best player of a generation and arguably the greatest player to have ever played the game, that's an absolute fact, and Shilton, as a professional, could at least attempt to separate the handball from maradona's ability. If he didn't do that, then he is a prized prick in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The article concerned began as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
"My life has long been linked with that of Diego Maradona and not in the way I would have liked, but I am saddened to hear of his passing at such a young age. He was undoubtedly the greatest player I ever faced and my thoughts are with his family."
I've absolutely no problem with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The police are now searching the home and private clinic of the Doctor Maradona used in order to establish that there wasn't any 'Negligence' involved in his death-on the instruction of Maradona's Daughters. I knew that this would turn into a circus.
It’s a nonsense to say that’s how it was back then anyway. That’s no excuse. They tried to boot him off the park because he was too good for them. Why is that morally any better or any less cheating than the handball?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
**** Peter Shilton. He also tried to make Ray Clemence death about him too the big headed prick.
When he states that there’s usually a “but” at the end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
If he's written an article for the paper, I guess we can add cashing in on maradonas death to the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman