Vaccine rollout in wales

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

On the subject of ventilation, I’ve had my kitchen and bathroom windows open all winter. My cat thinks it’s great because she can come and go as she pleases, but I find the icicles on the taps and shower a nuisance - if the COVID doesn’t’ get me, the frostbite will.

Those comparable vaccinations figures between Wales and England are a concern - no wonder Vaughan Gething was coming out with rubbish about the WAG not releasing figures earlier in the week.

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Ventilation is only necessary if you have lots of people visiting.

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Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez

Ventilation is only necessary if you have lots of people visiting.

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Or an incontinent cat

Prince Phillip and the Queen are done, we can all rest a bit easier now

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Originally Posted by goats

Prince Phillip and the Queen are done, we can all rest a bit easier now

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I do not like them but they did wait their turn :xmashomer:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Or an incontinent cat

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Cat piss is evil

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Cat piss is evil

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That’s why he leaves his windows open, Covid ventilation indeed!!!!!

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Originally Posted by splott parker

That’s why he leaves his windows open, Covid ventilation indeed!!!!!

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Cat shit

What the feck are those cat litter trays ?

Piles of steaming cat crap left around peoples houses whilst they sit watching the telly eating a take away

Never mind covid

Cat shit is going to kill you

People who have cats have smelly houses

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Originally Posted by goats

Prince Phillip and the Queen are done, we can all rest a bit easier now

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Originally Posted by jeepster

I do not like them but they did wait their turn :xmashomer:

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If they lived in Wales they'd probably still be waiting their turn.

The apparent problems in Wales are due to political failings and poor communication as much as anything. Drakeford’s crass comment on the vaccine roll out yesterday “it’s not a sprint” does nothing to allay the fears of the people about the competence of our political leaders.

I think the NHS in Wales is doing everything they can to get the vaccines into peoples arms as rapidly as possible but are not helped by issues of limited vaccine supply. Also Wales may be targeting frontline health and social care workers more than other home nations meaning the over-80s would likely be marginally delayed? The commencement of the roll out of the AstraZeneca vaccine to GP surgeries this week should rapidly improve this situation.

Communications in Wales do need to be improved. Every GP surgery in Cardiff and the Vale has now signed up to the mass vaccination programme but you wouldn’t know this if you visited my GP practice website which only has an out of date message from December stating they are not part of the vaccination plan so please don’t call!

If politicians choose to use the vaccination programme as a means of courting good publicity then they deserve to be criticised when the roll out doesn’t match their grand pronouncements. But this is a political failure, not an NHS one. The NHS is working flat out and needs everyone’s support to make the vaccine roll out a success.

See that Germany has broken EU Protocol by procuring extra vaccines despite Von Der Leyen’s proclamations.

Hope that Ireland can manage to as well.

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Originally Posted by Delbert

The apparent problems in Wales are due to political failings and poor communication as much as anything. Drakeford’s crass comment on the vaccine roll out yesterday “it’s not a sprint” does nothing to allay the fears of the people about the competence of our political leaders.

I think the NHS in Wales is doing everything they can to get the vaccines into peoples arms as rapidly as possible but are not helped by issues of limited vaccine supply. Also Wales may be targeting frontline health and social care workers more than other home nations meaning the over-80s would likely be marginally delayed? The commencement of the roll out of the AstraZeneca vaccine to GP surgeries this week should rapidly improve this situation.

Communications in Wales do need to be improved. Every GP surgery in Cardiff and the Vale has now signed up to the mass vaccination programme but you wouldn’t know this if you visited my GP practice website which only has an out of date message from December stating they are not part of the vaccination plan so please don’t call!

If politicians choose to use the vaccination programme as a means of courting good publicity then they deserve to be criticised when the roll out doesn’t match their grand pronouncements. But this is a political failure, not an NHS one. The NHS is working flat out and needs everyone’s support to make the vaccine roll out a success.

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It’s not a sprint....I bet those over 70 who haven’t left the house since March enjoyed that remark

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Originally Posted by Delbert

The apparent problems in Wales are due to political failings and poor communication as much as anything. Drakeford’s crass comment on the vaccine roll out yesterday “it’s not a sprint” does nothing to allay the fears of the people about the competence of our political leaders.

I think the NHS in Wales is doing everything they can to get the vaccines into peoples arms as rapidly as possible but are not helped by issues of limited vaccine supply. Also Wales may be targeting frontline health and social care workers more than other home nations meaning the over-80s would likely be marginally delayed? The commencement of the roll out of the AstraZeneca vaccine to GP surgeries this week should rapidly improve this situation.

Communications in Wales do need to be improved. Every GP surgery in Cardiff and the Vale has now signed up to the mass vaccination programme but you wouldn’t know this if you visited my GP practice website which only has an out of date message from December stating they are not part of the vaccination plan so please don’t call!

If politicians choose to use the vaccination programme as a means of courting good publicity then they deserve to be criticised when the roll out doesn’t match their grand pronouncements. But this is a political failure, not an NHS one. The NHS is working flat out and needs everyone’s support to make the vaccine roll out a success.

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Im really disappointed with Mark Drakeford's attitude and crass comments too. On Friday he said that he doesn't know how much Pfizer vaccine Wales has( it's about 150,000 doses), and has only two weeks data on how much Oxford vaccine is coming. Then he says 20 GP practices are on stream to vaccinate, increasing to 75 this week, and up to 200 by the end of February!!

Have a look at BBC News website for Scotland, approx twice the population of Wales. They have 500,000 doses of Oxford vaccine to use in January ( which means Wales would have about half that amount)and 1,100 GP practices and vaccination sites already set up.

What does it mean in the real world. In Scotland and England the top three priority groups will be vaccinated by Mid February. In Wales, even if we double what we are doing now it will take until May.

Currently we have an awful death rate from Covid in Wales, worse in UK, per head of population. We have hospitals on their knees, we have two vaccines that can stop all of this....and ' It's not a sprint".....Thank you Mark Drakeford

The lady in charge of the vaccine programme in Wales was interviewed on Radio 5 on Friday morning and I switched the radio off when she replied that "it was not a competition" when, legitimately, asked why Wales is lagging behind the other home nations when it comes to getting people vaccinated. Therefore, it would seem that there is something of a standard response to these questions among the people in power in Wales - if it really takes until May for the first three groups to get vaccinated in Wales, then that will, surely, result in them being voted out just as the fourth group start getting their jabs weeks after the rest of the country.

What an insensitive and politically damaging thing to say!

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The lady in charge of the vaccine programme in Wales was interviewed on Radio 5 on Friday morning and I switched the radio off when she replied that "it was not a competition" when, legitimately, asked why Wales is lagging behind the other home nations when it comes to getting people vaccinated. Therefore, it would seem that there is something of a standard response to these questions among the people in power in Wales - if it really takes until May for the first three groups to get vaccinated in Wales, then that will, surely, result in them being voted out just as the fourth group start getting their jabs weeks after the rest of the country.

What an insensitive and politically damaging thing to say!

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They want to get rid of us old buggers first so the state pension is reduced. In all honesty it seems over the past few months Drakeford & Co., have taken a leaf out of Bozo’s book.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The lady in charge of the vaccine programme in Wales was interviewed on Radio 5 on Friday morning and I switched the radio off when she replied that "it was not a competition" when, legitimately, asked why Wales is lagging behind the other home nations when it comes to getting people vaccinated. Therefore, it would seem that there is something of a standard response to these questions among the people in power in Wales - if it really takes until May for the first three groups to get vaccinated in Wales, then that will, surely, result in them being voted out just as the fourth group start getting their jabs weeks after the rest of the country.

What an insensitive and politically damaging thing to say!

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We seem to be struggling with distribution and not surprised because Wales Gov wants to keep it all in house and have the NHS and Wales Blood service distributing. Im sure they manage on normal days to day stuff but they wouldn't have experience of anything on this scale.

Shame is there is an expert medicines wholesaler specialising in distributing direct to GP surgeries, the biggest in UK and its based here in one of the South Wales valleys.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

We seem to be struggling with distribution and not surprised because Wales Gov wants to keep it all in house and have the NHS and Wales Blood service distributing. Im sure they manage on normal days to day stuff but they wouldn't have experience of anything on this scale.

Shame is there is an expert medicines wholesaler specialising in distributing direct to GP surgeries, the biggest in UK and its based here in one of the South Wales valleys.

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All this is part if a wider failure in performance of health , education, infrastructure that has been ongoing for decades , and this now manifests itself when we are in times of crises .

Drak

If it takes until May for the WG to vaccinate the first group and England does it by mid February then Drakeford and Gethin shouldnt even stand in the elections. They would have to resign.

Ive never voted in the assembly elections but would have to make a point and try to vote them out if they stood .

The same applies in England. I think Johnson and Hancock should be out anyway with their complete mismanagement. But this one fail again on the February target they should do the same. Resign.

Hopefully both do this by mid Feb.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

If it takes until May for the WG to vaccinate the first group and England does it by mid February then Drakeford and Gethin shouldnt even stand in the elections. They would have to resign.

Ive never voted in the assembly elections but would have to make a point and try to vote them out if they stood .

The same applies in England. I think Johnson and Hancock should be out anyway with their complete mismanagement. But this one fail again on the February target they should do the same. Resign.

Hopefully both do this by mid Feb.

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The February target is not to have the first 4 tranches completed by Mid February but to offer those in the 4 groups vaccine appointments by Mid February. Both Johnson and Hancock have made such clarifications. However it was foolish of the government to make such promises as they have a record of over promising and under delivering.

The number of vaccines completed on a daily basis in England will be published from tomorrow. Presumably the Welsh figures will also be published.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

The February target is not to have the first 4 tranches completed by Mid February but to offer those in the 4 groups vaccine appointments by Mid February. Both Johnson and Hancock have made such clarifications. However it was foolish of the government to make such promises as they have a record of over promising and under delivering.

The number of vaccines completed on a daily basis in England will be published from tomorrow. Presumably the Welsh figures will also be DOCTORED..

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FYP

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Originally Posted by Vindec

The February target is not to have the first 4 tranches completed by Mid February but to offer those in the 4 groups vaccine appointments by Mid February. Both Johnson and Hancock have made such clarifications. However it was foolish of the government to make such promises as they have a record of over promising and under delivering.

The number of vaccines completed on a daily basis in England will be published from tomorrow. Presumably the Welsh figures will also be published.

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Pretty sure I heard or read somewhere that daily figures would be available for Wales from tomorrow- they certainly should be if they are in England. The WAG have had a pretty easy ride in the Welsh media up to now, but they should be hammered on this if the figures remain as poor as they have been up to now.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The lady in charge of the vaccine programme in Wales was interviewed on Radio 5 on Friday morning and I switched the radio off when she replied that "it was not a competition" when, legitimately, asked why Wales is lagging behind the other home nations when it comes to getting people vaccinated. Therefore, it would seem that there is something of a standard response to these questions among the people in power in Wales - if it really takes until May for the first three groups to get vaccinated in Wales, then that will, surely, result in them being voted out just as the fourth group start getting their jabs weeks after the rest of the country.

What an insensitive and politically damaging thing to say!

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I did have some sympathy for drakeford as it’s one hell of a job, but if they can’t sort this out efficiently whilst taking away all our freedoms then what do they expect people to think? Talk about dangerling a carrot of hope to people......he’s going to lose the respect of most and that’s dangerous.

I think the poor performance of Wales so far has something to do with the fact that up to now only the Pfizer jab has been available and there simply are insufficient refrigeration facilities in Wales to hold this vaccine in the required quantities. However, with the Oxford vaccine coming on stream, the shortage of refrigeration should not be an issue.

One possible drawback in Wales is that they do not appear to be using the army to work with the NHS to plan the logistics. I could be wrong there but the Brigadier in charge of logistics at a recent Press Conference deliberately made the point that he was working only with authorities in England.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

If it takes until May for the WG to vaccinate the first group and England does it by mid February then Drakeford and Gethin shouldnt even stand in the elections. They would have to resign.

Ive never voted in the assembly elections but would have to make a point and try to vote them out if they stood .

The same applies in England. I think Johnson and Hancock should be out anyway with their complete mismanagement. But this one fail again on the February target they should do the same. Resign.

Hopefully both do this by mid Feb.

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There’s more chance of City winning the Championship under Harris than that lot getting things right.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

What a politically damaging thing to say!

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She's not a politician tbf to her.

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

She's not a politician tbf to her.

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I was referring to Drakeford’s “this is not a sprint” remark, but “this is not a competition” is not too different and suggests a pre agreed response to a certain line of questioning It just strikes me as flippant and very ill advised.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Briefly popping back in with a more cheerful thought. If we've vaccinated a million 80+ year olds, 60% of whom would be infected in an unmitigated epidemic, if the first jab gives 80% protection, given an IFR of 10% in that age group we've just saved 48,000 lives.<br><br>Moar plz.</p>&mdash; Oliver Johnson (@BristOliver) <a href="https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1348239480524840964?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Drakeford is a fool for saying "this is not a sprint".

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Originally Posted by Vindec

I think the poor performance of Wales so far has something to do with the fact that up to now only the Pfizer jab has been available and there simply are insufficient refrigeration facilities in Wales to hold this vaccine in the required quantities. However, with the Oxford vaccine coming on stream, the shortage of refrigeration should not be an issue.

One possible drawback in Wales is that they do not appear to be using the army to work with the NHS to plan the logistics. I could be wrong there but the Brigadier in charge of logistics at a recent Press Conference deliberately made the point that he was working only with authorities in England.

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The Pfizer jab is a bit quirky regarding distribution but should not be a problem. In Wales -70c storage means the vaccine is held in two sites, I know not where. From there the vaccine can be moved around for up to 5 days at fridge temperature. It comes as a frozen powder a vial containing five doses. Once the powder has thawed it needs to diluted. So far nothing too difficult. Once diluted the 5 dose vial must be used within 6 hours. With dilution it must not be vigourously agitated, but must gently rotated to get the powder dissolved. Once in liquid form it cannot be transported by a motor vehicle ( because the transport might cause agitation)....so in effect it should be diluted at the place it is going to be used, like say a nursing/ care home.
In practice a team should be able to move into a nursing home/ village hall etc. and get going. With a bit of forward planning it should not be a problem.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I was referring to Drakeford’s “this is not a sprint” remark, but “this is not a competition” is not too different and suggests a pre agreed response to a certain line of questioning It just strikes me as flippant and very ill advised.

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And it's not just the lives at risk. The sooner the majority get vaccinated the sooner shops, pubs, football stadiums, etc open again and life gets back to normal

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

The Pfizer jab is a bit quirky regarding distribution but should not be a problem. In Wales -70c storage is in two sites, I know not where. From there the vaccine can be moved around for up to 5 days at fridge temperature. It comes as a frozen powder a vial containing five doses. Once the powder has thawed it needs to diluted. So far nothing too difficult. Once diluted the 5 dose vial must be used within 6 hours. With dilution it must not be vigourously agitated, but must gently rotated to get the powder dissolved. Once in liquid form it cannot be transported by a motor vehicle ( because the transport might cause agitation)....so in effect it should be diluted at the place it is going to be used, like say a nursing/ care home.
In practice a team should be able to move into a nursing home/ village hall etc. and get going. With a bit of forward planning it should not be a problem.

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Christ your talking of Drakeford & Co., do you expect miracles? We could all be dead by May and he’d still be saying it’s not a sprint.

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

Christ your talking of Drakeford & Co., do you expect miracles? We could all be dead by May and he’d still be saying it’s not a sprint.

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BBC News Wales website....Wales has given just 50,000 doses since 8 December out of the 270,000 doses it has received. At last some honesty from them. Shame on Drakeford and Gething for trying to hide this from us for so long

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

The Pfizer jab is a bit quirky regarding distribution but should not be a problem. In Wales -70c storage means the vaccine is held in two sites, I know not where. From there the vaccine can be moved around for up to 5 days at fridge temperature. It comes as a frozen powder a vial containing five doses. Once the powder has thawed it needs to diluted. So far nothing too difficult. Once diluted the 5 dose vial must be used within 6 hours. With dilution it must not be vigourously agitated, but must gently rotated to get the powder dissolved. Once in liquid form it cannot be transported by a motor vehicle ( because the transport might cause agitation)....so in effect it should be diluted at the place it is going to be used, like say a nursing/ care home.
In practice a team should be able to move into a nursing home/ village hall etc. and get going. With a bit of forward planning it should not be a problem.

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Thanks for that. Bang goes my theory. That's the last time I shall look for reasons to defend Drakeford and Co.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

BBC News Wales website....Wales has given just 50,000 doses since 8 December out of the 270,000 doses it has received. At last some honesty from them. Shame on Drakeford and Gething for trying to hide this from us for so long

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Incredible if true and time to step aside.....

Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board (Bridgend, RCT, Merthyr) have published their vaccination statistics to 7th January and the planned delivery of vaccine for next week https://cwmtafmorgannwg.wales/wp-con...e-08-01-21.pdf

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

BBC News Wales website....Wales has given just 50,000 doses since 8 December out of the 270,000 doses it has received. At last some honesty from them. Shame on Drakeford and Gething for trying to hide this from us for so long

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Originally Posted by goats

Incredible if true and time to step aside.....

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50k up to 3 January
Be interesting to see what the total is now that theyve been giving the Oxford vaccine this week. My other half had hers on Thursday at Cwmbran stadium and said it was really busy.

Up to 70,000 now and Vaughan Gething promising a "really significant step up" from now on;-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55605111

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Up to 70,000 now and Vaughan Gething promising a "really significant step up" from now on;-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55605111

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So now on par or marginally ahead of Englands roll out?

They have no excuse for this , they knew they were having the vaccine delivered and should have been planning for that weeks ago
This lot couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, because they know they're going to keep their jobs anyway they have a complete contempt for the general public
I don't want to hear Drakeford or chippy answering that they won't get into that when asked a difficult question
We need answers as a right not because they don't fancy handling a straight question.
On the hole the Welsh Journos have given them a free ride and almost act in a sycophantic manner to the them, it was only the guy from WOL, who actually started pressing for answers last week

If it wasn't for us being compared to the other home nations, there wouldn't be so many complaints.

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

So now on par or marginally ahead of Englands roll out?

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Slightly below England but near enough.

I think a lot of you have fallen for the machismo of Johnson and his acolytes. Promising a million of this and a million of that.
Just to remind you, so far the UK Government has just about fecked everything they have done during the coronavirus crisis and dont get me started on brexit.
I will be the first to call out Drakeford if he fecks up the vaccination roll out, but just because he is not making grand promises does not mean he is behind the curve. I will see what happens over next week or so before I jump on the Anti Welsh Government bandwagon.