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BLUETIT
Director of Football, WHY ! They already have their committee in place and want to go down the road of buying younger players to bring the age of the squad down. Plus possibly earn cash from sell ons.
One thing to add to this was that they feel theyve recently brought additional "football knowledge' into the club in David Hughes and also someone who used to be at Arsenal who is now leading our recruitment department (or a similar role). Suggestions that whilst Harris brought both Ng and Watters to the table; was partially the reason behind a shift in our transfer activity in this window. Can't remember the guys name off top of my head.
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ninian opinian
Very good write up.
Whatever the limits of participation or of notice, and regardless of whether we agree with the Board on some or all issues, it is good to see the club doing this sort of wide ranging meeting.
Long overdue but welcome.
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Divine Wright
https://www.90min.com/posts/6272660-...premier-league
I think even this list is a bit dated....I think pretty much every Premier League team and probably the majority of Europe's elite teams have a DOF.
Saying a DOF is a waste of money is a bit like saying that you don't need a good dietician or sports psychologist.
..........I hope Mehmet and Choo are right and the rest of Europe's top teams are wrong.
As I alluded to earlier, the attitude towards the transfer Committee described in this thread by those who were at the meeting is suggestive of a degree of complacency and self satisfaction on the subject which is hardly merited by our record when it comes to new signings in the time since the Committee was set up (i believe it was in either Ole or Slade's time in charge).
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Did anyone ask about rebate on season tickets for this season?
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Armitage Shanks
Did anyone ask about rebate on season tickets for this season?
Not specifically but the subject of 21/22 season tickets was raised and Ken Choo stated that they had not decided on the subject yet. An answer I was a little surprised at.
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ccfcwelshlad
One thing to add to this was that they feel theyve recently brought additional "football knowledge' into the club in David Hughes and also someone who used to be at Arsenal who is now leading our recruitment department (or a similar role). Suggestions that whilst Harris brought both Ng and Watters to the table; was partially the reason behind a shift in our transfer activity in this window. Can't remember the guys name off top of my head.
In fairness the actual job titles aren't as important as having people at the club doing the right kind of things.
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Divine Wright
https://www.90min.com/posts/6272660-...premier-league
I think even this list is a bit dated....I think pretty much every Premier League team and probably the majority of Europe's elite teams have a DOF.
Saying a DOF is a waste of money is a bit like saying that you don't need a good dietician or sports psychologist.
..........I hope Mehmet and Choo are right and the rest of Europe's top teams are wrong.
yes it's a bit out of date I think, and not all of the DoF in here do exactly the same kind of thing, it is pretty compelling that pretty much every club that has kicked on in recent years has done so by taking a longer term approach than the average tenure of a manager (about 18 months)
if you leave everything up to the manager they know that in 18 months they'll be in another club most likely, so whey aren't incentiveised to do anything other than a quick fix.
worth noting that none of the DoF on that list are grizzled former managers either.
people were suggesting Warnock as a DoF this time last year ffs
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Rjk
In fairness the actual job titles aren't as important as having people at the club doing the right kind of things.
Welshlad is the poster I would trust more than anyone else on here when it comes to inside info at the club and I'm not accusing him of anything here, but, if it were me representing City at that meeting and I knew that we'd recently appointed a new Head of Recruitment or something similar, I would make sure that I mentioned it - odd that it wasn't.
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the other bob wilson
Welshlad is the poster I would trust more than anyone else on here when it comes to inside info at the club and I'm not accusing him of anything here, but, if it were me representing City at that meeting and I knew that we'd recently appointed a new Head of Recruitment or something similar, I would make sure that I mentioned it - odd that it wasn't.
Sorry Paul my original post wasn't clear; I was at the meeting so no inside knowledge here!!
I'm pretty sure I'm not making up (:hehe:) but it's strange that no-one else has mentioned it. It seemed almost a throwaway comment from Choo; that we had brought someone on-board. There was a conversation around the lack of DoF. Dalman suggested that we potentially didn't need one; and then Choo started talking about the fact that David Hughes had been brought in for additional football knowledge and to allow the previous academy manager to focus on other areas of running the academy. He then made an additional comment about bringing someone in some sort of recruitment capacity. I'm sure there was a connection with Arsenal, the name Baddiel sounds right because I immediately thought of Baddiel and Skinner at the time but I potentially could've misheard. That part of the conversation then switched to Ng and Watters and were suggested as evidence of our change in tact on transfers (though was made clear that Harris was fully on-board with both).
Maybe I dreamt it :hehe:.
I wasn't able to make the meeting until last minute due to something coming up at work so didn't really take any notes, etc as was a little rushed.
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ccfcwelshlad
Sorry Paul my original post wasn't clear; I was at the meeting so no inside knowledge here!!
I'm pretty sure I'm not making up (:hehe:) but it's strange that no-one else has mentioned it. It seemed almost a throwaway comment from Choo; that we had brought someone on-board. There was a conversation around the lack of DoF. Dalman suggested that we potentially didn't need one; and then Choo started talking about the fact that David Hughes had been brought in for additional football knowledge and to allow the previous academy manager to focus on other areas of running the academy. He then made an additional comment about bringing someone in some sort of recruitment capacity. I'm sure there was a connection with Arsenal, the name Baddiel sounds right because I immediately thought of Baddiel and Skinner at the time but I potentially could've misheard. That part of the conversation then switched to Ng and Watters and were suggested as evidence of our change in tact on transfers (though was made clear that Harris was fully on-board with both).
Maybe I dreamt it :hehe:.
I wasn't able to make the meeting until last minute due to something coming up at work so didn't really take any notes, etc as was a little rushed.
Thanks very much for the reply - so having given you the big build up, maybe it's not best to take what you say as the absolute truth this time :hehe::thumbup:
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just looking on the club's linked in page, which if it's as up to date as mine is probably meaningless, but there's a guy called Tim Henderson in a "head of scouting" role, previously at Swansea in between 2012-2018 as head of player recruitment
joined in Apr 2019.
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Dorcus
So Vinny had a "good" offer to sell the club but didn't budge?
It would be really interesting and helpful if it were revealed why he did not sell.
Is it a) because he wants a "great" offer and a "good" offer falls way short? (If so, he's inhabiting cloud cuckoo land once again, just like he did with his whacko red idea!)
Or, b) because he's still got some sort of weird and wonderful plan to hoist Cardiff into a top top club on a shoestring budget and with a dearth of good personnel at the helm?
Or, c) is he indulging some deep rooted Freudian obsession?
Whichever way he doesn't feel inclined to share the big picture with us mere fans. Are we all just stuck in limbo with him and his inner demons?
You obviously have no respect whatsoever for a man who saved this club from bankruptcy and has bankrolled it for the last 8/9 years, during a period of unprecedented success. He is also currently keeping it going to the tune of £3m a month and has converted most of his debt to equity. You should get down on your knees and thank god that he has been here, rather than posting snidey remarks about him. PS. Why should he tell you or anyone else why he didn't want to sell the club. He has already hoisted Cardiff City into the Premier League on a shoestring budget - twice - but apparently thats still not good enough for some.
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BLUETIT
You obviously don't know me :hehe: WTF is POWERPOINT ????
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ccfcwelshlad
Sorry Paul my original post wasn't clear; I was at the meeting so no inside knowledge here!!
I'm pretty sure I'm not making up (:hehe:) but it's strange that no-one else has mentioned it. It seemed almost a throwaway comment from Choo; that we had brought someone on-board. There was a conversation around the lack of DoF. Dalman suggested that we potentially didn't need one; and then Choo started talking about the fact that David Hughes had been brought in for additional football knowledge and to allow the previous academy manager to focus on other areas of running the academy. He then made an additional comment about bringing someone in some sort of recruitment capacity. I'm sure there was a connection with Arsenal, the name Baddiel sounds right because I immediately thought of Baddiel and Skinner at the time but I potentially could've misheard. That part of the conversation then switched to Ng and Watters and were suggested as evidence of our change in tact on transfers (though was made clear that Harris was fully on-board with both).
Maybe I dreamt it :hehe:.
I wasn't able to make the meeting until last minute due to something coming up at work so didn't really take any notes, etc as was a little rushed.
This is exactly how I heard/took, it. You are correct in every way.
PS:----- It was to long for me to print out, I only cover basics, then let others fill in the spaces :hehe: I can't remember the Arsenal's fella name either
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dml1954
You obviously have no respect whatsoever for a man who saved this club from bankruptcy and has bankrolled it for the last 8/9 years, during a period of unprecedented success. He is also currently keeping it going to the tune of £3m a month and has converted most of his debt to equity. You should get down on your knees and thank god that he has been here, rather than posting snidey remarks about him. PS. Why should he tell you or anyone else why he didn't want to sell the club. He has already hoisted Cardiff City into the Premier League on a shoestring budget - twice - but apparently thats still not good enough for some.
Are you some sort of joke or what?
Get down on my knees you ridiculous idiot? Who do you think this guy is, Mother Teresa in disguise? He's a businessman whose motives are transactional, he gets something out of the club by putting in. It may not always be financial reward, it can be for reasons of elevating status and ego massaging which for many business people are reasons enough for starting a project.
Some of us have supported Cardiff City for years and we too have a stake in the club as a lifetime emotional investment. I would say ethically the owner of the club has an obligation to keep the fans informed of his long term intentions and plans for the club.
I'm surprised to see that no one else has picked up on the fact the chap admitted he's had what he classified as a "good" offer for the club so what is he looking for? If he's holding out for a better offer then I think he may be waiting an awful long time. If he's reluctant or unable to fund the club sufficiently to develop it then it might be a good idea to sell up. If on the other hand he genuinely felt the credentials of the person (s) making this offer were doubtful why didn't he say it? That would only boost his popularity I'd say.
I've said previously I think you're Mehmet Dalman so my question to you is why do you think two promotions resulting in two instant relegations leaving us in a weaker position is anything to gloat about?
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ccfcwelshlad
Sorry Paul my original post wasn't clear; I was at the meeting so no inside knowledge here!!
I'm pretty sure I'm not making up (:hehe:) but it's strange that no-one else has mentioned it. It seemed almost a throwaway comment from Choo; that we had brought someone on-board. There was a conversation around the lack of DoF. Dalman suggested that we potentially didn't need one; and then Choo started talking about the fact that David Hughes had been brought in for additional football knowledge and to allow the previous academy manager to focus on other areas of running the academy. He then made an additional comment about bringing someone in some sort of recruitment capacity. I'm sure there was a connection with Arsenal, the name Baddiel sounds right because I immediately thought of Baddiel and Skinner at the time but I potentially could've misheard. That part of the conversation then switched to Ng and Watters and were suggested as evidence of our change in tact on transfers (though was made clear that Harris was fully on-board with both).
Maybe I dreamt it :hehe:.
I wasn't able to make the meeting until last minute due to something coming up at work so didn't really take any notes, etc as was a little rushed.
I think the name was Kevin Bodell and that his name was in the local media a few months as having been brought into the club but haven`t had time to search for the article concerned.
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Since62
I think the name was Kevin Bodell and that his name was in the local media a few months as having been brought into the club but haven`t had time to search for the article concerned.
You remembering Kevin helped :hehe:. Beadell*
Mentioned in this article - "Head of emerging talent" - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-huge-19313417
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BLUETIT
This is exactly how I heard/took, it. You are correct in every way.
PS:----- It was to long for me to print out, I only cover basics, then let others fill in the spaces :hehe: I can't remember the Arsenal's fella name either
:hehe: - did honestly start thinking that I had dreamt it.
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ccfcwelshlad
Does anyone know what 'head of emerging talent' means? Is it recruitment to the Academy, or something wider than that?
The club website doesn't show Tim Henderson (scouting?) or Kevin Beadell (head of emerging talent) on its' management or club staff pages.
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ccfcwelshlad
Watch out Beadell's about
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Dorcus
If he's reluctant or unable to fund the club sufficiently to develop it then it might be a good idea to sell up.
The contradiction here is plain as day. If you owned a business that was draining your funds, why wouldn't you sell it ? Cut your losses.
If his investments are fuelled solely by his love for the club , the city and its people, why the **** does he trample all over its identity and not engage in any way whatsoever with its supporters ?
I think, and this is only judging him on his actions, that he wants to own the club outright, have complete control, get it into the premier league and gain great notoriety back in Malaysia and around the world.
The problem is with such singleminded people, they will never be put off and will never be swayed from attaining their goal. Even when it is clear to everyone else that they lack the know-how to achieve this goal.
I think he has the means to keep the club bumbling along. But he will never build anything because he doesn't understand how to build something like this. He doesn't understand football, the people or the club. And neither does Mehmet for that matter.
Just to be clear , we are not talking about dishing out money, we are talking about running a football club.
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Divine Wright
The contradiction here is plain as day. If you owned a business that was draining your funds, why wouldn't you sell it ? Cut your losses.
If his investments are fuelled solely by his love for the club , the city and its people, why the **** does he trample all over its identity and not engage in any way whatsoever with its supporters ?
I think, and this is only judging him on his actions, that he wants to own the club outright, have complete control, get it into the premier league and gain great notoriety back in Malaysia and around the world.
The problem is with such singleminded people, they will never be put off and will never be swayed from attaining their goal. Even when it is clear to everyone else that they lack the know-how to achieve this goal.
I think he has the means to keep the club bumbling along. But he will never build anything because he doesn't understand how to build something like this. He doesn't understand football, the people or the club. And neither does Mehmet for that matter.
Just to be clear , we are not talking about dishing out money, we are talking about running a football club.
Great response, and you stated the issue better than I ever did!
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Divine Wright
The contradiction here is plain as day. If you owned a business that was draining your funds, why wouldn't you sell it ? Cut your losses.
If his investments are fuelled solely by his love for the club , the city and its people, why the **** does he trample all over its identity and not engage in any way whatsoever with its supporters ?
I think, and this is only judging him on his actions, that he wants to own the club outright, have complete control, get it into the premier league and gain great notoriety back in Malaysia and around the world.
The problem is with such singleminded people, they will never be put off and will never be swayed from attaining their goal. Even when it is clear to everyone else that they lack the know-how to achieve this goal.
I think he has the means to keep the club bumbling along. But he will never build anything because he doesn't understand how to build something like this. He doesn't understand football, the people or the club. And neither does Mehmet for that matter.
Just to be clear , we are not talking about dishing out money, we are talking about running a football club.
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Vincent Tan is the best owner I have seen at this club since I started going to Ninian Park in 1968. The amount of money he has put in has been absolutely phenomenal. Other clubs that have owners who milk the club, or put them under like Macclesfield, Bury etc. Other owners have devious schemes of the club they own selling the ground to the owner, i think Derby and Sheffield Wednesday? Let's see how that works out for them. Tan has done none of those things, lent the club money and charged interest then written off the interest and lots of debt. We should be grateful to have him.
Football wise though, he has done well, appointed Trollope and got rid very quickly. Got Warnock in who steadied the ship and got us up, and then was poor for the PL season until he got sacked, after spending a fortune too. We have been appointing managers who were not working when the job was offered so no fees to pay out to tother clubs. Harris was OK that's it, very good after the restart but it's been terrible this season. Now McCarthy who I am sure will steady the ship and take us forward and I expect if he does well he will stay. We could have appointed a young manager who wants to develop young players and play a certain way but we don't know if it would work and we can't afford to be relegated to find out.
Mick McCarthy will get us in to the top half this season I reckon and he and the club will get my full support. I do think the club needs a 'football' man in the boardroom though, who will tell them when their are being screwed over by a club or agent when negotiating deals. And who'd work with the manager on building th e squad properly, not like Warnock's rash spending.
Admittedly a lot his spending could have been avoided and we haven't been great as a club when spending money and giving our big contracts. But we don't know how hard it is to attract players to Cardiff and therefore may have to pay more to get the players. Some of the contracts handed out have been ludicrous, like Smithies and others if the reports on salaries are true. And giving new contracts to Connolly, Bamba and Tomlin seem to be poor decision making. And the fees paid on Madine, Flint, Cunningham, Murphy and others. all transfer fees have now been devalued in the current iconic climate anyway.
Given what Tan has done it is fair to think that Dalman is a bit arsey about barbed comments about the club. It's a very difficult time at the moment as we know and still Tan keeps putting money in. A lot of clubs WILL fall by the wayside in the next year or so if the current Covid-19 situation continues.
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Is anyone actually ungrateful for Tan's financial input? One might be indifferent or cynical but surely the only issue is the way the club is being run and if we have some kind of long term plan.
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A fascinating read on impact of COVID on a PL club & effect of trying to stabilise in PL.
For #twitterblades i estimate our wage bill for last year to be circa 35-38m.
Brighton's wage bill is 101m just to stay in the league.
It's staggering.
Additionally the cost in transfer fees to put together Brighton's squad is over 200m. Forget quality of what they have a second.
On a sheer numbers level it's staggering the investment required to stay in the league. Burnley obvious outlier but they are more exception than rule
https://twitter.com/Blades_analytic/...39369700745218
Club better start thinking longer term as price of potential survival in premier league is only going to increase. Investing in youth, scouting and backroom staff/coaching staff development should be the aim.
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cardiff55
Vincent Tan is the best owner I have seen at this club since I started going to Ninian Park in 1968. The amount of money he has put in has been absolutely phenomenal. Other clubs that have owners who milk the club, or put them under like Macclesfield, Bury etc. Other owners have devious schemes of the club they own selling the ground to the owner, i think Derby and Sheffield Wednesday? Let's see how that works out for them. Tan has done none of those things, lent the club money and charged interest then written off the interest and lots of debt. We should be grateful to have him.
Football wise though, he has done well, appointed Trollope and got rid very quickly. Got Warnock in who steadied the ship and got us up, and then was poor for the PL season until he got sacked, after spending a fortune too. We have been appointing managers who were not working when the job was offered so no fees to pay out to tother clubs. Harris was OK that's it, very good after the restart but it's been terrible this season. Now McCarthy who I am sure will steady the ship and take us forward and I expect if he does well he will stay. We could have appointed a young manager who wants to develop young players and play a certain way but we don't know if it would work and we can't afford to be relegated to find out.
Mick McCarthy will get us in to the top half this season I reckon and he and the club will get my full support. I do think the club needs a 'football' man in the boardroom though, who will tell them when their are being screwed over by a club or agent when negotiating deals. And who'd work with the manager on building th e squad properly, not like Warnock's rash spending.
Admittedly a lot his spending could have been avoided and we haven't been great as a club when spending money and giving our big contracts. But we don't know how hard it is to attract players to Cardiff and therefore may have to pay more to get the players. Some of the contracts handed out have been ludicrous, like Smithies and others if the reports on salaries are true. And giving new contracts to Connolly, Bamba and Tomlin seem to be poor decision making. And the fees paid on Madine, Flint, Cunningham, Murphy and others. all transfer fees have now been devalued in the current iconic climate anyway.
Given what Tan has done it is fair to think that Dalman is a bit arsey about barbed comments about the club. It's a very difficult time at the moment as we know and still Tan keeps putting money in. A lot of clubs WILL fall by the wayside in the next year or so if the current Covid-19 situation continues.
Tan is possibly both the best and worst owner we have ever had.
