Having the stick/dap in school

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Do you remember Tex the automechanic teacher walking around the play ground tapping a steel pipe , I liked Mr Webb PE Teacher and his murder ball moments .

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`You boys,get the hell out of here' lol. Thats all you could here booming down the corridor from Tex.Can you remember Skinny Gwynnie?

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Howard Richards hit hard,and the mad Mr Franklyn was a twat.

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Didn't Franklyn get beaten up by one of his pupils ?

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Originally Posted by alfie

`You boys,get the hell out of here' lol. Thats all you could here booming down the corridor from Tex.Can you remember Skinny Gwynnie?

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I was never taught by Tex but I remember one very hot day when one of the boys fried an egg on the bonnet of his car, a blue Rover I believe. I think he was from Omaha, Nebraska.

I do remember Gwynnie. In fact I was scrolling through a load of ancient school photos online and came upon one with all the Llanrumney H S teachers on. And yes he's on there.

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

As I said earlier I detested the man, even though I was never caned by him. He always smelled of a mixture of menthol sweets and cigarette smoke. But it was his horrible teaching methods that will stay with me forever.

I thought Mr Ford, Mr Edmunds, Rocco Richards, Mr Kelly and a few others were excellent teachers by comparison.

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Rocco was a top man,was Mr Kelly the maths teacher.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Rocco was a top man,was Mr Kelly the maths teacher.

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Rocco gave me shit because i chose to play for the school football team instead of the rugby.He made me do a couple of laps around the field and when i finished he made me do press ups in front of all the boys. Another swine you would not like the dap off.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Rocco was a top man,was Mr Kelly the maths teacher.

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History. My nemesis Kavanagh taught maths.

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

History. My nemesis Kavanagh taught maths.

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Was mrs Baird french there she used to wear very short skirts:tongue:

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Was mrs Baird french there she used to wear very short skirts:tongue:

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Indeed she was and yes she did wear short skirts. Some of the lads used to drop pencils on the floor so they could have a good look up her skirt when they picked them up ! M
Ma Jones was my French teacher.

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

Indeed she was and yes she did wear short skirts. Some of the lads used to drop pencils on the floor so they could have a good look up her skirt when they picked them up ! M
Ma Jones was my French teacher.

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Thats true because i was one of them

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Originally Posted by alfie

Thats true because i was one of them

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Me too

I've never had a teacher that gave the dap that didn't give me the dap. Bunch of rugby ***** from Cyncoed. Racist, sexist bullies. It never bothered me at the time. But looking back, I find it quite shocking how unfit they were to be educators.

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Originally Posted by elytillidie

We had plain clothes nuns towards the end of my time in Mostyn, but the ones before that, in their all black habits, were amongst the most violent people I've met. They'd come at you like a stealth bomber, wimple billowing in their rage, and whack you across the knuckles with the side of the ruler. Mr Rooney the woodwork teacher had a wooden bat labelled 'Central Heating' which he'd whack you across the arse with. I got sent to the headmaster about 30 minutes after my Mum had left; she'd been summoned to hear about my misbehaviour, boy did I get thrashed. It was bad, because kids from a nearby class were later asking me what I'd done to deserve that.

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sounds like you came across sister mary michael and her mate:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

:hehe::hehe: that happened quite often, our Geography teacher was also like a Jack forward, 20 shots, 1 on target

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I think I got away with a fair bit in school because I was considered a “good boy” - I was far from the worst behaved, but definitely not among the best. The irony is that I was blameless when I was caned for the only time.

It was on the day England played Romania in the 1970 World Cup and a group of about six of us were having a kick about during the lunch break. We were using a full size plastic ball and one of my mates miskicked it on to the window of the headmaster’s room.

Cantonian’s headmaster was “Motho” Davies who had been there for years and had a fearsome reputation, so we feared the worst when he opened the window and told us to come to his room - it was a measure of how much he was feared that none of us thought to run away as soon as the ball hit the window or that we would take a “wrong turn” on the way to his office.

We were quaking in our boots while we waited outside his room, but when we called in, he surprised us by asking if we were going to watch the game later on and we proceeded to talk about football for a few minutes (that was a surprise as well because he was thought of very much as a rugby man). We thought we were going to get away with it, but then reached for his cane and asked us who had kicked the ball against the window, none of us answered and so he proceeded to whack all of us on the backside once.

It didn’t hurt anywhere as much as I expected it to and down the years, I wondered if Motho’s heart was in it - he retired a couple of years later and maybe he was tired of doling out the canings (he certainly had administered plenty of them down the years).

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When he was younger Motho was a very enthusiastic thrasher. Hand or arse he didn’t care. He went for it like it was some form of gold medal attempt.
Canton High School for Boys 1964-69. Semper sursum.

In 4th form in one term I was beaten by him on five separate occasions. He kept promising me that he would teach me something (aside from Poetry and Latin)

How to endure pain has been a very valuable life lesson that has stayed with me over the years

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Originally Posted by poc

sounds like you came across sister mary michael and her mate:hehe:

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That was one of the thugs; done by a nun eh? :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Do you remember Tex the automechanic teacher walking around the play ground tapping a steel pipe , I liked Mr Webb PE Teacher and his murder ball moments .

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That surely has to be Graham Webb? He used to be our PE teacher at Glantaf, before it changed to a Welsh school.
He was a good 'un - still holds the Welsh triple jump record I believe.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

That surely has to be Graham Webb? He used to be our PE teacher at Glantaf, before it changed to a Welsh school.
He was a good 'un - still holds the Welsh triple jump record I believe.

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Spider was my favourite teacher at Llanrumney. I deliberately fouled him once whilst playing football. He waiting for me to get the ball again and whacked me in retaliation but did it with a smile on his face. I thought he was great and yes I think he was a triple jumper.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

That surely has to be Graham Webb? He used to be our PE teacher at Glantaf, before it changed to a Welsh school.
He was a good 'un - still holds the Welsh triple jump record I believe.

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Just found out a lot more about him. He's still on the Cardiff Athletics committee, has just successfully undergone a kidney transplant and been voted their Hero of the Month for Feb 2021. There's a pic of him too.

He represented Wales in the triple jump at the 1970 Commonwealth Games and was the Wales under-17 record holder for 26 years.

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Originally Posted by elytillidie

That was one of the thugs; done by a nun eh? :thumbup:

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the pair were brutal:frown:think it was an underlying sex fantasy though:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

Just found out a lot more about him. He's still on the Cardiff Athletics committee, has just successfully undergone a kidney transplant and been voted their Hero of the Month for Feb 2021. There's a pic of him too.

He represented Wales in the triple jump at the 1970 Commonwealth Games and was the Wales under-17 record holder for 26 years.

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He was at our school in the early/mid seventies, he used to wear his Wales representative tracksuit all the time while taking PE lessons.

As I said, he was a decent guy and good fun.

I missed out on this kind of thing happening by a few years, but there were teachers still teaching who had doled out this kind of punishment.

nowadays I can't even imagine it. if any teacher whacked one of my kids with a stick I'd be straight up the school to kick their arse.
I don't think school kids are any worse behaved these days despite this kind of punishment being taken away, in my experience kids today are a lot more polite and sociable than I ever was as a grumpy teenager.

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Originally Posted by poc

the pair were brutal:frown:think it was an underlying sex fantasy though:hehe:

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Well you did say that you came over them, you’d have got in terrible trouble for wanking over a nun in Lady Mary and rightly so in my opinion:yikes:

As the corporal punishment pain was so agonising; why did so many of you transgress so many times? I don’t get it as would have thought that once would have been more than enough.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I missed out on this kind of thing happening by a few years, but there were teachers still teaching who had doled out this kind of punishment.

nowadays I can't even imagine it. if any teacher whacked one of my kids with a stick I'd be straight up the school to kick their arse.
I don't think school kids are any worse behaved these days despite this kind of punishment being taken away, in my experience kids today are a lot more polite and sociable than I ever was as a grumpy teenager.

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You a having a laugh about kids being polite these days. I got on a bus when my van broke down which was crowded and there were eldely women standing. Do you think they would get up and offer them their seat,fat chance. When i was young if you were not polite to grown ups you had a leathering with a belt. People might say that is wrong but if my old man was still alive today i'd shake him by the hand for it. It taught me manners. As a teacher you can comment as you see them everyday,i can only comment on what i see.

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Originally Posted by Stanmore Bluebird

As the corporal punishment pain was so agonising; why did so many of you transgress so many times? I don’t get it as would have thought that once would have been more than enough.

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If it was the same 'offence' committed each time you would have a point but it wasn't. There could be a number of reasons why corporal punishment was given. Even well behaved kids (and I consider myself to have been one) were sometimes in the wrong place at the wrong time and ended up getting the stick. And, as has been pointed out by many on here, some of the teachers were psycho and liked nothing better than to live up to their reputations.

If corporal punishment was outlawed by the time you went to school, you should consider yourself lucky. Very few of us were badly behaved (except Tuerto, who apparently was a very naughty boy !) but that didn't prevent us facing the dreaded cane.

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

If it was the same 'offence' committed each time you would have a point but it wasn't. There could be a number of reasons why corporal punishment was given. Even well behaved kids (and I consider myself to have been one) were sometimes in the wrong place at the wrong time and ended up getting the stick. And, as has been pointed out by many on here, some of the teachers were psycho and liked nothing better than to live up to their reputations.

If corporal punishment was outlawed by the time you went to school, you should consider yourself lucky. Very few of us were badly behaved (except Tuerto, who apparently was a very naughty boy !) but that didn't prevent us facing the dreaded cane.

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At one time Mostyn consisted of Upper and Lower School (old Cyntwell), we often had to commute between the two for different lessons. One day, unsure as to where we were supposed to be for some reason, maybe a teachers absence, us boys started kicking a ball around. When we were discovered, every single one of us were caned. One particularly well behaved lad nigh on passed out, had to be seated till he recovered, poor sod. Don't think it did us any long term damage though.

Moodybluebird, I actually left school in 1972 after A levels. Attended Whitchurch Grammar which turned comprehensive in my 4th year there. As I wrote much earlier in this thread, the cane was used very sparingly as most of my peers wanted a good education with a sound job to follow. We were basically there to learn and well behaved. I was out of my depth somewhat in the top set and had to concentrate all the time when up against my classmates who were generally brighter than me!

Corporal punishment may have been used more in the growing number of lower sets and the increased quantity of classes each year upon becoming comprehensive - I don’t know.

Heolddu Comp. English teacher (Miss Why) sent me to the head (Ceri Edwards) for writing "Dad said, get out of bed you lazy bugger' in an essay. Don't think either dad or myself knew what the dictionary definition was until we were both lectured on it after I refused the cane!

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

If it was the same 'offence' committed each time you would have a point but it wasn't. There could be a number of reasons why corporal punishment was given. Even well behaved kids (and I consider myself to have been one) were sometimes in the wrong place at the wrong time and ended up getting the stick. And, as has been pointed out by many on here, some of the teachers were psycho and liked nothing better than to live up to their reputations.

If corporal punishment was outlawed by the time you went to school, you should consider yourself lucky. Very few of us were badly behaved (except Tuerto, who apparently was a very naughty boy !) but that didn't prevent us facing the dreaded cane.

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Sometimes it didn't take anything at all. We had a music teacher at St. Illtyd's by the name of Mr. Watkins. We dubbed him "Whacker Watkins." At the beginning of every class he would randomly select three pupils to come down and get one swipe across the rear with his bamboo cane. Random. A warning to everyone else to behave. Must admit it was effective as we sat there quietly and obediently pondering the inner meaning of Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf.

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Originally Posted by jimmyscoular

Sometimes it didn't take anything at all. We had a music teacher at St. Illtyd's by the name of Mr. Watkins. We dubbed him "Whacker Watkins." At the beginning of every class he would randomly select three pupils to come down and get one swipe across the rear with his bamboo cane. Random. A warning to everyone else to behave. Must admit it was effective as we sat there quietly and obediently pondering the inner meaning of Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf.

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That is just so wrong. Reading some of the instances of unjustified punishment on here, it is a surprise that more parents didn't turn up at school and flatten some of the teachers.

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Originally Posted by alfie

You a having a laugh about kids being polite these days. I got on a bus when my van broke down which was crowded and there were eldely women standing. Do you think they would get up and offer them their seat,fat chance. When i was young if you were not polite to grown ups you had a leathering with a belt. People might say that is wrong but if my old man was still alive today i'd shake him by the hand for it. It taught me manners. As a teacher you can comment as you see them everyday,i can only comment on what i see.

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It's always been like that and always will be. The madest thing I think is old ***** always whinge about it as if it was actually different in their day when they were actully little bastrds too. Someone being an abusive **** with a belt is much worse than not giving up a seat ffs.

I'm in my 30s and kids are no worse now than they were 20 years ago and from the stories I've heard off my old man and his old man things have probably changed for the better.

Always makes me think of this quote, madness that anyone actually thinks like this.

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AUTHOR: Socrates (469–399 B.C.)
QUOTATION: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

That is just so wrong. Reading some of the instances of unjustified punishment on here, it is a surprise that more parents didn't turn up at school and flatten some of the teachers.

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In those days, if I came home and told my parents I had been caned they would have presumed I deserved it. I doubt if many kids even told their parents for the same rreason.
Having worked in Schools, some parents are up at the drop of a hat these days.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It's always been like that and always will be. The madest thing I think is old ***** always whinge about it as if it was actually different in their day when they were actully little bastrds too. Someone being an abusive **** with a belt is much worse than not giving up a seat ffs.

I'm in my 30s and kids are no worse now than they were 20 years ago and from the stories I've heard off my old man and his old man things have probably changed for the better.

Always makes me think of this quote, madness that anyone actually thinks like this.

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But have they changed for the better? I can double your age and more and im sure my age group would agree that they haven't. Sure we used to get up to no good but not on the scale of todays younger generation. Kids today are smart,they know what they can get away with where as we could not.I would argue the fact that in my day we had more respect than they have today. As for being abusive,it didn't do me any harm and was a deterrent. I was lucky as i never had to beat my kids as i found another alternative.

This has been an interesting thread. Corporal punishment is one of those issues where I have always been able to see both sides. I don't like it, but neither do I like obnoxious, disruptive kids making it impossible for everyone else to learn. As I look back to those long-ago high school days I remember relatively few disrupted classes. Most teachers had their ways of maintaining order. I recall a newly arrived English teacher (prime material for abuse) warning us that he had served in North Africa during WWII with the famous Desert Rats and that he would tolerate no nonsense. He never had a problem. A gentle French teacher, however, suffered terribly. Every class was like something out of St. Trinian's — totally out of control. Some kids earned their whacks.

When I was at school (late sixties, early seventies) most of the teachers seemed to be disciplinarians and were punitive in nature - but a French teacher came along who was a complete wonder. His name was Ravvi Mooneeram. He was an Indian ethnic gentleman from Mauritius and he taught at Cyntwell Secondary School. He was revolutionary in that he injected fun and humour into his teaching and even used to talk to us occasionally in Welsh just to confuse us. The guy oozed personality and positivity.
I left Cyntwell after two years but I never forgot him. In fact, when my mother died I realised that we should express to those people who left a positive mark on us how we felt about them. I looked up his name in the telephone book and spoke to what seemed a younger gentleman who wanted to know why I was ringing. It turned out to be Mr Mooneeram's son and his dad had died a few days before.
His son took some comfort in my words but I should have tried to make contact and thanked his Dad decades earlier.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

When I was at school (late sixties, early seventies) most of the teachers seemed to be disciplinarians and were punitive in nature - but a French teacher came along who was a complete wonder. His name was Ravvi Mooneeram. He was an Indian ethnic gentleman from Mauritius and he taught at Cyntwell Secondary School. He was revolutionary in that he injected fun and humour into his teaching and even used to talk to us occasionally in Welsh just to confuse us. The guy oozed personality and positivity.
I left Cyntwell after two years but I never forgot him. In fact, when my mother died I realised that we should express to those people who left a positive mark on us how we felt about them. I looked up his name in the telephone book and spoke to what seemed a younger gentleman who wanted to know why I was ringing. It turned out to be Mr Mooneeram's son and his dad had died a few days before.
His son took some comfort in my words but I should have tried to make contact and thanked his Dad decades earlier.

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What a great story!

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

When I was at school (late sixties, early seventies) most of the teachers seemed to be disciplinarians and were punitive in nature - but a French teacher came along who was a complete wonder. His name was Ravvi Mooneeram. He was an Indian ethnic gentleman from Mauritius and he taught at Cyntwell Secondary School. He was revolutionary in that he injected fun and humour into his teaching and even used to talk to us occasionally in Welsh just to confuse us. The guy oozed personality and positivity.
I left Cyntwell after two years but I never forgot him. In fact, when my mother died I realised that we should express to those people who left a positive mark on us how we felt about them. I looked up his name in the telephone book and spoke to what seemed a younger gentleman who wanted to know why I was ringing. It turned out to be Mr Mooneeram's son and his dad had died a few days before.
His son took some comfort in my words but I should have tried to make contact and thanked his Dad decades earlier.

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Great teachers do leave a mark on you, John Williams, one of Lady Mary’s finest, passed away recently, I’m so glad that I’d had a pint with him now and again in The Royal Oak post school days.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Great teachers do leave a mark on you, John Williams, one of Lady Mary’s finest, passed away recently, I’m so glad that I’d had a pint with him now and again in The Royal Oak post school days.

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Quite a few bad teachers left a mark on me too.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

That surely has to be Graham Webb? He used to be our PE teacher at Glantaf, before it changed to a Welsh school.
He was a good 'un - still holds the Welsh triple jump record I believe.

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Thats the man he broke his collar bone in a game of murder ball , top lad and character.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Quite a few bad teachers left a mark on me too.

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The great teachers marks last for the rest of your life though:thumbup: