It’s a midweek league instead of the CL. They’re not resigning from the PL (yet). It’s aimed at global TV money or to get UEFA to change the CL to an elite format.
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It’s a midweek league instead of the CL. They’re not resigning from the PL (yet). It’s aimed at global TV money or to get UEFA to change the CL to an elite format.
I wonder if his position will change? I'd like to think not.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...klopp-23937858
Also, I must say that, in some ways, the most impressive thing about this proposal is the sheer chutzpah of Spurs in managing to persuade the rest that they belong in the "top !2" - the only time they have been Champions of any league since 1961 is when they won the Second Division in 1978 after they'd been relegated.
I just wonder if you have a very big point there.
This could be the clubs raising the stakes in the negotiations about how the Champions League is run.
About the only certainty that any of us can have is that there will now be a legal battle between the breakaway reams and the football authorities.
A case of watch this space.
Big clubs bullying their way to take more money. Stop them from ruining fair competition now or they'll come back every year with the same threats.
If they aren't happy with the amount of money they make, then stop paying £100million for players and paying them ridiculous wages.
It's laughable that Spurs and Arsenal would be considered. They'd only serve to make the other teams look good.
How long before the ganes then start to get played abroad to "meet global market demand" i.e =££££$$$$€€€€. like the NFL in Asia, Middle East, USA.?
Barcelona vs Real Madrid in Miami, Manchester Utd vs Liverpool in Boston, Manchester City vs Juventus in Qatar, etc....
My crystal ball says the Premier League would be hugely devalued without the likes of Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Chelsea, and the knock-on effect would be that the second tier would also be greatly devalued, as would the cup competitions.
Who knows? But I'm certain that the lure of playing in a top flight where the biggest clubs are the likes of Manchester United, Manchester City and Liverpool would be significantly diminished if the biggest clubs in the division were Everton, Newcastle and West Ham.
The Premier League will do nothing if it goes ahead, the Clubs involved are too big for them to sanction.
I can fully understand the fuss as the knock-on effects of this move could potentially be horrendous. However, in reality this is clearly a power play between the big clubs and the football authorities. Under the circumstances, it's somewhat ironic that the likes of FIFA and UEFA are being portrayed as bastions of sporting honour and integrity, when we all know they're nothing of the sort.
I still don't fully get it. Champions League basically sees same teams qualify and get to later stages based on how much more those teams can spend already so (apart from reduction in fixtures and greater ownership of the competition) why bother with a legal battle when lax football rules allow you to secure greater slice of financial pie already?Quote:
"Breakaway clubs believe they can circumvent Fifa opposition to a closed-shop Euro Super League by offering five places a year to qualifying teams. Along with 15 permanent members. They are, it seems, preparing for a huge legal battle"
Oh, I see, they want to be able to change the rules in the future to bend it even more to their designs. At least it's going to be fun seeing Spurs get eaten by the shark when Liverpool, Man United, Juve, Barca and Real Madrid decide there should be a break away league with just five clubs.
The fuss is because that sort of thing is not decided by the clubs. They can say they will continue to compete in the EPL, but bluntly its not up to them. FIFA have already clearly stated that they will NOT be allowed to play in any other domestic or European club competitions. So you effectively have two sports: the self-elected elite who compete amongst themselves and whose players are banned from international competition; and everyone else, playing a pyramid system.
It may be a way to put pressure on a shake-up of the CL but it's a clumsy way to go about it. Just take a look at the tone of the UEFA statement, and the backlash. You've got six clubs here who have just announced something akin to the rebrand.
Life goes on Gunman, like I said in an earlier comment invite Celtic & Rangers even start a British league but I would penalise the clubs who breakaway and even the players so once you go to the ESL there's no getting your last pay-check playing in the lower leagues and I like the sound of no internationals, not sure if Harry Kane would go with that.
Lets be honest for all the club owners the main lure of Premier League is the money , the actual opposition is largely irrelevant !!
Yes , its sounds better when playing Liverpool,Man Utd, etc but they get a bigger slice for playing games against Burnley, Sheff Utd ,etc in a bottom 3 Premier game than playing Brentford v or Swansea in a top six Championship game!
i am assuming the new league is looking to let the clubs own the tv rights so sign up now for your ECL SUPER LEAGUE season ticket for all the league games "Home and Away" only £540 (£30 a game) else £35 a game..... this offer only covers the 18 league games not play offs or last 16 games.
Oh yeah , we might have fans who actually want to be in the stadium .......ummm, errrr we'll announce details on those seats when we work out how much we need to make on the day to cover policing, hospitality, stewarding ,etc
It would also be faced with dwindling finances, which would mean that the quality of players in the league will rapidly decline.
Anyone who thinks that the top 6 leaving will be good for the clubs left behind is absolutely deluding themselves.
When we were languishing in the lower leagues (which was all I had known until I was in my early 20s), you still dream of rising through the leagues and getting to the top - as unlikely as it seemed at the time, you knew there was at least a possibility - unearthing a gem and having a few good seasons and all of a sudden you're up there.
If the possibility of getting to the very top is taken away, then that takes away a lot of the magic for me
These clubs know what they're doing. they will have anticipated the reaction of the major football organizations, and 'supporters' alike, and have solutions and answers for all. I'm pretty certain they'll retain teams in their various leagues, albeit a second string which will probably be as strong as a top 6, with overall squads of 40+ - which they'll be able to afford. They may change the names, ie Man Utd play as the 'Red Devils' in the PL, and they won't need to come in the top 4 anyway because they're already there.
Is this a case of the PL not being careful what they wished for?
The PL if this goes ahead would have to kick them out.
How can you have 6 teams with a massive financial advantage against the rest of the sides. All the top players would want to play for 1 of the 6.
This is greed pure and simple.
The PL becomes devalued no doubt about that.
The only incentives would be a promotion to this so called super league.
The top division in the countries taking part more or less becoming a 2nd tier league.
I just cant see how they can continue to play in the PL though with such an obvious advantage.
Bang on.
Furthermore, I don't think it's the dream of getting to the very top that's important. We all know that's unrealistic for most clubs and we've known as much for all of our lives. However, getting to the top flight and competing with the very top clubs is far from impossible.
Swansea and Bournemouth are two clubs who almost went out of the Football League in the the relatively recent past. However, they recovered and went on to play in the top flight. During their season at that level, the Swans beat Arsenal (five times), Liverpool (three times), Manchester United (three times), Manchester City and Chelsea. Meanwhile, during their stint in the top flight, Bournemouth beat Chelsea (four times), Manchester United (twice), Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs.
Even Cardiff City, who've had two poor Premier League campaigns, managed to beat Manchester City and Manchester United while playing at the top level. If you remove the prospect of playing (and beating) the biggest clubs in the country, the whole pyramid will be greatly devalued. No doubt about it. The Premier League would just become a glorified version of the Championship - competitive no doubt, but nowhere near as attractive for the majority of fans of the sport.
Err, isn't that exactly what is happening already? Money (predominantly through Champions League qualification and additional global interest this generates) and London post-code gives certain sides a massive advantage over the rest.
This is about greed on even greater level, control over the rules of the competition and big clubs protecting themselves from being damaged by their own bad decisions. Barcelona being classic example where bad investment, high manager turnover and lack of success has turned them from biggest club in the world to potentially Europa League club or even less if they don't get their next two seasons right as Arsenal have already experienced recently.
Top leagues in each country will become 2nd tier and football could even become comparable to rugby where English League is so powerful it can deny players going to international fixtures.
As I and American based fan said earlier in the thread, there is so much to bring over from American sport before "super franchises" such as a proper spending cap.
I don't know what the alternative is, but as things stand this appears to be a power struggle between a cluster of mega-rich, unscrupulous football club owners and a couple of notoriously corrupt governing bodies. I've no idea how it will play out. All I know for sure is the notion that football in this country would somehow be better off without the likes of Manchester United, Manchester City and Liverpool is just nonsense.
Still laughing about spurs being in there. I'm guessing glamour, club history and current footballing ability weren't the criteria to be picked
Local football fans are a tiny percentage of fanbase though and if you're predominantly an internet fan then what difference does this competition make? It's just going to be slightly different music before you watch your side online and fewer of the less important games to watch.
The only thing football fans have is how soulless empty stadiums have been this past year. And you need a relegation, a poor start and a cup game before fans start to boycott on mass...
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will it make enough difference? probably not, as has been said there are millions of fans in other countries who will make up the difference.
I will be doing it though, at least I'll know I tried
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Arsenal made 55 redundancies while simultaneously discussing a £350m payment to join this creepy elitist commercial cult. Embarrassing.
https://twitter.com/Freddie_Paxton/s...22328770203650
I really do hope local fans boycott and global fans give their subscription to leagues not getting involved instead.Quote:
See, people get it when it comes to football. Ultimately, capital doesn't care about tradition, heritage, community or values. Capital cares about... capital. Left entirely unchecked, it will discard all other considerations. Imagine configuring your whole country in such a way!
https://twitter.com/faithfulpundit/s...42645119401987
Strangely enough, this proposal brings to mind the autumn rugby internationals we get now which take up most of November. Time was, a Wales v New Zealand or Wales v South Africa match was a real event, but, with frequent summer tours to these countries as well, there’s been a degree of overkill and, although I don’t think this applies to matches with New Zealand, there have been games with Australia and South Africa in Cardiff that have not been sell outs. Now, I know this new league will be more about numbers watching at home, but cthe sort of hype we’re bound to see accompanying it will be a bit hollow if matches begin to take place in front of empty seats.
As things stand, half of the teams to commit are English and it may be that one or more of the other permanent sides will be from that country as well. Add in one or more English sides who are among the five qualifiers and people will have trouble differentiating between the ESL and the Premier League - I think the marketing men for this league could end up having a tougher task than they realise.
I do think people should be careful what they wish for in campaigning to stop this. To stop the teams going would require concessions, which would see them get an even bigger slice of the pie anyway. If they want to go let them go. Just my opinion, but the only thing I think we should join together and campaign for is a cap on ticket prices. As long as fans aren't getting shafted I don't really care to much