No, but they need to make an attempt to win the ball. Either way, shit defending, clever play in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
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No, but they need to make an attempt to win the ball. Either way, shit defending, clever play in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
It was when Sam Feckface said that England deserves this that I thought tosser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
diving , cheating
I hope an Italian takes a swan dive to defy England
Because that's what they have done tonight
Football is a joke
Penalty was soft England deserved to win
its cheating you daft twat 😆Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Clever people are heart surgeons , cheats are football ponces who con the ref
He just threw himself to the floor everytimeQuote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
It may be cheating to you, but not to the majority of top level professionals. Two Danish defenders put themselves in awful positions and one made an appalling attempt at some kind of half arsed challenge. He will know that his defending wasn't good enough, not by a long shot, and he'll know that if he hadn't put himself in that position then Sterling wouldn't have had the opportunity to go to ground, Tough luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Footballs diving home!Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
I wondered if it was meant to be ironic given they’ve been in Wembley most of the tournamentQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
Mark Clattenburg, who I'm no a fan of, just made an excellent point. As a referee, with the game on the line, unless you're 100% sure (which he said he wasn't) you DON'T give the penalty, you leave it up to VAR. Interesting.
They were the better team, I don't think they deserved to win though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad
You ever been to Ashton gate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Gillis
Last night was a game of the highest quality played by two fabulously gifted football teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Tonight's game was several notches down quality wise played by two decent sides but nothing special.
Rio's entitled to his opinion of course but he's having a laugh if he truly believes England are better than Spain and Italy.
The worse thing is this.....we'll have to put up with this for the next 55 years, well our offspring will !
How do you reconcile that then?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Fwiw I think it was a pelanty anyway.
I’ve heard plenty of people say they hope England make the final then lose it in a cruel way.
I’m now firmly in that camp despite hoping they’d lose tonight.
A few reasons to be cheerful
1) extra time took a bit more out of them
2) the first real challenge they’ve had they’d have gone to penalties except for a moment of cheating
3) they still can’t take penalties
4) Italy look good
5) Italy have had an extra day rest
We will find out in a few days if Rio was right. Denmark are no pushovers and England were all over them for the best part of an hour. They are a very good side and very consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
England are very good out wide, if teams allow their two holding midfielders to set up play then they're going to struggle, including Italy. Everything goes through the central pair with players like Foden and grealish dropping in to start attacks in the final third. They've got some real quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
Probably because they're total chavs :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Gillis
Until Denmark substituted their two main forwards they were as good as England and very dangerous going forward. However they visibly tired after about 75 minutes and the writing was on the wall in extra time. So, all down to the depth of squad at the end of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
Very good point. The defending for the penalty was tired legs and bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
The top level professionals are the accused and therefore maybe not the best arbiters in this case. It’s more a question of whether this ‘clever’ play is a welcome part of the game. People can make their own mind up about that and don’t need to defer to top players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Kasper was there best player which suggests England may have had a lot of shots on target.
As to diving you either join the club or lose I'm sure we will see the best team at immersioni on Sunday, they have turned it into an art form
I'm not telling anyone what to do or think. What i am sure of is that those in the game wont be reacting like fans, as they will know that the Danes ****ed up and invited a problem. That's just me making my own mind up. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
And to add, as a fan i welcome play like that, don't mind it one bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Because you can be the better team and not do enough to win. It happens all the time. I give England credit for the own goal, it was all of their making. But for me, the gift of the penalty was very fortunate. They say you make your own luck, but Harry Kane took a shit penalty which on another day, Schmeichel would smother. The better team on paper by far, better team on the pitch for the last 15 minutes or normal time and all of extra time. But not deserving winners in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
Re: the "penalty". Ian Wright's comment summed it up for me when he said "you heard Raheem say that he thought he felt a touch on his leg"! Thought he felt......come on, pull the other one.
Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham fans may need to think of an alternative to "Oh Engerland is full of Shit ..." if they win on Sunday.
That’s fine. I understand players may have a different perspective. But it really adds no weight to the argument either way imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I think it does. We think like fans, they think as Professionals. The Danish defenders won't be calling sterling a cheat like some on here are, they'll be more disappointed in themselves and the fact that they put themselves in that position to start with. Just part of the game for me, whether it goes my way or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Yes, I understand. But why do fans necessarily have to show deference to what players think? It’s quite possible to have valid different perspectives on something like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
You're not supposed to make a decision unless your 100% certain at any pointQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I think England would have won anyway, but what a joke of a decision
I dunno about that, you quite often see professionals absolutely livid when a player dives for a penaltyQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
They don't. But in my opinion it shows a lack of understanding of what is actually happening in front of their eyes. People don't have to like it, and they can think it is wrong, but to dismiss it as simple cheating is naive and simplistic in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Yeah, but i'd bet that they're pissed off if one of their defenders has got the wrong side or caught flat footed etc. I think that sterling was well within his rights to go down for that shambolic defending. If a defender wants to bowl him a free one..Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
If we're giving penalties for shambolic defending Cardiff would concede 2 a week!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I think "within his rights" is a little far. Is it "clever"? Sure, but at the end of the day it is cheating. How on earth it was given and then not overturned is beyond me
VAR has failedQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
When the football world heralded the VAR system, we were told " no more mistakes " when it was just the ref and the lino we knew they made mistakes, they are human, yes we moaned like fook about it, yes we said the bigger teams got the calls, but VAR was s.posed to stop all of that, tonight VAR looked at the Pen, they saw it from various angles and still made the wrong call imho, whatever touch the defender got on Sterling wasnt what brought him down, when the player says in the after match interview " i thought i felt a touch " you know something is wrong
2 balls on the pitch aswell. Like come on guys, its not that hard to referee
I'm really easy going over this kind of thing, it doesn't bother me. I thought that it was a penalty, maybe it wasn't. He got lucky, although he earned it in my opinion by being positive, making the danish defenders make poor decisions which gave the referee something to think about. And i'd say the same thing if it was against us. You try not to get into a 1on 1 with raheem sterling in the box. That's step 1 of defending, it's not likely to end well.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Highlight of the game ?
Easy, Keiffer got a mention by the commentator after Harry Maguire was booked for leading with his arm when jumping for the ball.
I agree in league football l. But this is knockout football. Someone has to win. Denmark have been great, but they were second best tonight and didn’t deserve to go through. England were the better team overall by far tonight. As soon as Denmark took off their two best players they were hanging on and I think even to that point England were probably the better side anyway. Penalty was soft yes but still a pen, and even so overall it was the right result.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Kane’s penalty was so shit that it worked in his favour. Had he hit it harder or wider, Schmeichel may have looked to knock it away. It was basically a back pass that he failed to gather safely. Tho thought Kane was excellent tonight, bought countless free kicks to relieve pressure.