Canton Stand Last Night

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Originally Posted by delmbox

So free speech is still allowed then, you just don't like it when people "have meltdowns" i.e disagree (which is their right because of....free speech)

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Facking hell there's a few on here that have forgotten being an adolescent.
You sound like your parents 40 odd years ago.
I thought the Canton made a good noise last night.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Madness.

While not being too long ago though it seemed a simpler time back then. I certainly enjoyed the football a bit more.

We drew that game 3-3. We should have had a penalty at the end. Think it might have been Koumas brought down but the ref bottled it.

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The ref who bottled it that night in 2006 was Andy Woolmer.

He is the referee for our game at Bloomfield Rd this weekend v Blackpool.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Tim, I raise you with;
‘His Name Is Jimmy Scoular’
‘Bless ‘Em All’
‘Knees Up Brian Clark’
Sha La La La La Leslie Lea’
‘Freddie’s In Our Goal, Peter’s On The Wing.......’
‘Oh When The Blues Go Marching In’
‘We’re The Grange End, We’re The Grange End’
‘We Hate Nottingham Forest, We Hate Liverpool too.....’
‘Bring Down Sunderland & Arsenal’
‘Toshack Ooh Ooh’

There must be more but that’s off the top of my head, all songs that mentioned The City or our players, they diluted any of the other type songs of the time. The variation was very good, nothing like that from our lot today and as I say, we’ve tried to introduce new stuff at away games in the recent past but, no, they don’t want to know.

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I think there’s a bit of rise tinted specs there Steve.

There was a hell of a lot worse in the 70s and 80s than putting a sick twist on the Jacks egg chasing song.

I’m certainly talking more about the 80s that the 70s and 60s - when all the songs you’ve mentioned above had petered out, but I’m sure similar stuff went on then as the 70s were just as bad as the 80s for what went on.

When we watch ‘It was OK in the 80s my kids can’t believe what we thought was acceptable/ funny then .

The kids in the Canton made a good deal of noise last night - and unlike the vast majority of our fans they turned up.

They are also the only ones who sing. The rest of the ground are quiet and will often look at you a bit weird if you have a go.

Some of the songs are crap, agreed .. although taking the piss out of the English in the Euros is childish but still funny.. as they would certainly have been letting us know has they won.

It’s still preferable to a morgue of a ground which is what it would be without them

What really gets me, now that I'm older, is the fact we were chanting for Morrison (an Englishman) to do the ayatollah and then two seconds after singing "England ****ed it up".

I tend to cringe at most of the chants nowadays

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

What really gets me, now that I'm older, is the fact we were chanting for Morrison (an Englishman) to do the ayatollah and then two seconds after singing "England ****ed it up".

I tend to cringe at most of the chants nowadays

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8 English players started. 3 on the bench on Saturday.

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

What really gets me, now that I'm older, is the fact we were chanting for Morrison (an Englishman) to do the ayatollah and then two seconds after singing "England ****ed it up".

I tend to cringe at most of the chants nowadays

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maybe the players just accept it as football " banter " and dont take it too serious, I am sure they must know what to expect when they sign for us

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Originally Posted by blue matt

maybe the players just accept it as football " banter " and dont take it too serious, I am sure they must know what to expect when they sign for us

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I doubt they're bothered, I'm not sure that's what he was getting at either tbh.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

maybe the players just accept it as football " banter " and dont take it too serious, I am sure they must know what to expect when they sign for us

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They probably do mate, not sure it helps our cause though. The Barnsley goalkeeper seemed intent on making a point of celebrating in front of the Canton. Could it spur the away players on and take that 1 or 2 % away from our players........................I'm massively overthinking this aren't I? 🤣

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

I think there’s a bit of rise tinted specs there Steve.

There was a hell of a lot worse in the 70s and 80s than putting a sick twist on the Jacks egg chasing song.

I’m certainly talking more about the 80s that the 70s and 60s - when all the songs you’ve mentioned above had petered out, but I’m sure similar stuff went on then as the 70s were just as bad as the 80s for what went on.

When we watch ‘It was OK in the 80s my kids can’t believe what we thought was acceptable/ funny then .

The kids in the Canton made a good deal of noise last night - and unlike the vast majority of our fans they turned up.

They are also the only ones who sing. The rest of the ground are quiet and will often look at you a bit weird if you have a go.

Some of the songs are crap, agreed .. although taking the piss out of the English in the Euros is childish but still funny.. as they would certainly have been letting us know has they won.

It’s still preferable to a morgue of a ground which is what it would be without them

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I would honestly prefer a morgue of a ground than listen to that disgusting paedophile song, the singers of that should be ejected. It shouldn’t be a case of all noise is good noise. We’ve both mentioned the past, ok, we had some shockers then but they were diluted by a vast array of team and player supporting songs. I’ve named ten off the top of my head, all relevant to their time, Can ten be named now relevant to current players? I’m bemoaning the originality of our youth, it’s pathetic and a poor state of affairs that the majority of the noise made from the Canton is anti this and anti that rather than pro Cardiff City. Song and chants about individual players would lift them you’d think, I’m not sure singing about Swansea slums does. As I’ve mentioned a few of us have ‘trialled’ a few new ditties at away games a few seasons back but ‘England is full of shit’ continued to rule the day. Would be great to have a few bright young fans banding together and producing a few originals, I’m sure we’ve got lads who are capable.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

8 English players started. 3 on the bench on Saturday.

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10 English players started (albeit 1 has elected to represent Ireland, and 1 Scotland). 4 on the bench (1 who has elected to represent Wales).

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Originally Posted by insider

Facking hell there's a few on here that have forgotten being an adolescent.
You sound like your parents 40 odd years ago.
I thought the Canton made a good noise last night.

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There is some irony about , I can recall the language and behaviours of fans in the old Ninian Park which would shock the Canton Stand fans of today .

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Originally Posted by delmbox

And do you think that all those people in those arguments on Twitter are worked up? Or are they just having a bit of an argument online then going back to their normal lives like you do here? You seem to think that everyone else is super sensitive and losing it and you're the only one who's just having a bit of back and forth :shrug:

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Bingo, he couldn’t see the wood for the trees ffs.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Bingo, he couldn’t see the wood for the trees ffs.

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For lads who aren't worked up you're sure going on about it.

Bit of chanting. Most would like to see it more pro City but that's all it is.

You need to calm down a bit.

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Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts

10 English players started (albeit 1 has elected to represent Ireland, and 1 Scotland). 4 on the bench (1 who has elected to represent Wales).

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Saturday..

D Phillips - English
Bagan - English
Nelson - English
Flint - English
McGuinness - Irish
Ng - English
Pack - English
Ralls - English
Bacuna - Curaçao
Giles - English
Collins - English.

8/11

Subs

Bowen
Colwill
Moore
Harris - All Welsh
Morrison
Smithies
Wintle - English

3/7

Saturday...

Saturday...

Saturday....

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Originally Posted by life on mars

There is some irony about , I can recall the language and behaviours of fans in the old Ninian Park which would shock the Canton Stand fans of today .

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Exactly, but we’re not on about bad language are we, times have moved on. I wouldn’t be keen on bringing a kiddie down the City for the first time and explaining the paedophile song to him. Do we want to go back, or stay, in the times of anti type songs, I say no but do we want to go back and sing pro City & City players songs, I say yes.

Love to see more Welsh lads breaking through , I might be wrong it seems were at our most healthiest for some time with Welsh representation In the first team squads , well done the City /Mick.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Saturday..

D Phillips - English
Bagan - English
Nelson - English
Flint - English
McGuinness - Irish
Ng - English
Pack - English
Ralls - English
Bacuna - Curaçao
Giles - English
Collins - English.

8/11

Subs

Bowen
Colwill
Moore
Harris - All Welsh
Morrison
Smithies
Wintle - English

3/7

Saturday...

Saturday...

Saturday....

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McGuinness is from Slough.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

There is some irony about , I can recall the language and behaviours of fans in the old Ninian Park which would shock the Canton Stand fans of today .

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Agreed, but just because I used to do it (and worse), doesn't mean I shouldn't point out how ridiculous it is as I get older. All part of growing up surely.

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Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts

McGuinness is from Slough.

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Still doesn't make you right..just adds numbers to the English count.. Meaning the fans had one more English player in their team while singing anti England songs :hehe:

Moore is from? Ashley Williams was from? Did they play for Wales? Anyway, that's a other debate, read his ****ing name out loud :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

I think there’s a bit of rise tinted specs there Steve.

There was a hell of a lot worse in the 70s and 80s than putting a sick twist on the Jacks egg chasing song.

I’m certainly talking more about the 80s that the 70s and 60s - when all the songs you’ve mentioned above had petered out, but I’m sure similar stuff went on then as the 70s were just as bad as the 80s for what went on.

When we watch ‘It was OK in the 80s my kids can’t believe what we thought was acceptable/ funny then .

The kids in the Canton made a good deal of noise last night - and unlike the vast majority of our fans they turned up.

They are also the only ones who sing. The rest of the ground are quiet and will often look at you a bit weird if you have a go.

Some of the songs are crap, agreed .. although taking the piss out of the English in the Euros is childish but still funny.. as they would certainly have been letting us know has they won.

It’s still preferable to a morgue of a ground which is what it would be without them

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Spot on .

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Still doesn't make you right..just adds numbers to the English count.. Meaning the fans had one more English player in their team while singing anti England songs :hehe:

Moore is from? Ashley Williams was from? Did they play for Wales? Anyway, that's a other debate, read his ****ing name out loud :hehe:

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I think it makes me right that 10 players in that starting side were English. It is not a difficult concept although I agree it simply emphasises the idiocy of some of our fans and their anti-English outpourings.

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Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts

I think it makes me right that 10 players in that starting side were English. It is not a difficult concept although I agree it simply emphasises the idiocy of some of our fans and their anti-English outpourings.

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Let me put it another way:

Supporting Cardiff City doesn’t have to be exclusively for Welsh people.
I live in Bristol and have an English wife. I’ve brought our two boys to matches and have to explain to them why silly people are singing anti-English songs, which they find hard to understand. My wife is unlikely to ever come to a match because of this.
They’re both both born in Bristol, but support Cardiff (and Wales).
Having these idiots singing these songs is not only offensive, but also makes Cardiff fans look stupid.
And before anyone comes back with the whole sheep thing, let’s remember that two wrongs don’t make a right.
What happened in the past is completely irrelevant. We should be looking to the future and making our club as appealing to new supporters as possible or would people prefer English born sons of Welshman to support English teams?

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

Let me put it another way:

Supporting Cardiff City doesn’t have to be exclusively for Welsh people.
I live in Bristol and have an English wife. I’ve brought our two boys to matches and have to explain to them why silly people are singing anti-English songs, which they find hard to understand. My wife is unlikely to ever come to a match because of this.
They’re both both born in Bristol, but support Cardiff (and Wales).
Having these idiots singing these songs is not only offensive, but also makes Cardiff fans look stupid.
And before anyone comes back with the whole sheep thing, let’s remember that two wrongs don’t make a right.
What happened in the past is completely irrelevant. We should be looking to the future and making our club as appealing to new supporters as possible or would people prefer English born sons of Welshman to support English teams?

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I agree, not least as I have (primarily) lived in England since 1977!
I also know a number of fans who are English but fortunate enough to be sons/daughters (and grandchildren) of Welshmen/women who regularly travel to our games and find the anti-English stuff embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts

I agree, not least as I have (primarily) lived in England since 1977!
I also know a number of fans who are English but fortunate enough to be sons/daughters (and grandchildren) of Welshmen/women who regularly travel to our games and find the anti-English stuff embarrassing.

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Exactly. Wouldn’t it be great if every seat in the stadium was filled? So what if the fans have come from further afield! That means less supporters for other clubs!

Well I’m English and couldn’t give a second of concern to a few spotty herberts singing a song at a football match.
No idea what any of the players think but I would imagine it would be pretty low on their list of concerns when signing to play for us or indeed the majority of the City followers from across the border.
It has been with us for a while and I doubt it will go away anytime soon.
Best response was from ( I think ) Bristol Rovers who responded with “ can you sing it in Welsh” followed up with “ you’re English and you know you are” .
Not that I want to give credit to anything or anyone from Bristol I hasten to add.

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Originally Posted by Majorblue

Well I’m English and couldn’t give a second of concern to a few spotty herberts singing a song at a football match.
No idea what any of the players think but I would imagine it would be pretty low on their list of concerns when signing to play for us or indeed the majority of the City followers from across the border.
It has been with us for a while and I doubt it will go away anytime soon.
Best response was from ( I think ) Bristol Rovers who responded with “ can you sing it in Welsh” followed up with “ you’re English and you know you are” .
Not that I want to give credit to anything or anyone from Bristol I hasten to add.

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The Rovers reply is brilliant , and brings a smirk to most adult footy fans faces , its all about the footy banter family isn't it ?

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

Let me put it another way:

Supporting Cardiff City doesn’t have to be exclusively for Welsh people.
I live in Bristol and have an English wife. I’ve brought our two boys to matches and have to explain to them why silly people are singing anti-English songs, which they find hard to understand. My wife is unlikely to ever come to a match because of this.
They’re both both born in Bristol, but support Cardiff (and Wales).
Having these idiots singing these songs is not only offensive, but also makes Cardiff fans look stupid.
And before anyone comes back with the whole sheep thing, let’s remember that two wrongs don’t make a right.
What happened in the past is completely irrelevant. We should be looking to the future and making our club as appealing to new supporters as possible or would people prefer English born sons of Welshman to support English teams?

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Do you explain to them when silly little English people chant England and its coming home all game and anti Welsh stuff when we are playing English sides every week.
Does that keep your wife from games as well?

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Originally Posted by insider

Do you explain to them when silly little English people chant England and its coming home all game and anti Welsh stuff when we are playing English sides every week.
Does that keep your wife from games as well?

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Erm...Are you daft? She’s English, she joins in:hehe:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Erm...Are you daft? She’s English, she joins in:hehe:

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Damn I wanted confrontation but you hit me with a joke and a laughing smiley
Bugger.

One nil ......to the sheepshaggers

After a 89th minute winning goal

That's enough

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Originally Posted by insider

Do you explain to them when silly little English people chant England and its coming home all game and anti Welsh stuff when we are playing English sides every week.
Does that keep your wife from games as well?

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I certainly do! I’ve already mentioned about the songs that come back to us - just as stupid.
Lots of people on here who don’t care about the chanting are of a certain age where it was normal. I don’t want my boys thinking it’s okay.
I do like the Bristol Rovers comeback. Says it all, really.

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

Let me put it another way:

Supporting Cardiff City doesn’t have to be exclusively for Welsh people.
I live in Bristol and have an English wife. I’ve brought our two boys to matches and have to explain to them why silly people are singing anti-English songs, which they find hard to understand. My wife is unlikely to ever come to a match because of this.
They’re both both born in Bristol, but support Cardiff (and Wales).
Having these idiots singing these songs is not only offensive, but also makes Cardiff fans look stupid.
And before anyone comes back with the whole sheep thing, let’s remember that two wrongs don’t make a right.
What happened in the past is completely irrelevant. We should be looking to the future and making our club as appealing to new supporters as possible or would people prefer English born sons of Welshman to support English teams?

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I can add to this

my Wife is English, both my girls were born here in England ( though both deny they have any English in them and are as Welsh as anyone )

My wife has been coming to games for 20 years, she doesn't join in with the anti English songs, but why would she, but it certainly doesn't bother here now, I had warned her when she 1st started to watch us

My both girls will not join in with the anti English chants, but they do laugh at them, but that's because I have played the down as a bit of football banter

Now against Barnsley I brought up a few of my girls football team ( I've mentioned it ) and one of the girls is a outstanding GK, she is English and proud, her life goal is to play for England ladies team, she lives in her England shirts ( both outfield and GK ) when I said I would Bring the girls I told my daughter to tell her to not wear her shirt :thumbup:
When the canton started to sing " footballs coming home " the girls loved it and sang as loud as she could, then when it turned into " they looked it up " she looked at me and looked really upset, I explained we are in Wales, its just rival banter, on the way home, she asked " when Wales were playing in the last 2 euro's I supported them but not in the England / Wales game, I explained that its just banter, she seemed happy with that and can't wait to return to watch city play

I guess it comes down to how you see it, do you take it for just some football banter and just ignore it or take it as offensive

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Originally Posted by Majorblue

Best response was from ( I think ) Bristol Rovers who responded with “ can you sing it in Welsh” followed up with “ you’re English and you know you are” .
Not that I want to give credit to anything or anyone from Bristol I hasten to add.

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now that's great stuff, its humorous and while it might anger the angry testosterone filled % of our fans, its once again, just football banter

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Originally Posted by blue matt

now that's great stuff, its humorous and while it might anger the angry testosterone filled % of our fans, its once again, just football banter

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But, clever football banter, can you honestly say the majority of our lot’s football banter is clever? There is a difference.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

But, clever football banter, can you honestly say the majority of our lot’s football banter is clever? There is a difference.

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It's a football match with thousands of fans attending there's bound to be something you won't agree with.
If something affects you this much at games maybe take up something less traumatic :hehe:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

The more we criticise and even boo when anti Swansea and the like rubbish is being sang the better. It’s hard for me to understand the mentally of people who sing about paedophilia. I don’t want to be associated with them, wish they’d disappear and find somewhere else to peddle their idiocy. They are not supporting The City in any way, shape or form with their rubbish.

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So you want to boo something you don't agree with? Your just the same as the bunch who boo taking the knee..

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Originally Posted by stan butler

So you want to boo something you don't agree with? Your just the same as the bunch who boo taking the knee..

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Hmm, comparing taking the knee with a paedophile song. Very strange.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I guess it comes down to how you see it, do you take it for just some football banter and just ignore it or take it as offensive

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It's a good point but I think it doesn't always have to be either of those things. Some English people I've tried to get to go down and watch City on a regular basis who haven't been offended and take it as banter just found it irritating by the end of the 90 mins. They've never understood it when we had an English manager and several English players. But the thing that got them the most was that we play in the English League.

One of my mates who still lives in London used to regularly take me down to Highbury when we were working and living in London together. I never heard anti-Welsh songs being sung over several years. Likewise at other grounds and clubs in the English League. But I am hearing and reading more BTL comments from people who are questioning why we're even in it. There are new generations of fans who don't understand or give a toss about history or why we ended up where we are.

On a train a while ago there were about 30 Manchester City fans who sang for the hour's journey I was on and in all of that time their songs were ****ing hilarious (especially the one about Liverpool).

I think that total support for the players on the park and the club would be a good thing. Maybe more people in other parts of the ground would feel like joining in (like Sol Bamba's Last Christmas and the Sala song did). Then, the odd p*ss take of the England football team would have more impact and be funny. I think we're too obsessed with us being a Welsh club and not Cardiff City.

Slightly off-topic but at Wales matches something that drives me nuts is not singing the words to Men Of Harlech. There's been quite a few times a sizable group of fans has tried to get it going but it gets drowned out. I've always found that sad.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

It's a good point but I think it doesn't always have to be either of those things. Some English people I've tried to get to go down and watch City on a regular basis who haven't been offended and take it as banter just found it irritating by the end of the 90 mins. They've never understood it when we had an English manager and several English players. But the thing that got them the most was that we play in the English League.

One of my mates who still lives in London used to regularly take me down to Highbury when we were working and living in London together. I never heard anti-Welsh songs being sung over several years. Likewise at other grounds and clubs in the English League. But I am hearing and reading more BTL comments from people who are questioning why we're even in it. There are new generations of fans who don't understand or give a toss about history or why we ended up where we are.

On a train a while ago there were about 30 Manchester City fans who sang for the hour's journey I was on and in all of that time their songs were ****ing hilarious (especially the one about Liverpool).

I think that total support for the players on the park and the club would be a good thing. Maybe more people in other parts of the ground would feel like joining in (like Sol Bamba's Last Christmas and the Sala song did). Then, the odd p*ss take of the England football team would have more impact and be funny. I think we're too obsessed with us being a Welsh club and not Cardiff City.

Slightly off-topic but at Wales matches something that drives me nuts is not singing the words to Men Of Harlech. There's been quite a few times a sizable group of fans has tried to get it going but it gets drowned out. I've always found that sad.

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Ive been to Man City games in the past including the Manchester derby and they had a load of great songs.

However they also sung songs far worse than ours sing.