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There is loads of good news! Investment is up, unemployment is down, wages are well up.
Even the BBC reporting on it today!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58394903
Great to see wages in working class jobs rising, and if we have some temporary disruptions while our economy re-aligns itself then no bad thing.
In one article: Wage Rises up, unemployment down, record job vacancies.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58241006
UK wage growth has never been this high in 25 years. Surely you care about that and think it's important?
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/wage-growth
Is that it? Is that the best you can come up with?
You didn't read that BBC article did you? Wages are going up because they can't attract people to do the job in the UK because the conditions are so sh*t. I'd love to know what you do for a living because this world of which you speak is just not the same one I live in.
You'll be saying the Unicorn population is thriving next.
What do you do for a living? Do you run your own business or are you in the public sector? Are you highly skilled e.g. a neurologist? Do you need to work for long periods in Europe or are you in a desk job in Ebbw Vale? Do you export your products or skills? Do you only buy British? Are you typing on a British piece of tech or is it designed and manufactured on the other side of the world and shipped in? Will you only buy British cars, flags, sausages?
Unemployment rising would be great if it was rising in highly skilled areas and directly contributing to production.
I'm sick to death of people who voted for Brexit, f*cked it up and made life difficult for millions, and then come on football message boards and still try and sell their pathetic, idealogical, selfish crap years after nothing good has come of it (except some vacuous propaganda puked out by our pathetic government).
And no. I'm not up for discussing this stuff civilly anymore. Did that approach make my life better? No, it didn't. Yeah, food prices are up, but everything is up and it was heading that way before Covid. Not just food, every piece of tech and software I use professionally is massively more expensive. Everything I need to do is massively more difficult and expensive. And, yes, I hold people who voted for Brexit entirely responsible. You don't get a free pass anymore.
Wages going up in sh*t jobs is great, is it? They're still sh*t jobs. Ask people if they'd like to do them. Working-class? We're all f*cking working class unless you're born into money. Are you born into money? We're all f*cking working-class idiots making sh*t loads of money for people like Dyson who f*cks off to Singapore.
I'm sick of it.
Selfish. So because costs in your sector are up thats it?
You dont care that inflation is HIGHER in the EU?
You dont care that unemployment is falling?
You dont care that wages are rising?
Producer prices are rising the fastest in the EU in 26 years!
Costs of global shipping have tripled.
Quite obviously, these are factors beyond Brexit.
https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/producer-prices
I'm talking about the links you sent.
One says that wage increase is because they are being compared to 12 months ago when many people were on furlough and receiving less than their full wage.
The other says that low paying jobs have been disappearing, which pushes the average up.
Wage rises have been consistently rising since early 2020.
The point is:
If you think food prices rising are only down to Brexit, you are wrong. Inflation is rising faster in the EU.
If you think Brexit has bought no economic benefits, you are wrong. There is ample evidence.
All of this is impossible to analysis properly through the lens of covid, but I am tired of people using anecdotal evidence against official data.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/wage-growth
What do you do for a living? I'm willing to talk about real-life examples as opposed to trawling the internet for selective arguments. I'll discuss real-life issues here. You don't need to post any more links because I know how to use Google and can do all of that sh*t when I'm not on CCMB. I'm here right now. Feel free to answer my questions.
Firstly, it took most of 2020 to get wage rises back to pre Covid levels, so to say we've had wage rises since early 2020 is more than misleading. It's also worth mentioning that wages in some sectors have been forced to rise because of a lack of migrant workers. Meanwhile, supermarkets have been proactive in trying to bear the brunt of massively rising costs but that much larger price rises are going to be inevitable.
This is on the link you sent. It doesn't show wages rising since early 2020.
I'm a bit tired of you saying I'm using anecdotal evidence when all I've done is refer to your links!
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I'll private message you if you change your settings. No way am I entering a public slanging match when you don't seem open to listening.
We all have anecdotal evidence. Every policy every govt has ever made will impact positively on some and negatively on others. The point is to look at the collective evidence.
You have complained about price rises, but they are rising everywhere. If this was a UK only issue, then that wouldn't be happening.
Quite obviously, when Eurozone inflation is at a ten year high (as it is - https://www.euronews.com/2021/08/31/...a-10-year-high) then the issues about price rises are not solely, or even closely linked to the UK being outside the EU.
Talk calmly and I'll listen. Lecture me with anecdotal data and I wont, because I have friends who's wages are rising at the moment, and their anecdotal data counteracts yours. And they also don't insult me while they are at it.
Sorry, since mid 2020.
Anecdotal evidence isn't refering to you.
If you can provide concrete evidence in terms of unemplyoment, inflation, GDP, wages, house prices, investment any such data that shows the UK doing worse than the EU since leaving the EU then I'm listening.
The data just doesn't really exist. What there is shows no real impact, shows some improvements and/or is anecdotal.
And all of this is largely irrelevent because COVID is the greatest skewer of economic data since WW2.
The point is - people saying food prices are rising 'cos of brexit' are largely wrong, because inflations is higher in the EU.
And another hyperlink. You can't stop yourself, can you? I did make it clear that civil discussion re. Brexit has got me absolutely nowhere since pre. 2016 so I've given up. I'm certainly not giving you access to PM me. I asked what you do for a living, you won't answer. You don't get to come on a public board, post, then want to slink off and have a private discussion when what you're doing is the easiest thing in the world. Googling and posting links.
Surely, and this is the last I'll say on this, talking to real people and listening to their concerns re. Brexit and it's effect in real-life situations is far more valuable than what you're doing?
You just parry with stuff you've searched for. You aren't listening, you're posting links. That's not discussion or argument.
Anyway. I can't be civil about Brexit anymore, but I can be civil as one person to another (pretending for a moment that this isn't about Brexit).
Of course, Covid has had a massive influence worldwide. That's going to take ages to recover from. Unfortunatley for the UK it happened right at the point we'd committed economical suicide.
That's me done. I wish you no harm, I hope you have a great day and live long and prosper.
Jesus Christ! Posting hyperlinks is how you post evidence in an online forum.
You are saying Brexit is raising prices.
I am saying that price rises are happening everywhere, and faster in Europe, and posting links to data that evidences my point. I can describe in prose how price rises are rising in the eurozone if you like, but it's not as sensible as providing a link.
You aren't evidencing your point and you are being abusive with it.
That says a lot to me.
Take care and all the best.
Anybody else absolutely desperate by now to know what JamesWales does for a living? Seems very reluctant to share, I'm going with traffic warden or pimp
The UK is currently 14th in Europe when looking at Covid deaths per capita. There are 9 EU nations with a worse ratio.
In terms of the Vaccine, the speed we got it out with was very impressive. Others have caught up now but vaccines are a race (obviously).
I think the furlough scheme was pretty good too, although nearly every western country did a similar scheme
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...nfirmed+deaths
Having now lived in the EU for the last 10 months, I don’t understand why many like for like items are so expensive in the UK other than taxation. There are items like cars & heating oil which are dearer but most day to day items, particularly food are much cheaper (& the shelves are full). Meat, fruit, veg, milk all considerably lower. The source from within the EU also seems to be wider than we were getting in the UK pre Brexit.
Diesel 95p / L, Guinness 60p a can, bought 9L fresh orange juice 40p. Even like for like items in IKEA are around 35% less
Pinched from Twitter
Fun fact.
Today Liz Truss boasted of a trade deal with Mexico worth, she claims, £50m.
That’s £10m a year shared between us and Mexico.
Or just 0.5% of the £2bn we’ve lost in food & drink exports to the EU in just 6 months.
Trade data is always volatile, especially with covid and brexit thrown in. However, the following quote from the ONS is quite striking.
"Exports of goods to the EU, excluding precious metals, were above pre-EU exit levels in May and June 2021; rising £1.2 billion (9.1%) to £14.1 billion in May 2021, followed by a further £0.2 billion (1.2%) to £14.3 billion in June 2021."
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/natio...trade/june2021
https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/202...brexit-levels/