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Bear in mind you firmly believed a spoof blog that was blatantly obviously set up by someone with the intention of irritating and intimidating me was actually authored by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
Perhaps your judgment is not quite as sound as you believe it to be?
Well unless Tan decides to go for a root and branch approach we go with what we have got
Anything else is just pissing in the wind
I mentioned the fact that dml makes up things because it is ridiculous.
On that particular occasion he made it up while debating with TLG. He has made up plenty of stuff. City not playing one long ball in a full 90 minutes along with his relatives having a hotline straight to the Sheff United manager and board to name but two.
He does it then goes underground for a while until the thread disappears like on this one.
Insider is waiting for the available accounts to be posted to prove that Tan paid himself back large sums. He could be waiting some time because dml is looking in but can't produce something much like the Madine loan fee proof.
Call me a club basher, Jack, say what you want. I've at least stopped one step short of making up stuff to make myself look more important.
nobody cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
please continue this petty squabble in DMs so nobody else has to read it
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Who are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Message board police.
He makes stuff up about the club. He is going to be called out on it, like he has a few times now.
If you want to read the full accounts for 2018/2019 they are freely available online. In the meantime you can read this bbc news summary report on the accounts for that period and if you put your glasses on and concentrate, you can see in the report that Mr Tan repaid himself £32m from the Premier League income which reduced his overall debt to £40m from £72m the year before. Turnover in the Premier League was up from £34m to £122m due to increased tv revenues. He did something quite similar in 2013/2014. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51737846. FFP has got nothing to do with debt repayment from turnover either - it is related to the proportion of income that is taken up by player salaries and ours was very high in the Prem.Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
You are totally misrepresenting what I said about the team as well - I said we were an established top six championship team in one thread and separately that we hadn't finished lower in the table than 13th since 2008. Similar to blue lewj and TLG you are totally twisting and misrepresenting what I say to suit your own ends. I never said that my relatives in Yorkshire knew or had spoken to Chris Wilder either. They are season ticket holders and take a keen interest as to what is going on at their club, including listening to what club representatives say about transfers.
I think you need to be very careful before aligning yourself with idiots like the other two. They are busted flushes who hate the club and will do anything to discredit it. They will also do anything they can to ridicule anyone who dares to stand against them, as seen by their constant spats with a number of other people on this board. Mr Butler summed it up succinctly.
Well done on the link but I'm not aligning myself with anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Debt in its millions being repaid does not equate success.
I can see there are 2 sides to an argument maybe you should take your rose tinted specs off and do the same.
I very much doubt it though.
And there we have it. Out of his own mouth. Blue Lewj states that ‘ at least I have stopped one step short of making stuff up to make myself look more important’ - the biggest lie of all. Just one recent example - he gave an analysis of how the team played ‘hoofball’ in the cup game against Sutton. He then admitted that he hadn't been to the game or watched it online or on tv. When challenged about how he knew how the team played, he stated ‘I just know’. In other words he made it all up, presumably to make himself look more important. Also, when City play well or win a couple of games he disappears off the board until the next defeat and then has the cheek to accuse me of ‘going underground’. The words hypocrite, fantasist, loser and deluded come to mind. Plus closet Jack of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
So you do make up stuff that is posted on this board then - nice to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
You have tied yourself into an impressive knot there. There is a plot - but you have lost it!Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Haven't you got relatives to visit in Sheffield?Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
From the article:Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
“The reduction in debt due to Tan has been replaced by other loans of £39.5m from other unnamed parties, who are not shareholders or directors.”
It is true that Vincent Tan has reduced his loans to the club by converting some of them to equity, but to say that he has been able to take money out of the club is incorrect.
If you read the account reports properly, you will see that at the beginning of that financial year his reported debt was £72m and at the end it was £40m. The money was taken out of the club accounts as stated in the report. It is also stated that the other £39.5m loans taken out (not by Mr Tan as you say) were to run the club on a day to day basis using the projected tv income as security. Nothing therefore to do with Mr Tan repaying himself some of the money he was owed, out of the increased revenue of being in the premier league.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw
Please explain ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Yes but not going until Christmas. Another person that is accusing me of lying about my relatives then ! What is so unbelievable about someone being married to someone from South Yorkshire, got married in Yorkshire, having relatives/friends who live up there and two of them are season ticket holders at Sheffield United. Another two of them are season ticket holders at Barnsley by the way - no doubt I will be accused of lying about that shortly as well. I think probably those four people know rather more about Sheff Utd and Barnsley goings on than you, blue lewj, TLG (or me). Believe what you like anyway - who gives a ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
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Originally Posted by dml1954
In another thread (6,013 - from 25.8.21) Stan linked to a 10 year old blog that he assumed was written by TLG, but was really created by someone else with way too much spare time to ridicule and embarrass TLG. It was a reference to this post by TLG (carrying on a spat with Stan that has covered endless threads and many years) that you commented on.
The whole point is that TLG did not make it up - someone else did. It is the exact opposite of what you claimed.
By the way, I live in Sheffield and know dozens of United season ticket holders - some with very close links to senior club staff. I have asked around and haven't found anyone who heard anything to back your claims about a £1m loan fee for Madine. Wages yes, but not a loan fee. Madine's signing was not popular - as an ex-Wednesdayite - so most Blades fans were paying particular attention to what Wilder and the club said at the time.
Right, firstly you obviously haven't spoken to the two people I know who are season ticket holders there. Secondly, why don't you use your contacts, seeing nobody believes that I have any, and find out how much they paid to City as a promotion ‘bonus’ as part of the loan agreement and also how much of his wages they paid . You appear to be denying that these amounts were ever paid, whereas Neil Warnock has already confirmed that his wages were fully paid and also that there was a large incentive amount, included in the loan deal, which they had to pay out when they went up to the Prem with Madine in the squad, which they did. The fact that people are actually denying that any such payments were made, in a loan deal from a Premier League club to a Championship club, is totally ridiculous. They have no idea and have not provided any information to back their opinion up, whereas I have been given information by the people I know and seen the evidence from Neil Warnock to the contrary. PS. I am not a liar, never have been and am getting pretty pissed off with the attitude of several people on here, who are the biggest bunch of liars and hypocrites that I have ever come across.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Why would 2 random season ticket holders have inside info? Why blindly believe them?Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Because I am related to them through my wife, know them pretty well and believe them. Why would they make it up ? Not everyone is a pathological liar, like certain other people on this board. PS. They aren't random to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
I didn't mention anyone else. I am talking to you and nobody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
I understand they are family to you, but in the scheme of all things SU they are just 2 random season ticket holders, why would they have any info from inside the club? And there I was thinking that only on **** they had ITK fans.
OK. Because they take an interest in their club. This is what I have been told - As Jon1959 said there was a furore when Madines signing was announced due to his Sheff Wed connections and the fact that Madine had said in the past that he hated Sheff Utd. People took a particular interest and tried to discredit his signing (sound familiar?). There was lots of discussion around it and the supporters club got interested. People wanted to know what fees had been paid but the clubs initially kept it quiet. Whether they held meetings with the club hierarchy I don't know but information was passed around. That's it and it was later confirmed by Warnock and other media releases that money had changed hands, which many fans up there weren't too happy about apparently. Our own supporters club often releases information about things going on between them , the manager and directors, so it is not that unusual.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Nobody has ever made this claim. Literally nobody.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
I see you are now claiming that Neil Warnock said there was "a large incentive amount included in the loan deal, which they had to pay out when they went up to the Prem with Madine in the squad."
What Warnock actually said (according to the link you provided) was: "Financially it’s very good for us, everything is fully paid up and there are incentives for them going up as well."
He didn't mention a "large incentive amount". And, somewhat unsurprisingly, he didn't mention a seven-figure loan fee either.
To recap, your initial claim (made on this board on 14/10/2019) read as follows: "We received a reported seven figure loan fee for Madine from Sheffield United last season plus a seven figure bonus for him when Sheffield Utd got promotion."
You repeated this claim on 01/09/2021 when you said: "Sheffield United did pay a large loan fee for Madine plus a bonus when they went up."
On neither occasion did you mention Madine's wages. None of us have ever denied that Sheffield United paid some, most or all of Madine's wages during his 2019 loan spell. I certainly haven't. All of us know that's how loan deals work - even Stockholm Stan. Nobody believes a club in the Premier League would give a club in the Championship a player for five months while continuing to pay all of his wages. Professional football clubs don't work that way. We all know that.
You appear to have changed your mind considerably since October 2019 regarding the Madine loan deal and have recently declared that the "reported seven figure loan fee" was instead an "undisclosed sum" that has "never been released publicly." You've also claimed the £1 million-plus 'large loan fee' you conjured up out of thin air actually comprised of Madine's wages, a loan fee and a promotion bonus, which you'd previously suggested was worth £1 million or more in its own right.
In a nutshell, you've made a fool of yourself.
So they know because they've told you but you don't know how they know. OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Mr nit picking pedantic strikes again. You have always denied that any loan fees of any type changed hands and been unable to back that up with any evidence whatsoever. Also, you seem to think that any incentive element of a loan deal is not part of any agreed loan fee, which is ridiculous. You also seem to think that Premier League clubs loan players to Championship clubs for nothing - also ridiculous, as shown by the fact we paid over a million pounds to Liverpool for Wilson.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
You just automatically disagree with anything anyone not on your approved list of posters says and forensically dissect their posts, twisting their words and meanings in a vain effort to look clever. You make a fool of yourself daily and have been rumbled by not just me. No doubt your minions will now jump on the band wagon and wade in. I really don't care any more.
Yes. Well worked out. I believe them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
You should ask them how they know, would be handy to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
It's genuinely difficult to know where to start with this, but I have an idea - let's do it really slowly. One question at a time:Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
On 14/10/2019, you stated the following: "We (Cardiff City) received a reported seven figure loan fee for Madine from Sheffield United last season plus a seven figure bonus for him when Sheffield Utd got promotion."
Do you believe the alleged loan fee was reported?
"We (Cardiff City) received a reported seven figure loan fee for Madine from Sheffield United last season plus a seven figure bonus for him when Sheffield Utd got promotion." (dml1954, 14/10/2019)Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
These are words which are extremely difficult to twist.
Think I pretty much explained it in a fair amount of detail in my previous post.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Firstly, in the interests of fairness, please could you provide the link for the thread that you say I posted in on October 14th 2019. Just so that I can check that you haven't made it up and if I did say it, see what context it was in. Also, seeing that you are disputing what you say I said, please provide your evidence that City didn't receive a seven figure loan fee or a seven figure loan bonus fee for Madine. Or if you cant provide said evidence, do you just feel it in your water that we didn't get them, like blue lewj. I have already provided my evidence that we did receive the payments and you have provided nothing and been wriggling and squirming ever since.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?441136-Cornelius
There you go.
The word ‘reported’ is important here as you may have a different definition to me but OK, now give me your evidence and links showing that we didn't get large loan fees for Madine and that Sheffield didn't pay all his wages. Confirmation from either club, manager or media reports would be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I have no evidence I can provide that a ‘reported seven figure loan fee’ and a ‘seven figure bonus’ wasn’t paid by Sheffield United to Cardiff City due to the fact that these alleged fees have never been mentioned anywhere by anyone other than you. Therefore, it is impossible for me to provide links to reports which never existed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
As for Madine’s wages, I have never disputed that Sheffield United paid all of them during his time on loan there. I neither know nor care what percentage of his wages they paid, but I would expect the percentage to be significant, as is the case in most loans of a similar nature.
I’m fascinated to hear what your definition of the word ‘reported’ is, especially as you have subsequently claimed that details of this loan deal were ‘undisclosed’.
So basically you can say anything you want, and it will always be true because nobody will be able to find evidence to claim it isn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Odds stacked in your favour there aren't they. Surprise.
Why don't you show evidence backing up your true claim, that would obviously be much easier and save a few pages of needles arguing to boot.
No. The club took out new loans so that Tan’s loans could be reduced.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
What I seem to have missed is who told dml's relatives that there was a loan fee for Madine? Was it from Wilder himself. Maybe the board.
It is one thing having an interest in your club but another having information that nobody else seems to be able to find?
You can add me to the list of another person who can't disprove it either. I'm not sure that's how this kind of thing works though. Making stuff up and then asking people to disprove it 😄
It is a critical time for dml.
If he doesn't prove this then he takes up his place on the throne as resident King Bull$hitter.