Either him or the club said a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
These things don't just pass over, he would have had MH issues before and after the statement made a while back ck as well.
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Either him or the club said a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
These things don't just pass over, he would have had MH issues before and after the statement made a while back ck as well.
He said so himself a couple of years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
A player get in the wrong side of Neil Warnock? Or Lee Johnson? Shock horror!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
Looking back to his low period, Tomlin recalled the start of last season when he was out of favour at promoted Cardiff but unable to secure a move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
He said: “The transfer window had shut, the loan window had shut, I couldn't go anywhere. I found it difficult to find purpose.
“Everything that had happened in previous years, I had probably not dealt with properly and it just exploded.
“As you get older you mature and think more and I started focusing on worst case scenarios. For example after football, what do you do then? And life in general, over-thinking everything took its toll on me.
“You always have bad days in football but to think the sort of things I was thinking at the time, it was obviously a lot deeper than that than your average bad day.
“I was sitting in bed at 2am, 3am with the worst thoughts … about hanging myself, slitting my wrists, sitting there crying. I'd have the tablets in my hand.“
Anyone who has suffered mental health problems can totally relate to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
Well to be fair, it’s not just them two is it.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
But on them two, Warnock has arguably the best football league managerial record in the game and Johnson (for all the stuff about him) currently manages the side top of the league and in the last 16 of the League Cup…
The similarities between him and Gascoigne are clear as day.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
He does need some help because I can see him going the same way if he isn’t careful.
Both players easily the most naturally gifted players in all the teams they’ve played in, but unable to handle it.
You are joking right?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
What the **** has records got to do with it? We have more than enough experience of Warnock go know he falls out with players easily and has his favourites. His favourites get treated very well and he’s a horrible **** to those who fall out of favour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
He couldn’t have fallen out with Karanka that badly - he signed him for Forest.
A great player when fit and wanting to play football, he was in the top % in the EFL in that aspect, could change a game in a blink of a eye and made it look so easy
a real shame though he had his fitness issues, now when he came back from his injury he really was a fat bloke, something like you see waddling down the road from having a afternoon session down the pub, it was a disgrace, I know he was injured, but the club would have seen this happening and told him to watch what he ate, he made the decision to eat what he liked and way too much of it, which to me is very unprofessional
was it a coincidence that when his contract was up for renewal he seemed to get his head right and stay fit and slim, as son as the contract was signed he put the weight back on, this wasn't just at our club either, its been a pattern to his career
but when fit and slim he would have been the 1st player on the team sheet at most EFL teams
£19k to £20k a year? I wish:hehe: £400 a week:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
You've posted that, after claiming "it can't be all those managers fault" without actually adding 2 and 2 together and getting 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
Could it *shock horror* be something to do with his mental health the way he applies himself to his career??
"injured" "waddled"Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Bloke had mental health issues.
The ignorance on this board is ****ing staggering.
he was Injured at the end of the season, it was his groin from memory, he tore is again when he came back too soon if I remember correctlyQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
he looked like someone waddling down the road, he put on a lot of weight, I guess through not training and not eating well
good luck to the lad, I hope he sorts his mental health issues out, I really do
Yes, I think that is correct for a League club. His contract would have to have been cancelled before the last transfer window to be able to sign as a free agent before January. He'll have to wait until January. I'm not sure what the rules are for non League or overseas clubs though.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
I still don't really know why we signed Tomlin in the first place. He's the antithesis of a Warnock player.
That being said, we wouldn't have got anywhere near the play-offs in 2019/20 without him. He was properly fit and playing superbly before he did his MCL.
As a free agent, can't he get a new club tomorrow?Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
A moderator as well. **** me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Got to look beyond his fitness if he has hidden issues, yes he may have been overweight and it looks unprofessional as a pro but surely we need to look at the reason why before passing comment? Nothing against matt who is obviously a decent fella from history, know he's taken time to message me in the past so I wasn't meaning to be harsh to the fella, got carried away with other posters as it was getting to me tbh because people seem to be taking the easy route to pass comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I wrote out another message about my own personal situation but I've deleted it as I started to ramble, but mental health puts you in some situations a stronger minded person may deal with better and things don't end up escalating. But it's never simple.
Spot on mate, some of the replies here... **** me. Given this place has an average age of about 74 I'm not surprised to see the poor attitude towards mental health.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
@ 20k it works out at £80k / game or £14.60 per secondQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
The problem is that he has never been a ‘great player’. Great players play well regularly and in top flight football. He did neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
A lot has been written about Tomlin here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz1927
Irrespective of all his issues, I still want to know how a professional footballer can end up in this shape when under contract:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...tweet-20325782
At 20k a year, wouldn’t 80k equate to four games in four years? Or am I missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
A talent who regrettably never fulfilled his potential on the pitch, I loved watching Lee on his day. I wish him well and hope he finds peace in his next venture.
Regarding the contracts given to him by the club, its a reasonable question to ask whether a properly run football club would have allowed this situation to develop; 57 appearances in over 4 years for an expensive asset tells its own story.
Unique Sports Management, seemingly Neil Warnock’s favourite agency for some reason, have run rings around the Cardiff City ‘transfer committee’ with the various contracts, loans and pay-offs. And good luck to them, as others have said it’s not fair to blame the player for the incompetence of the club.
20 k a week obviouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
thats not including the original transfer fee, any bonuses earned or any loan fees we received for him, or any wages contributions we had for him when he was on loanQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
"ignoring his mental health"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
I thought something was amiss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
The thing is, if he didn't post quite so many Instagram stories from his holidays in Dubai or TikToks dancing in front of his Lamborghini then people might have more sympathy for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
But you would never understand that :wave:
He certainly doesn't help himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
Exactly - that is just what I am saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Roughly 221 weeks @ 20k per week, £4.4m wages / 56 = £80k / gameQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
+ the 3 million odd transfer fee + any signing fee + any bonusesQuote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
The problem is you can't separate mental health from physical health.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
Of course those of us with robust mental health would of course, when injured, be watching our diet and doing what we could to stay in shape.
For people suffering with depression they have zero motivation to get to work, keep fit and usually over eat. And if your metabolism is such, then you pile on the pounds.
I've lived with someone like that. It's not their fault.
The failure of Tomlin is that he didn't get the right professional help and support and successive clubs have also not provided it.
What threw me was 20k a year was stated not 20k a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
How do you know that successive clubs didn’t provide help. How do you know that Tomlin didn’t seek help? What information are you privy to that we don’t know?Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
I didn't realise you couldn't have mental health problems to go on holiday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
Social media is full of people posting their perfect lives, doesn't mean they are living a perfect life.
Well said. As a work colleague said “I’m on the sick from work , not life”Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior